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Prabhupada - "We dream this body and so many relationships with other things".

Prabhupada is NO idiot!!

Great souls will line up to take birth and when it's safe enough they will come. Properly build ISKCON and they will ALL come.

<HR style="COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message --> The letter was inspired by an discussion on this bus about our original possiton in Vaikuntha, in early 1972. The full story is here and how this letter was evebtually sent by Prabhupada <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: navbar_link -->The Hare Krishna Movement, The Positive Alternative <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Yeah, I like his writings too,

Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Sarva gattah Stop being arrogent and blinded by 'so called faith' It's a fact man walked on Moon!! But could not enter the subtle heavenly ethreal atmosphere there in their gross biological body (vessel) and it's material extentions (Apollo 11-16) Fortunately the Soviets didn't think of the gag first. They could have filmed their own fake Moon landings and really embarrassed the free world. faking a Moon rock well enough to hoodwink an international army of scientists might be more difficult than the Manhattan Project. "It would be easier to just go to the Moon and get one," </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> Explained here is the evidence and facts that man went to the moon and clearly proves Srila Prabhupada's understanding was based on misinformation http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0> Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact. Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers. Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium. Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation. Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard. As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented. There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees, out of fear of being pschologically bullied, do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Explained here is the evidence and facts that man went to the moon and clearly proves Srila Prabhupada's understanding was based on misinformation http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0> Srila Prabupada said many times that the Moon is further away than Sun in the linear sense, using that as his argument that lunar mission was a hoax. That is a fact. Even with a naked eye one can see (by observing the shadow pattern on the Moon when Sun and Moon are visible together) that this is not the case, let alone using any other calculation method known even to the ancient astronomers. Iskcon still does not dare to contradict Prabhupada on that issue, even as they attempt to build a Vedic planetarium. Srimad Bhagavatam does not say that Sun is closer to Earth than Moon in the linear sense. That was SP interpretation. Even the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta (which give correct distances to Sun and Moon) were not considered authoritative enough to reject Sp's statements in that regard. As to the flat world or Earth that is another misunderstanding and over-simplification. Many good devotees left the movement when these issues became public, mainly because of the dogmatic way in which they were presented. There was no room for argument to the contrary. To this very day many devotees, out of fear of being pschologically bullied, do not dare to question such things and repeat the same misconstrued version. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->

TV's 'Mythbusters' Prove The Claim The Moon Landing was a Hoax as nonsense For those who don't know, ISKCON members foolishly believe man did not go to the moon http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo&feature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkJ0qD42Fo MythBusters: Moon Landing Hoax Myth Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters) Mythbusters Moonwalk hoax Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTYCz4ft8yw&feature=related I have sent a email to Mythbusters to tackle ISKCON's claim the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun:rolleyes:

TV's 'Mythbusters' Prove The Claim The Moon Landing was a Hoax as nonsense For those who don't know, ISKCON members foolishly believe man did not go to the moon http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo&feature=related http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkJ0qD42Fo MythBusters: Moon Landing Hoax Myth Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters) Mythbusters Moonwalk hoax Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax I have sent a email to Mythbusters to tackle ISKCON's claim the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun:rolleyes:

