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  1.  

    Lotusflower - yeah we fell from Goloka. Now we must go back. I cannot think of a more depressing thought. Anybody who preaches this is an idiot.

     

    Prabhupada is NO idiot!!

     

     

     

    Prabhupada - "We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krsna.

     

    Prabhupada - "Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that.

     

    Prabhupada - "This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains.

     

    Prabhupada - "Now he is in his original position.

     

    Prabhupada - "Our separation from Krsna is like that.

     

    Prabhupada - "We dream this body and so many relationships with other things.

     

    Prabhupada - "First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification.

     

    Prabhupada - "Even with Krsna desire for sense gratification is there.

     

    Prabhupada - "There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krsna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going.

     

    Prabhupada - "Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide.

     

    Prabhupada - "As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there.

     

    Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport"


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    I just spent six hours reading many of these letters, They are very, very revealing. Well presented, easy to read. Some are even marked highly confidential

     

     

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    Not that I have any exception with OP's post, it is just where is the reference in the folio? I mean to say what is the refence from. A letter? What letter? I would like to read it in it's entirety and context.

     

    Could someone please give person, date, place?

     

    Hare Krsna

     

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  4.  

    Dr. Ashok asked GM,

     

    "Are you ok?"

     

    GM (Jayapataka Swami) stretched out his tongue little longer asking to feed him more. Dr. Ashok with smile on his face said,

     

    "Hmmm! Good! Good!"

     

    At 10am HG Janmasthami Prabhu, the Chairman of MIHE visited GM. At

    12.30 in the afternoon when we were getting ready to feed lunch for GM, HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja came to visit GM. HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja said,

     

    "Maharaja Thank you for staying with us."

     

    GM replied,

     

    "Thank you!"

     

    Then GM started to speak more to maharaja but rest of the words could not be heard.

     

    The following is the summary of the conversation that took place between HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja (DMS) and GM after the speech valve was fixed. Conversation was noted by HG Revati Raman Prabhu.

     

    DMS: Maharaja, thank you for staying with us. I came directly from the airport to see you.

     

    JPS (Jayapataka Swami): Thank you for coming. How are you?

     

    DMS: I am doing fine, you are also doing fine.

     

    JPS: I don't know how long the Lord will keep me here.

     

    DMS: Your breathing is so nice like sankirtana, Mahaprabhu's sankirtana. Recover nicely and perfectly, no hurry.

     

    JPS: Nodded his head.

     

    DMS: You should come out fast and dance in front of Their Lordships Radha Madhava and Panca Tattva though no doubt you are already doing that in your heart. This is a best time for you to stay in Mayapur and write commentary on sastras.

     

    JPS: Any idea?

     

    DMS: Caitanya Bhagavata. You know Bengali, translate and comment according to modern people. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswathi Thakur's commentary is too technical and modern people do not understand. You should write in the line of Brihad Bhagavatamrta by Gopiparanadhana Prabhu. Till now I haven't read Caitanya Bhagavata, only Caitanya Caritamrta, the moment you complete I will read your Caitanya Bhagavata.

     

    JPS: How long you will stay?

     

    DMS: Four Days

    End of the conversation

     

    GM's speech valve was removed after the conversation. Reading reports like this may give a picture that GM is doing very well.

     

    But please keep in mind that GM is not out of danger hundred percent and he is gradually coming out of it.

     

    According to doctors, GM is in crucial point of recovery, coming out of the ventilator. He still has a long way to go for full recovery and by Lord Krishna's mercy he will acheive that.

     

    So please keep praying until GM recovers completely.

    Yours in the service of GM,

    JPS Servants

     

    Note: Certain part of the speech is not audible.

     

    JPS: 24hrs ...I can say a few words on this contraption. I can speak a few words on this contraption...

     

    RNS: You are making great progress!

     

    JPS: All by your mercy.

     

    RNS: All the doctors are amazed by the miracle how you are making progress.

    I think after a few days they can take all these machines off of you.

     

    JPS: I was literally leaving and lying ...I was sleeping... it's all your good association.

     

    RNS: I have been feeling so much of separation from your association, Maharaja.

     

    JPS: I want to stand up. I want to try to stand up.

     

    EGD: You want to stand up?

     

    RNS: Maharaja, after few days you will dance, after few days you will stand up and after sometime you will be dancing.

     

    JPS: Doctor told you? ... the other doctor.. that doctor...

     

    EGD: Ya, doctor said you will be able to walk. Walking no problem he said.

     

    BHD: Doctor told today to Gopal Krsna Maharaja that you will become a very, very normal person. Don't worry.

     

    JPS: I have so much pain. I have to lye flat or I can walk?

     

    EGD: He said you can walk.

     

    JPS: ....

     

    BHD: If we press do you feel much better?

     

    BPS: Guru Maharaja, can you move your legs?

