Ashok009

I am surprised that one thread is closed and ofcourse Dark Warrior opens another one.....if yur determination was as strong in pursuit of God as is in proving that you or what u believe in is right then ot would be a different story......as I had said in the last thread that your screen name defines you aptly....you are a very dark person in your thoughts ...and very closed.....

VERY INTERESTING WRITE UP, THE EXPLANATIONS SEEM TO BE VERY LOGICAL....IS THERE ANY MORE PROOF THAT THE PLACE WAS A HINDU TEMPLE......I ALSO READ SOMEWHERE THAT TAJ MAHAL IN AGRA WAS ALSO A TEMPLE CONVERTED AND THAT DURING INDIRA GANDHIS TIME THEY FOUND SOME MURTIS AND SHE ORDERED EVERYTHING TO BE SEALED. WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO KNOW THAT TRUTH. AFTER ALL WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY NOW. CAN ANYONE THROW SOME MORE LIGHT ON MECCA / KABBA. THANKS

DRUM ROLL PLEASE...........DRUM !! DRUM !! DRUM !!......CAUSE HERE IS THE CONCLUSION.......OH I AM CONFUSED .....BUT I WILL STILL TRY.......SO SHIV IS A JUNIOR GOD, VISHNU IS THE SENIOR GOD...AND SOMEWHERE THERE IS A PRINCIPLE GOD.....SO NOW WHAT IS NEXT...PRAY TO VISHNU ONLY.....OK I WILL DO THAT TOO........DOES THAT HELP.......U HAVE MANAGED TO CONVERT ME....... CAN U PLS TELL ME HOW DO I MANAGE TO MEET HIM

HA HA HA...WOOPTI DOOLE DOO.....THIS DISCUSSION MAKE MY HEAD SPIN..... IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WHO WILL JUSTIFY THIS DISCUSSION BASED ON PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OR THIS IS JUST BOOKISH MUMBO JUMBO..... DEAR DARK WARRIOR....THE DARKNESS SPREAD BY U IS ENGULFING EVERYONE.....U HAVE GRADUATED FROM DARK TO DARKER TO DARKEST NOW...

HA HA HA....SO U R ALIGINING HERE ......U GUYS ARE WORSE THAN THE INDIAN POLITICS.......PLS PLS SUPPORT ME..HA HA HA

GOING TO THE FOREST WILL NOT HELP AS THE TREES THERE WILL DRY UP LISTENING TO YOUR IGNORANT LOGIC, THE BEARD WONT GROWN AS IT WILL BE SCARED OF BEING FORCED TO LISTEN TO YOUR BANTER, SO JESUS AND SHIVA WIL NOT COME ANYWAY......EVEN IF THEY COULD COME ....... JESUS WOULD NOT COME AS HE IS STILL TRYING TO SETTLE THE DISPUTE BETWEEN CHRISTIANS ...AND SO FAR AS SHIVA IS CONCERENED HE IS ALSO BUSY TRYING TO SETTLE THE FUED BETWEEN HIM AND NARAYAN AND ALL OTHER GODS....ACTUALLY THEY ARE STILL FIGTING TO SEE WHO IS POWERFUL....AND SO FAR AS YOUR GETTING ELIGHTENED BY GOD ENTERING FROM YOUR SIDES ....WELL I GUESS HE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW HE ENTERS U ...CAUSE U MY FRIEND ARE CLOSED. STIIL NO PROOF .......

So U Still Cannot Prove Anything My Friend....bacause U Do Not Have Any Valid, Verifiable Proof....the Way U Wnat It.....scriptures Are Ways And Means They Are Not An End In Themselves.....they Are Merely Reference Guides......someones Own Experiences...or A Collection Of Experiences.....when U Have Had Your Own Experiences Then Come And Talk.......the Condition Is That They Have To Be Your Own ...something That U Have Felt, Seen Or Heard...trust Me When U Have Experienced That U Will Not Even Waste Your Time Reading This And That And Arguing All Over The Place Who Is Superior Or Who Is Supreme...

YES, U ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...TO WORSHIP GOD IN A FORMLESS WAY IS VERY DIFFCULT FOR A HUMAN MIND....ALSO THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND gOD....HE CAN TAKE ANY FORM HE WANTS TOO.....A GOD IN THE FORM THAT WE HUMANS CAN UNDERSTAND IS IN HIS FULLEST GLORY......IT IS LIKE OUR SPRITUAL SOUL IS NOTHING BUT EMPTINESS....THE VACCUM OF NOTHINGNESS......

IS THAT ALL U UNDERSTOOD......THAT WAS MORE OF A PUN...IF U CAN UNDERSATND A PUN IS .......NO ONE IS GREATER THAN GOD.....WHAT IS WITH U AND QUOTING ALL THESE TEXST...WE KNOW AND RESPECT THAT U KNOW IT ALL ......U HAVE READ ALL....U HAVE LEARNT THEM BY HEART....AND U CAN ARGUE TILL THE LAST DAY OF YOUR LIFE.....BUT PLEASE AGAIN...ONLY VALID QUOTES....AND THAT TOO THE ONES THAT CAN BE PROVED WITH ORIGIN AND AUTHENTICATION SHOULD BE PRESENTED.....NO PROOF ....NO DISCUSSION....