Agree, only a few dim-wits now think landing on the moon was a hoax although, I find the following interesting Light of the Bhāgavata by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda The moon, or Candraloka, is one of the four important places of residence for the demigods. Beyond Mānasa Lake is Sumeru Mountain. On the eastern side of this mountain is the planet Devadhānī, where Indra resides. On the southern side is the planet known as Saṁyamanī, where Yamarāja resides. On the western side is the planet known as Nimlocanī, the residence of Vāyu, the demigod who controls the wind. And on the northern side of the mountain is the moon, which is also known as Vibhāvarī. All these various planets are within the universe in which our planet is situated. Persons who are too materialistic always engage in sense enjoyment. Such persons worship the material demigods and goddesses to fulfill their material desires. They are fond of performing many yajñas to propitiate the various demigods and the forefathers in heaven. Such persons are automatically promoted to the moon, where they enjoy soma, a celestial beverage. The moon is too cold for the inhabitants of this earth, and therefore ordinary persons who want to go there with earthly bodies are attempting to do so in vain. Merely seeing the moon from a distance cannot enable one to understand the real situation of the moon. One has to cross Mānasa Lake and then Sumeru Mountain, and only then can one trace out the orbit of the moon. Besides that, no ordinary man is allowed to enter that planet. Even those admitted there after death must have performed the prescribed duties to satisfy the pitās and devas. Yet even they are sent back to earth after a fixed duration of life-on the moon. Men with developed consciousness, therefore, do not waste time making excursions, real or imaginary, to the moon. Such intelligent persons do not endeavor to achieve temporary sense enjoyment. Rather, they apply their conserved energy for the sake of spiritual cultivation. They discharge religious duties for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, and not for personal sense enjoyment. The signs of such exceptional devotees of the Lord are that they are unattached to material enjoyment, contented, pure in heart, attached to devotional service, free from affection for temporary things, and devoid of false ego. According to Vedic injunctions, such great personalities ultimately attain the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead predominates and where there is no death, no birth, no old age, and no disease. On the way to these spiritual planets, such personalities pass through the sun line called arcir-mārga. And on the way they can see all the planets between here and the spiritual world.

Interesting what you wrote, I found the following in the same Amazing Book Light of the Bhāgavata by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda The moon, or Candraloka, is one of the four important places of residence for the demigods. Beyond Mānasa Lake is Sumeru Mountain. On the eastern side of this mountain is the planet Devadhānī, where Indra resides. On the southern side is the planet known as Saṁyamanī, where Yamarāja resides. On the western side is the planet known as Nimlocanī, the residence of Vāyu, the demigod who controls the wind. And on the northern side of the mountain is the moon, which is also known as Vibhāvarī. All these various planets are within the universe in which our planet is situated. Persons who are too materialistic always engage in sense enjoyment. Such persons worship the material demigods and goddesses to fulfill their material desires. They are fond of performing many yajñas to propitiate the various demigods and the forefathers in heaven. Such persons are automatically promoted to the moon, where they enjoy soma, a celestial beverage. The moon is too cold for the inhabitants of this earth, and therefore ordinary persons who want to go there with earthly bodies are attempting to do so in vain. Merely seeing the moon from a distance cannot enable one to understand the real situation of the moon. One has to cross Mānasa Lake and then Sumeru Mountain, and only then can one trace out the orbit of the moon. Besides that, no ordinary man is allowed to enter that planet. Even those admitted there after death must have performed the prescribed duties to satisfy the pitās and devas. Yet even they are sent back to earth after a fixed duration of life-on the moon. Men with developed consciousness, therefore, do not waste time making excursions, real or imaginary, to the moon. Such intelligent persons do not endeavor to achieve temporary sense enjoyment. Rather, they apply their conserved energy for the sake of spiritual cultivation. They discharge religious duties for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, and not for personal sense enjoyment. The signs of such exceptional devotees of the Lord are that they are unattached to material enjoyment, contented, pure in heart, attached to devotional service, free from affection for temporary things, and devoid of false ego. According to Vedic injunctions, such great personalities ultimately attain the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead predominates and where there is no death, no birth, no old age, and no disease. On the way to these spiritual planets, such personalities pass through the sun line called arcir-mārga. And on the way they can see all the planets between here and the spiritual world.