     

    BHD: Can you move your legs Guru Maharaja, little bit? We want to see whether you can move your legs.

     

    JPS: Leg is flat.... otherwise i can walk.

     

    BHD: You will be alright, Guru Maharaja. Don't worry, you will be very much alright. In two days you will come to temple.

     

    JPS: I go to Juhu. When I go to Mayapur? Am I in Juhu or in Chowpatty?

     

    BHD: We are in the Hindhuja hospital ICU.

     

    EGD: You are going to be very soon out of the ICU the doctor said may be in one day or a two. One or two days may be you will be out of the ICU, Guru Maharaja. Bhakti Purushottam Maharaja and Radhanath Maharaja they came to take you to Mayapur very soon.

     

    JPS: ...I couldn't hear.

     

    BHD: He was telling, that Bhakti Purushottam Maharaja and Radhanath Maharaja after few days they will take you to Mayapur.

     

    JPS: I want to extend...

     

    BHD: You want to take it off? Is it alright?

     

    JPS: How is breathing?

     

    RNS: Your breathing is excellent. Everything is very good. We are all happy to see that you are recovering.

     

    BHD: Maharaja you just tell all Vrndavana things, you prayed there and the devotees.. Radhanatha Maharaja is saying something, please listen.

     

    RNS: We were in Vrndavana for almost 3 weeks. We had 4000 devotees from different parts of the world on our yatra and we dedicated the yatra to you.

    Every lecture we began by speaking about you and we had all the 4000 devoteees praying for your recovery and for your good health.

     

    JPS: I don't deserve it.

     

    RNS: Every holy place that we went, we were also at Govardhan parikrama, we were all praying for you. All thousands and thousands of devotees we were in Vrndavan meditating on our love and gratitude to you and praying to Sri Radha and Krsna to help you to recover.

     

    All over the world the devotees are united in doing kirtan and praying for your good health. It was beautiful before each evening lecture all the 4000 devotees were together and we would began by hearing an update and the report of your health condition and then we would speak about you and then we would all take some minutes in prayer for you and kirtan for you.

     

    It is beautiful to see how much devotees love you from their heart and hearts with such deep gratitude for your compassion and a lifetime of devotional service. Even non devotee doctors and nurses are developing faith by seeing how miraculuosly Krsna is healing you.

     

    Even in this condition you are preaching, uniting devotees hearts, giving people faith. There is nothing that can be done to keep you from being an empowered preacher. You're seriously affecting devotees hearts.

     

    It brings us joy to see this. Especially brings us joy to see how miraculuosly you are recovering.

     

    RNS and devotees: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

     

    JPS: Hare Krsna. I want my walking stick.

     

    Devotees: Walking stick. We have. We have.

     

    JPS: I have.

     

    EGD: I have in the temple. Tomorrow we will bring your walking stick for you.

     

    JPS: ...I am very tired.

     

    BHD: You can take rest now. We will go and you take rest, Guru Maharaja. We will sit outside, you take rest. You want to take rest now. Right?

     

    JPS: I want association.

     

    Devotees: want association.

     

    BHD: Maharaja will be here. We are all very happy to see your progress. So nicely you are improving. Guru Maharaja, do you feel hurt... Are you feeling hurt?

     

    Devotees: ya, little bit.

     

    JPS: ...you sit down and I walk.

     

    Devotees: you will walk. (laughter)

     

    BHD: As soon as you come out of the bed you will walk. Right now you have to take rest and you will walk when you come out of the bed. It will take sometime. Just wait for a day. Be patient.

     

    RNS: .Previously they put him on a chair...

     

    JPS: Have a lift in Mayapur?

     

    BPS: We are preparing the lift. Construction going on there. The lift construction is going on in Mayapur.

     

    JPS: Good to cough?

     

    Devotees: Ya, good to cough.

     

    BHD: Doctor said that if you are coughing it is good for you.

     

    RNS: It is auspicious.

     

    BHD: Sign of improvement.

     

    RNS: It is auspicious.

     

    BHD: Guru Maharaja here is Ananda Tirtha.

     

    ATD: Arguments are going on. ...arguments started yesterday.

     

    JPS: In the Higher Court?

     

    ATD: No, in the Lower Court only, still. December 2nd week we should be getting a judgement, hopefully in our favor. Once you will be alright, you can come back.

     

    JPS: I think it is ....

     

    RNS: ....will come back to see you after sometime. Please rest.

     

    ATD: So many devotees are praying for you Guru Maharaja. Because we want you back.

     

    JPS: I heard that you're ... (unclear)

    Ekanath Gaura: It's okay Guru Maharaja...We can finish this conversation later....

     

    Wow, I read this and then hear this again and again, it is all so moving that even a cold hearted nonsense like me can even sheed a tear.

     

    What in the hell are we all doing in this selfish material world, with our modern tehnological comforts and the Holleywood movie favorites, we are like dumb sheep that follow other nonsense sheep to the slaughter house


  5.  

    Dr. Ashok asked GM,

     

    "Are you ok?"

     

    GM (Jayapataka Swami) stretched out his tongue little longer asking to feed him more. Dr. Ashok with smile on his face said,

     

    "Hmmm! Good! Good!"

     

    At 10am HG Janmasthami Prabhu, the Chairman of MIHE visited GM. At

    12.30 in the afternoon when we were getting ready to feed lunch for GM, HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja came to visit GM. HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja said,

     

    "Maharaja Thank you for staying with us."

     

    GM replied,

     

    "Thank you!"

     

    Then GM started to speak more to maharaja but rest of the words could not be heard.

     

    The following is the summary of the conversation that took place between HH Devamrita Swami Maharaja (DMS) and GM after the speech valve was fixed. Conversation was noted by HG Revati Raman Prabhu.

     

    DMS: Maharaja, thank you for staying with us. I came directly from the airport to see you.

     

    JPS (Jayapataka Swami): Thank you for coming. How are you?

     

    DMS: I am doing fine, you are also doing fine.

     

    JPS: I don't know how long the Lord will keep me here.

     

    DMS: Your breathing is so nice like sankirtana, Mahaprabhu's sankirtana. Recover nicely and perfectly, no hurry.

     

    JPS: Nodded his head.

     

    DMS: You should come out fast and dance in front of Their Lordships Radha Madhava and Panca Tattva though no doubt you are already doing that in your heart. This is a best time for you to stay in Mayapur and write commentary on sastras.

     

    JPS: Any idea?

     

    DMS: Caitanya Bhagavata. You know Bengali, translate and comment according to modern people. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswathi Thakur's commentary is too technical and modern people do not understand. You should write in the line of Brihad Bhagavatamrta by Gopiparanadhana Prabhu. Till now I haven't read Caitanya Bhagavata, only Caitanya Caritamrta, the moment you complete I will read your Caitanya Bhagavata.

     

    JPS: How long you will stay?

     

    DMS: Four Days

    End of the conversation

     

    GM's speech valve was removed after the conversation. Reading reports like this may give a picture that GM is doing very well.

     

    But please keep in mind that GM is not out of danger hundred percent and he is gradually coming out of it.

     

    According to doctors, GM is in crucial point of recovery, coming out of the ventilator. He still has a long way to go for full recovery and by Lord Krishna's mercy he will acheive that.

     

    So please keep praying until GM recovers completely.

    Yours in the service of GM,

    JPS Servants

     

    Note: Certain part of the speech is not audible.

     

    JPS: 24hrs ...I can say a few words on this contraption. I can speak a few words on this contraption...

     

    RNS: You are making great progress!

     

    JPS: All by your mercy.

     

    RNS: All the doctors are amazed by the miracle how you are making progress.

    I think after a few days they can take all these machines off of you.

     

    JPS: I was literally leaving and lying ...I was sleeping... it's all your good association.

     

    RNS: I have been feeling so much of separation from your association, Maharaja.

     

    JPS: I want to stand up. I want to try to stand up.

     

    EGD: You want to stand up?

     

    RNS: Maharaja, after few days you will dance, after few days you will stand up and after sometime you will be dancing.

     

    JPS: Doctor told you? ... the other doctor.. that doctor...

     

    EGD: Ya, doctor said you will be able to walk. Walking no problem he said.

     

    BHD: Doctor told today to Gopal Krsna Maharaja that you will become a very, very normal person. Don't worry.

     

    JPS: I have so much pain. I have to lye flat or I can walk?

     

    EGD: He said you can walk.

     

    JPS: ....

     

    BHD: If we press do you feel much better?

     

    BPS: Guru Maharaja, can you move your legs?

     

    BHD: Can you move your legs Guru Maharaja, little bit? We want to see whether you can move your legs.

     

    JPS: Leg is flat.... otherwise i can walk.

     

    BHD: You will be alright, Guru Maharaja. Don't worry, you will be very much alright. In two days you will come to temple.

     

    JPS: I go to Juhu. When I go to Mayapur? Am I in Juhu or in Chowpatty?

     

    BHD: We are in the Hindhuja hospital ICU.

     

    EGD: You are going to be very soon out of the ICU the doctor said may be in one day or a two. One or two days may be you will be out of the ICU, Guru Maharaja. Bhakti Purushottam Maharaja and Radhanath Maharaja they came to take you to Mayapur very soon.

     

    JPS: ...I couldn't hear.

     

    BHD: He was telling, that Bhakti Purushottam Maharaja and Radhanath Maharaja after few days they will take you to Mayapur.

     

    JPS: I want to extend...

     

    BHD: You want to take it off? Is it alright?