Does The Spiritual Book 'The Great Transcendental Adventure' hide the true events of History after 1977 with a 'covered-up'? BY: KURMA DASA Nov 09, AUSTRALIA (SUN) — Recently one of Devamrita Swami's disciples handed me a copy of Kurma the famous chef's book, entitled "The Great Transcendental Adventure." I read it and was very surprised at what was left out of the book. According to the book it was written in 1999, which isn't that long ago, but certainly a long time after Bhavananda was the Zonal Acarya of Australia. What is surprising is that the book concludes with the end of Srila Prabhupada's manifested lila, or at the point where Srila Prabhupada left this Earthly realm. What seems to have happened is that "The Great Transcendental Adventure" had no significance after Srila Prabhupada's departure. Bhavananda only gets one mention in the book, and the mention is about both he and Jayapataka going to Vrindaban for Srila Prabhupada's passing. After everything that went on here in Australasia throughout the 1980's with Bhavananda and his supporters, which Kurma dasa the famous chef was a very, very significant part of, Bhavananda only got one very small mention in Kurma prabhu's book! Go figure? Kurma Dasa (not the chef) It's still a bit early to write the understanding and history of ISKCON after 1977. Dovotees are still very spiritually immature.

Krsna Prasadam can be used as the centrepiece of an endless number of opportunities for preaching Krsna Consciousness, both in the temple and the home. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Nama hatta means that you transform your home and family into an ashrama wherein Krsna becomes the centre and the Holy Name of the Lord is chanted regularly, Krsna prasadam is offered, and the Deities are served. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Dovetailing prasadam distribution with a home preaching program is easy and enjoyable, and allows the whole family to participate in spreading Krsna Consciousness. Whatever your personal circumstances, you can creatively adapt some level of preaching around your own program of offering and taking Krsna prasadam. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many pages in the Prasadam section of the website describe recipes -- and whole menus -- for feasts that celebrate Vaisnava holy days. Inviting guests to festival events is a great way to share Krsna culture. But secular and Christian holidays can also provide an opportunity for prasadam preaching. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Devotees can find it quite difficult to deal with family holidays that are surcharged with passionate activity, meat eating and imbibing. You can sometimes find middle ground by offering to host these get-togethers, providing the main meal which can be made up of Krsna prasadam creatively adapted to suit the holiday. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> While curry isn’t likely to please many palates on Thanksgiving, there are many meat substitute products available today that can be offered, and endless vegetarian side dishes to please even the fussiest eaters. While describing the various vegetarian dishes, you can emphasize the merits of Krsna Consciousness without offending others. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Indian food and culture in itself provides a unique opportunity for preaching. Dinner parties or other get-togethers that feature delicious banquets of traditional Vedic preparations create an excellent environment for sharing Krsna Consciousness. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> This is also a great way to expose newcomers -- many of whom might be hesitant about being ‘preached to’ - to Krsna culture. Simply by offering guests a detailed description of each of the foodstuffs, a lot of preaching can take place. Guests love to hear the stories Sri Krsna/Caitanya pastimes associated with various dishes, or the temples where preparations were made famous. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We like to use the travelogue approach to prasadam preaching by inviting guests to a Krsna prasadam feast that’s focused on a particular regional Indian cuisine. No matter what area of India you choose, Krsna's Name, Fame and Pastimes can be found there! We've found this format to be a particularly successful way to expose business associates to the philosophy. Even guests who express little interest in Krsna Consciousness can’t help but be attracted to the nectar prasadam. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Try giving them a repeat experience by hosting several different regional feast get-togethers. Not only will they look forward to the next sumptuous meal, their minds will slowly get attuned to the pleasures of hearing about Krsna as part of the eating celebration. Reading aloud from Krsna Book, or reading about Lord Caitanya’s prasadam pastimes, is a nice tie-in to the food theme, and gives guests a great dose of nectar. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> End the evening with a rousing game of India Mission, which lets you organize various spiritual events across a beautiful map of India. " <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Cooking classes are another excellent way to simultaneously share Krsna Conscious culture and distribute prasadam to new folks. A great trend has unfolded with the upsurge of natural and organic supermarkets. <o:p></o:p> Many of these markets have a small kitchen built-in where gourmet and whole foods cooking classes are held. Try signing-up to teach a Krsna prasadam cooking class. No one but the devotees are trained up to teach the remarkable art of cooking to please Lord Krsna! You’ll have a rapt audience. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada: “.... If halava is made nicely, actually it is best. So prepare all these things. Offer to Krsna and devotees, and at last, you take. Don't take first. Give all, as much as you like, then you take. Susukham kartum avyayam. It is such a nice movement. It is simply pleasing. To execute, it is simply pleasing. And avyayam. Whatever you do is permanent. Whatever little service you have given. It will never be lost. Avyayam. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Therefore Narada Muni says, bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi. Even if he's not fully matured and falls down, kva vabhadram abhud amusya kim. Where is loss? Whatever he has done, that is permanent. Because that will grow. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If the seed is permanently sown, then it will naturally grow. It may take some time, but it will grow. So, he's not loser. If he's little careful, then it will grow. Mali hana sei bija kare aropana, sravana-kirtana-jale karaye... Then the creeper goes, grows, and at last takes shelter of Krsna. These are described in the Caitanya-caritamrta.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipramukhya: When we prepare a feast we should give and give and give, and when no one wants any more then... Prabhupada: Up until he comes to this point. Not only this point, but up to this point. Eat as much as you like. We are not miser. You eat. As much you want I shall supply. But don't waste. Eat. Don't waste.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Hari-sauri: This morning you were saying that fasting is very good. (laughter) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Harikesa: I was just thinking about that. Prabhupada: No. Not prasadam. I never said. No, those who want to eat... Fasting... One who has not developed Krsna consciousness, for him fasting. And one who takes pleasure, "Oh, it is Krsna's pleasure, or Krsna's food. I'll take." This is the idea. So we are not devotees, therefore we should first fast. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And those who are devotees, they'll take as much as they like. I was telling fasting because I am not a devotee. (laughs) For me fasting is good. If I eat more--atyaharah. Atyaharah prayasas ca, sadbhir bhaktir pranasyati.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Hari-sauri: If you can appreciate krsna-prasadam without filling up to the neck... <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada: Yes. It is for the devotee. A devotee can eat. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu was eating. Govinda, his servant complained, <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> "Sir, so many things are lying here and everyone asks, 'Whether Caitanya Mahaprabhu has taken my preparation.' 'Oh yes, He has taken.' So I have to speak so many lies. You don't take. What can I do?" He said, "All right, bring it. Bring it." <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So He began to eat for one hundred men's foodstuff stocked. He finished. Then He asked, "Any more?" So, now only the bags are there. Everything finished. (laughs) So He ate. Everything, one after another, one after another, one after another. "All right. Bring, bring, bring." So He can eat. We cannot.” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada Garden Conversation, 09-06-76Vrindaban <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