     

    JPS: How is breathing?

     

    RNS: Your breathing is excellent. Everything is very good. We are all happy to see that you are recovering.

     

    BHD: Maharaja you just tell all Vrndavana things, you prayed there and the devotees.. Radhanatha Maharaja is saying something, please listen.

     

    RNS: We were in Vrndavana for almost 3 weeks. We had 4000 devotees from different parts of the world on our yatra and we dedicated the yatra to you.

    Every lecture we began by speaking about you and we had all the 4000 devoteees praying for your recovery and for your good health.

     

    JPS: I don't deserve it.

     

    RNS: Every holy place that we went, we were also at Govardhan parikrama, we were all praying for you. All thousands and thousands of devotees we were in Vrndavan meditating on our love and gratitude to you and praying to Sri Radha and Krsna to help you to recover.

     

    All over the world the devotees are united in doing kirtan and praying for your good health. It was beautiful before each evening lecture all the 4000 devotees were together and we would began by hearing an update and the report of your health condition and then we would speak about you and then we would all take some minutes in prayer for you and kirtan for you.

     

    It is beautiful to see how much devotees love you from their heart and hearts with such deep gratitude for your compassion and a lifetime of devotional service. Even non devotee doctors and nurses are developing faith by seeing how miraculuosly Krsna is healing you.

     

    Even in this condition you are preaching, uniting devotees hearts, giving people faith. There is nothing that can be done to keep you from being an empowered preacher. You're seriously affecting devotees hearts.

     

    It brings us joy to see this. Especially brings us joy to see how miraculuosly you are recovering.

     

    RNS and devotees: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

     

    JPS: Hare Krsna. I want my walking stick.

     

    Devotees: Walking stick. We have. We have.

     

    JPS: I have.

     

    EGD: I have in the temple. Tomorrow we will bring your walking stick for you.

     

    JPS: ...I am very tired.

     

    BHD: You can take rest now. We will go and you take rest, Guru Maharaja. We will sit outside, you take rest. You want to take rest now. Right?

     

    JPS: I want association.

     

    Devotees: want association.

     

    BHD: Maharaja will be here. We are all very happy to see your progress. So nicely you are improving. Guru Maharaja, do you feel hurt... Are you feeling hurt?

     

    Devotees: ya, little bit.

     

    JPS: ...you sit down and I walk.

     

    Devotees: you will walk. (laughter)

     

    BHD: As soon as you come out of the bed you will walk. Right now you have to take rest and you will walk when you come out of the bed. It will take sometime. Just wait for a day. Be patient.

     

    RNS: .Previously they put him on a chair...

     

    JPS: Have a lift in Mayapur?

     

    BPS: We are preparing the lift. Construction going on there. The lift construction is going on in Mayapur.

     

    JPS: Good to cough?

     

    Devotees: Ya, good to cough.

     

    BHD: Doctor said that if you are coughing it is good for you.

     

    RNS: It is auspicious.

     

    BHD: Sign of improvement.

     

    RNS: It is auspicious.

     

    BHD: Guru Maharaja here is Ananda Tirtha.

     

    ATD: Arguments are going on. ...arguments started yesterday.

     

    JPS: In the Higher Court?

     

    ATD: No, in the Lower Court only, still. December 2nd week we should be getting a judgement, hopefully in our favor. Once you will be alright, you can come back.

     

    JPS: I think it is ....

     

    RNS: ....will come back to see you after sometime. Please rest.

     

    ATD: So many devotees are praying for you Guru Maharaja. Because we want you back.

     

    JPS: I heard that you're ... (unclear)

    Ekanath Gaura: It's okay Guru Maharaja...We can finish this conversation later....

     

    Wow, I read this and then hear this again and again, it is all so moving that even a cold hearted nonsense like me can even sheed a tear.

     

    What in the hell are we all doing in this selfish material world, with our modern tehnological comforts and the Holleywood movie favorites , we are like dumb sheep that follow other nonsense sheep to the slaughter house


  6. Quote:

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Sarva gattah

    Stop being arrogent and blinded by 'so called faith' It's a fact man walked on Moon!! But could not enter the subtle heavenly ethreal atmosphere there in their gross biological body (vessel) and it's material extentions (Apollo 11-16)

    Fortunately the Soviets didn't think of the gag first. They could have filmed their own fake Moon landings and really embarrassed the free world.

    faking a Moon rock well enough to hoodwink an international army of scientists might be more difficult than the Manhattan Project. "It would be easier to just go to the Moon and get one,"

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    Explained here is the evidence and facts that man went to the moon and clearly proves Srila Prabhupada's understanding was based on misinformation

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

     

    Quote:

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    Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact.

    Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers.

     

    Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium.

     

    Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation.

     

    Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard.

    As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented.

     

    There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees, out of fear of being pschologically bullied, do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


  7.  

    Stop being arrogent and blinded by 'so called faith' It's a fact man walked on Moon!! But could not enter the subtle heavenly ethreal atmosphere there in their gross biological body (vessel) and it's material extentions (Apollo 11-16)

     

     

    Fortunately the Soviets didn't think of the gag first. They could have filmed their own fake Moon landings and really embarrassed the free world.

     

    faking a Moon rock well enough to hoodwink an international army of scientists might be more difficult than the Manhattan Project. "It would be easier to just go to the Moon and get one,"

     

    Explained here is the evidence and facts that man went to the moon and clearly proves Srila Prabhupada's understanding was based on misinformation

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

     

    Quote:

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    Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact.

    Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers.

     

    Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium.

     

    Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation.

     

    Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard.

    As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented.

     

    There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees, out of fear of being pschologically bullied, do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version.

     

     

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  8. :smash: TV's 'Mythbusters' Prove The Claim The Moon Landing was a Hoax as nonsense

    For those who don't know, ISKCON members foolishly believe man did not go to the moon

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo&feature=related

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkJ0qD42Fo

     

    default.jpg MythBusters: Moon Landing Hoax Myth

     

    default.jpg pixel-vfl73.gif Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters)

     

    default.jpg pixel-vfl73.gif Mythbusters Moonwalk hoax

     

    default.jpg pixel-vfl73.gifMythbusters Moon flag waving hoax

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTYCz4ft8yw&feature=related

     

    I have sent a email to Mythbusters to tackle ISKCON's claim the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun:rolleyes:

     

    Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact.

    Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers. Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium. Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation. Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard.

    As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented. There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version.

     


  9. :smash: TV's 'Mythbusters' Prove The Claim The Moon Landing was a Hoax as nonsense

    For those who don't know, ISKCON members foolishly believe man did not go to the moon

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo&feature=related

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkJ0qD42Fo

     

    default.jpg MythBusters: Moon Landing Hoax Myth

     

    default.jpg pixel-vfl73.gif Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters)

     

    default.jpg pixel-vfl73.gif Mythbusters Moonwalk hoax

     

    default.jpg

    Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax

     

    I have sent a email to Mythbusters to tackle ISKCON's claim the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun:rolleyes:

     

     

    Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact.

    Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers. Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium. Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation. Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard.

    As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented. There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version.

     


  10.  

    Not a hoax but certainly a colossal waste of time.

     

    Agree, only a few dim-wits now think landing on the moon was a hoax although, I find the following interesting

     

     

     

    Light of the Bhāgavata

    by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

     

     

    The moon, or Candraloka, is one of the four important places of residence for the demigods. Beyond Mānasa Lake is Sumeru Mountain.

     

    On the eastern side of this mountain is the planet Devadhānī, where Indra resides. On the southern side is the planet known as Saṁyamanī, where Yamarāja resides.

     

    On the western side is the planet known as Nimlocanī, the residence of Vāyu, the demigod who controls the wind. And on the northern side of the mountain is the moon, which is also known as Vibhāvarī.

     

    All these various planets are within the universe in which our planet is situated. Persons who are too materialistic always engage in sense enjoyment. Such persons worship the material demigods and goddesses to fulfill their material desires.

     

    They are fond of performing many yajñas to propitiate the various demigods and the forefathers in heaven. Such persons are automatically promoted to the moon, where they enjoy soma, a celestial beverage.

     

    The moon is too cold for the inhabitants of this earth, and therefore ordinary persons who want to go there with earthly bodies are attempting to do so in vain. Merely seeing the moon from a distance cannot enable one to understand the real situation of the moon.

     

    One has to cross Mānasa Lake and then Sumeru Mountain, and only then can one trace out the orbit of the moon. Besides that, no ordinary man is allowed to enter that planet.

     

    Even those admitted there after death must have performed the prescribed duties to satisfy the pitās and devas. Yet even they are sent back to earth after a fixed duration of life-on the moon.

     

    Men with developed consciousness, therefore, do not waste time making excursions, real or imaginary, to the moon. Such intelligent persons do not endeavor to achieve temporary sense enjoyment. Rather, they apply their conserved energy for the sake of spiritual cultivation.

     

    They discharge religious duties for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, and not for personal sense enjoyment.

     

    The signs of such exceptional devotees of the Lord are that they are unattached to material enjoyment, contented, pure in heart, attached to devotional service, free from affection for temporary things, and devoid of false ego.

     

    According to Vedic injunctions, such great personalities ultimately attain the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead predominates and where there is no death, no birth, no old age, and no disease.

     

    On the way to these spiritual planets, such personalities pass through the sun line called arcir-mārga. And on the way they can see all the planets between here and the spiritual world.