The centre of the ISKCON movement has always been Sankirtan. Most temple activities the devotees are engaging in were originally taught personally to us by Srila Prabhupada, including Deity worship, which was very much his desire. Temple functions, that ISKCON devotees practice, can be found in books like the “Nectar of Devotion”, and other similar Vaishnava literatures, and are all authorized Vaishnava activities passed down to us by the previous acharyas.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Jayadvaita Swami has warned that it is a danger to use the scripture to pull out one verse and base an entire bend to the philosophy based on one quote. Increasing the book distribution is wonderful. Reviving Harinam Street Sankirtan is also great news. Thinking oneself, while one does these activities, to be lower than a straw in the street, and more tolerant than a tree, and ready to offer all respect to others, is the ideal consciousness.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Some Sankirtan book distributors in the past though considered themselves to be far superior devotees to all other devotees, based on taking some quotations they found out of context, while ignoring other equally important teachings. Then later this mentality developed further into feeling that the temple devotees (who did not go out on book distribution) were 2nd and even 3rd class devotees, compared to the book distributors themselves, and even treating them in this abusive way. One Sankirtan group coined the term “temple slug” to describe the devotees who served in the temple, or who worshiped the Deities. This had a devastating effect on many devotees.

The other two posts don't make any sense, at least I apreciate and UNDRSTAND Pusta Krishnas comments.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA&feature=related

Bart, I found this interesting reading and is very good good for expanding your thoughts on this subject - Click SB 7: The Science of God