  11. Interesting what you wrote, I found the following in the same Amazing Book

     

     

     

    Light of the Bhāgavata

    by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

     

     

    The moon, or Candraloka, is one of the four important places of residence for the demigods. Beyond Mānasa Lake is Sumeru Mountain.

     

    On the eastern side of this mountain is the planet Devadhānī, where Indra resides. On the southern side is the planet known as Saṁyamanī, where Yamarāja resides.

     

    On the western side is the planet known as Nimlocanī, the residence of Vāyu, the demigod who controls the wind. And on the northern side of the mountain is the moon, which is also known as Vibhāvarī.

     

    All these various planets are within the universe in which our planet is situated. Persons who are too materialistic always engage in sense enjoyment. Such persons worship the material demigods and goddesses to fulfill their material desires.

     

    They are fond of performing many yajñas to propitiate the various demigods and the forefathers in heaven. Such persons are automatically promoted to the moon, where they enjoy soma, a celestial beverage.

     

    The moon is too cold for the inhabitants of this earth, and therefore ordinary persons who want to go there with earthly bodies are attempting to do so in vain. Merely seeing the moon from a distance cannot enable one to understand the real situation of the moon.

     

    One has to cross Mānasa Lake and then Sumeru Mountain, and only then can one trace out the orbit of the moon. Besides that, no ordinary man is allowed to enter that planet.

     

    Even those admitted there after death must have performed the prescribed duties to satisfy the pitās and devas. Yet even they are sent back to earth after a fixed duration of life-on the moon.

     

    Men with developed consciousness, therefore, do not waste time making excursions, real or imaginary, to the moon. Such intelligent persons do not endeavor to achieve temporary sense enjoyment. Rather, they apply their conserved energy for the sake of spiritual cultivation.

     

    They discharge religious duties for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, and not for personal sense enjoyment.

     

    The signs of such exceptional devotees of the Lord are that they are unattached to material enjoyment, contented, pure in heart, attached to devotional service, free from affection for temporary things, and devoid of false ego.

     

    According to Vedic injunctions, such great personalities ultimately attain the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead predominates and where there is no death, no birth, no old age, and no disease.

     

    On the way to these spiritual planets, such personalities pass through the sun line called arcir-mārga. And on the way they can see all the planets between here and the spiritual world.


  12.  

    Does The Spiritual Book 'The Great Transcendental Adventure' hide the true events of History after 1977 with a 'covered-up'?

     

    BY: KURMA DASA

     

     

    Nov 09, AUSTRALIA (SUN) —
    Recently one of Devamrita Swami's disciples handed me a copy of Kurma the famous chef's book, entitled "The Great Transcendental Adventure." I read it and was very surprised at what was left out of the book.

     

     

    According to the book it was written in 1999, which isn't that long ago, but certainly a long time after Bhavananda was the Zonal Acarya of Australia. What is surprising is that the book concludes with the end of Srila Prabhupada's manifested lila, or at the point where Srila Prabhupada left this Earthly realm.

     

     

    What seems to have happened is that "The Great Transcendental Adventure" had no significance after Srila Prabhupada's departure.

     

     

    Bhavananda only gets one mention in the book, and the mention is about both he and Jayapataka going to Vrindaban for Srila Prabhupada's passing.

     

     

    After everything that went on here in Australasia throughout the 1980's with Bhavananda and his supporters, which Kurma dasa the famous chef was a very, very significant part of, Bhavananda only got one very small mention in Kurma prabhu's book!

     

     

    Go figure?

     

    Kurma Dasa (not the chef)

     

     

    It's still a bit early to write the understanding and history of ISKCON after 1977. Dovotees are still very spiritually immature.


  13. Krsna Prasadam can be used as the centrepiece of an endless number of opportunities for preaching Krsna Consciousness, both in the temple and the home.

    Nama hatta means that you transform your home and family into an ashrama wherein Krsna becomes the centre and the Holy Name of the Lord is chanted regularly, Krsna prasadam is offered, and the Deities are served.

    Dovetailing prasadam distribution with a home preaching program is easy and enjoyable, and allows the whole family to participate in spreading Krsna Consciousness. Whatever your personal circumstances, you can creatively adapt some level of preaching around your own program of offering and taking Krsna prasadam.

    Many pages in the Prasadam section of the website describe recipes -- and whole menus -- for feasts that celebrate Vaisnava holy days. Inviting guests to festival events is a great way to share Krsna culture. But secular and Christian holidays can also provide an opportunity for prasadam preaching.

    Devotees can find it quite difficult to deal with family holidays that are surcharged with passionate activity, meat eating and imbibing. You can sometimes find middle ground by offering to host these get-togethers, providing the main meal which can be made up of Krsna prasadam creatively adapted to suit the holiday.

    While curry isn’t likely to please many palates on Thanksgiving, there are many meat substitute products available today that can be offered, and endless vegetarian side dishes to please even the fussiest eaters. While describing the various vegetarian dishes, you can emphasize the merits of Krsna Consciousness without offending others.

    Indian food and culture in itself provides a unique opportunity for preaching. Dinner parties or other get-togethers that feature delicious banquets of traditional Vedic preparations create an excellent environment for sharing Krsna Consciousness.

    This is also a great way to expose newcomers -- many of whom might be hesitant about being ‘preached to’ - to Krsna culture. Simply by offering guests a detailed description of each of the foodstuffs, a lot of preaching can take place. Guests love to hear the stories Sri Krsna/Caitanya pastimes associated with various dishes, or the temples where preparations were made famous.

    We like to use the travelogue approach to prasadam preaching by inviting guests to a Krsna prasadam feast that’s focused on a particular regional Indian cuisine. No matter what area of India you choose, Krsna's Name, Fame and Pastimes can be found there! We've found this format to be a particularly successful way to expose business associates to the philosophy. Even guests who express little interest in Krsna Consciousness can’t help but be attracted to the nectar prasadam.

    Try giving them a repeat experience by hosting several different regional feast get-togethers. Not only will they look forward to the next sumptuous meal, their minds will slowly get attuned to the pleasures of hearing about Krsna as part of the eating celebration. Reading aloud from Krsna Book, or reading about Lord Caitanya’s prasadam pastimes, is a nice tie-in to the food theme, and gives guests a great dose of nectar.

    End the evening with a rousing game of India Mission, which lets you organize various spiritual events across a beautiful map of India. "

    Cooking classes are another excellent way to simultaneously share Krsna Conscious culture and distribute prasadam to new folks. A great trend has unfolded with the upsurge of natural and organic supermarkets.

    Many of these markets have a small kitchen built-in where gourmet and whole foods cooking classes are held. Try signing-up to teach a Krsna prasadam cooking class. No one but the devotees are trained up to teach the remarkable art of cooking to please Lord Krsna! You’ll have a rapt audience.

    Prabhupada: “.... If halava is made nicely, actually it is best. So prepare all these things. Offer to Krsna and devotees, and at last, you take. Don't take first. Give all, as much as you like, then you take. Susukham kartum avyayam. It is such a nice movement. It is simply pleasing. To execute, it is simply pleasing. And avyayam. Whatever you do is permanent. Whatever little service you have given. It will never be lost. Avyayam.

    Therefore Narada Muni says, bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi. Even if he's not fully matured and falls down, kva vabhadram abhud amusya kim. Where is loss? Whatever he has done, that is permanent. Because that will grow.

    If the seed is permanently sown, then it will naturally grow. It may take some time, but it will grow. So, he's not loser. If he's little careful, then it will grow. Mali hana sei bija kare aropana, sravana-kirtana-jale karaye... Then the creeper goes, grows, and at last takes shelter of Krsna. These are described in the Caitanya-caritamrta.

    Vipramukhya: When we prepare a feast we should give and give and give, and when no one wants any more then... Prabhupada: Up until he comes to this point. Not only this point, but up to this point. Eat as much as you like. We are not miser. You eat. As much you want I shall supply. But don't waste. Eat. Don't waste.

    Hari-sauri: This morning you were saying that fasting is very good. (laughter)

    Harikesa: I was just thinking about that. Prabhupada: No. Not prasadam. I never said. No, those who want to eat... Fasting... One who has not developed Krsna consciousness, for him fasting. And one who takes pleasure, "Oh, it is Krsna's pleasure, or Krsna's food. I'll take." This is the idea. So we are not devotees, therefore we should first fast.

    And those who are devotees, they'll take as much as they like. I was telling fasting because I am not a devotee. (laughs) For me fasting is good. If I eat more--atyaharah. Atyaharah prayasas ca, sadbhir bhaktir pranasyati.

    Hari-sauri: If you can appreciate krsna-prasadam without filling up to the neck...

    Prabhupada: Yes. It is for the devotee. A devotee can eat. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu was eating. Govinda, his servant complained,

    "Sir, so many things are lying here and everyone asks, 'Whether Caitanya Mahaprabhu has taken my preparation.' 'Oh yes, He has taken.' So I have to speak so many lies. You don't take. What can I do?" He said, "All right, bring it. Bring it."

    So He began to eat for one hundred men's foodstuff stocked. He finished. Then He asked, "Any more?" So, now only the bags are there. Everything finished. (laughs) So He ate. Everything, one after another, one after another, one after another. "All right. Bring, bring, bring." So He can eat. We cannot.”

    Srila Prabhupada Garden Conversation, 09-06-76Vrindaban


  14.  

    When in confusion, I recomend that you have a look at other translations:

     

    http://www.bhagavad-gita.org

    http://bhagavata.org/gita/contents.html

     

    The centre of the ISKCON movement has always been Sankirtan. Most temple activities the devotees are engaging in were originally taught personally to us by Srila Prabhupada, including Deity worship, which was very much his desire. Temple functions, that ISKCON devotees practice, can be found in books like the “Nectar of Devotion”, and other similar Vaishnava literatures, and are all authorized Vaishnava activities passed down to us by the previous acharyas.

    Jayadvaita Swami has warned that it is a danger to use the scripture to pull out one verse and base an entire bend to the philosophy based on one quote. Increasing the book distribution is wonderful. Reviving Harinam Street Sankirtan is also great news. Thinking oneself, while one does these activities, to be lower than a straw in the street, and more tolerant than a tree, and ready to offer all respect to others, is the ideal consciousness.

    Some Sankirtan book distributors in the past though considered themselves to be far superior devotees to all other devotees, based on taking some quotations they found out of context, while ignoring other equally important teachings. Then later this mentality developed further into feeling that the temple devotees (who did not go out on book distribution) were 2nd and even 3rd class devotees, compared to the book distributors themselves, and even treating them in this abusive way. One Sankirtan group coined the term “temple slug” to describe the devotees who served in the temple, or who worshiped the Deities. This had a devastating effect on many devotees.


  15.  

    Pusta Krishna Prabhu was Srila Prabhupadas personal servant in the mid 1970s, he answers this question -

     

    "OK. Now here it comes. I am amazed at how foolish and stupid I am, and I must say in our youth when we had Srila Prabhupad with us, we sometimes asked many foolish questions to Srila Prabhupad. Some of those morning walks…You may recall that decades ago there was a plane crash in the Andes Mountains of South America. Some of the dead human victims, due to the cold weather, became the only source of food for the few survivors. Hence, out of necessity, they turned to canabalism.

     

    So, you guessed it, some of us pressed Srila Prabhupad to give an answer to us regarding what he would do if placed in the same situation. We could have asked any number of questions about Bhagavat Dharma, etc. but numbskulls that we were, we pressed His Divine Grace for an answer. In my presence, I heard him say that if it were necessary to survive, he would also have partaken as the other survivors did.

     

    We all know that Lord Shiva drank an ocean of poison, that Sri Krishna as the Universal Form, Virata Purusa, devoured all the warriors on the battlefield of Kurushetra, sparing only the Pandavas. It is clear that vegetarianism is not the goal of Krishna consciousness. Rather, to serve Krishna favorably, one can offer vegetables (patram pushpam phalam) to the Lord for His pleasure. Krishna gives us these foods in the mode of goodness to prepare and offer, and to eat, for our benefit.

     

    His desire is our advancement in purification, so that we can return to the spiritual world, our eternal home.

     

    You gotta love it. We were young, enthusiastic fools, but Srila Prabhupad still did not chastise us over this question. He considered and gave the answer based on necessity of continuing to keep body and soul together for the service of Sri Guru and Krishna. We know from the Srimad Bhagavatam, jivo jivasya jivanam, one living being is the food for another living being.

     

    Only by offering with love and devotion to the Lord, does it become possible to take karma-free, His prasadam. We are thus not simply promoting vegetarianism, but rather, as you all know so well, Krishna consciousness.

    Please forgive me for bringing all of this up, but who knows how long we shall live, and when we have the experience of the transcendental judgement of Srila Prabhupad, share it.

     

    Sincerely and even embarrassed,

    Pusta Krishna das

     

    Copied from the article - CLICK HERE - Even if we have to eat meat

     

    The other two posts don't make any sense, at least I apreciate and UNDRSTAND Pusta Krishnas comments.


  16.  

    So you see calling someone a racist as being more gentle than calling someone a wolf in sheep's clothing?

     

    I would think Jayadvaita being a racist would be hard to prove. I certainly have no evidence that points that way. I doubt anyone else does either but who knows.

     

    The fact that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing is obvious by what has happened with Prabhupada's books under his watch. And if the above Sun article is correct it simply offers more proof. Trying to finalize the theft of Iskcon by removing Prabhupada's name being commonly sung for Iskcon's pranam prayers is so blatant as to be absolutely shameless.

     

    Of course wolves have long been inside Prabhupada's ISKCON attempting to devour the flock in the pusuit of their own self aggrandisment.

     

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA&feature=related


  17.  

    Well, I’m prepared to rest my speculative claim that God is ignorant. Perhaps he isn’t. If our soul is a part of God, it implies that our soul is not the whole of God. Hence, the soul’s ignorance. Thereby, all souls are part of God, so God may be ‘the sum of all souls’. If there isn’t any collective ignorance (i.e., all souls together know everything) but only the individual ignorance of single souls, then God is not ignorant. I’m only speculating again here.. ;)

     

    Kind regards, Bart

     

    Bart, I found this interesting reading and is very good good for expanding your thoughts on this subject -

     

    Click SB 7: The Science of God

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