SO U DEAR DARK WARRIOR (WHAT A SCREEN NAME, ACTUALLY BEFITTING OF YOUR THOUGHTS - DARK AND WARRIOR LIKE ) ARE CAPABLE OF DISCUSSING VEDAS.....WELL LET ME SEE...SOMEONE LIKE YOU IS PROCLAIMING TO KNOW IT ALL.....HMMM...THAT MY FRIEND IS A STRETCH BY ANY IMAGINATION.......SO U KNOW ALL THE ALPHABETS, U KNOW HOW TO MAKE SENTENCES, U KNOW HOW TO READ AND WRITE, SO U HAVE EXPERIENCED AND UNDERSOOD SPRITUALITY.........BOOO HOOOO......I THINK YOU ARE GREATER THAN GOD HIMSELF...EVEN HE WOULD NOT ARUGUE THE WAY U DO......FIRST FIND OUT WHO WROTE THE VEDAS WHY THEY WERE WRITTEN... ONCE U HAVE THE ANSWER (AND PLEASE ONLY AUTHENTIC AND VERIFIABLE ANSWERS ONLY) THEN COME AND TALK HERE .... DONT SAY VEDA SAID THIS OR THIS SAID THAT....PROOF PLS....THE WAY U ASK FOR PROOF...U BE READY TO PROVE NOW......

Ranjeetmore u seem to know it all and all plausible explantions to this sorry discussion...i think u totally missed my point here .....everyone is asking for proof here on this discussion...some quote scriptures, which is someone elses thoughts and other quote other people....still someone else thoughts....none of your own experience......and dear friend god does not have any form....u think that an entity like god can be bound togther in form....can he be contained in any form....is there a form that will be enough for him........the answer is no......he is beyond form...he only manifests in forms that we understand and can relate to.......and by the way u can only feel God....or sense him through your own experience....u should talk about your experienec not what some one else tells u ....it is like tasting food in our mouth...same dish will evoke a different reaction to different people.....differenet level of readiness ....i think these simple dicsussions are too deep for people who do not have the depth and neither they have the willingness to dwell in deeper....god resides in all of us.....just need to feel him ,hear him and experinece him..........

MY HUMBLE QUESTION TO ALL THESE VERY VERY SMART, INTELLIGIENT, WELL READ PEOPLE - HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN GOD. CAUSE FOR U PEOPLE FEELING IS ALSO NOT ENOUGH AS THAT COULD BE MAYA, SO MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN GOD. AND IF ANYONE OF YOU HAS SEEN OR MEET HIM REGULARLY THEN PLEASE ASK HIM THE QUESTION WE ARE DEBATING ON. AND THEN LET US KNOW YOUR ANSWER. OH AND BY THE WAY I WANT PROOF OF YOUR MEETING HIM LIKE MAYBE A SIGNED NOTE FROM HIM OR MAYBE A PHOTO OR EVEN A STATEMENT FROM HIM TO SAY THAT HE MET YOU...BUT THEN AGAIN THAT STATEMENT WILL NOT HOLD GOOD AS IT SHOULD BE NOTARIZED....HMMMMM LET ME SEE.....NOTARY IS NOT ENOUGH EITHER THE JUDGE SHOULD SIGN THAT ON A COURT ORDER.....NOT ENOUGH FOR ME.......MAYBE THE CHIEF JUSTICE SHOULD COME AND VISIT ME IN MY HOME TO VALIDATE THE TRUTH....WELL LETS CUT TO THE CHASE....GOD SHOULD COME TO MY HOME, WELL I AM VERY BUSY SO PLS ASK HIM TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO COME AND SEE ME AND THEN HE SHOULD TELL ME WHAT HE TOLD U.....ONLY THEN WILL I BELIEVE......BUT THEN THE GOD WHO VISITS ME SHOULD PROVE THAT HE IS THE GREATEST AND THE TOP MOST GOD.....BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY CAN YOUR PEA SIZED BRIAN HANDLE THE LOGIC OF THE PARMATAMA WHO CREATED EVERYTHING.........I DOUBT THAT....THEN AGAIN IF U FEEL YOUR BRAIN IS OVERDEVELOPED PLEASE GET A CERTIFICATION FROM A WELL KNOW DOCTOR.................................

SO WHAT IS AN AUTHORIZED SOURCE ? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT A SOURCE IS AUTHORITY ON GOD, HOW THE HELL U KNOW THAT WHAT THE SOURCE WAS WRITING THE FACTS....HOW DO U KNOW THAT THE SOURCE WAS EITHER AS INTELLIGIENT OR AS STUPID AS U...HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE SOURCE HAS NOT BEEN MIQUOTED OVER THE YEARS...HOW DO U KNOW ALL THIS IN YOUR INSIGNIFICANT LIFE.....HOW DO U KNOW THAT SOMETING THAT HAPPENED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO FOUND ITS WAY NOT IN THE TEXTS BUT INTO SOMEONES HEART AND EXPERIENCES AND GOT PASSED ON FROM ONE GENERATION TO ANOTHER...THE PROBLEM I SEE ON THIS WEBSITE IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO DECISIEVLY KNOW IT ALL...THEY HAVE EXPEIENCED GOD, SPOKEN WITH HIM OR MAYBE CHATTED WITH HIM OVER A CUP OF TEA AND HE TOLD THEM ALL THIS...WHEN SOMEONE CAN CONFIRM THAT THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW OTHERWISE PLS FORGIVE US FROM YOUR STUPID POSTS AND QUOTES FROM ONE TEXT OR THE OTHER.........SO PLS WHEN U HAVE CHATTED WITH GOD OR EXCAHNGED SMS WITH HIM OR MET HIM IN A BAR OR OVER DINNER , THEN COME AND TELL ME OTHERWISE JUST SHUT UP.......

Hindus on this forum have proved to me that they are a bunch of blithering idiots, imagine how much time has been spent here on this forum on who is greater and who is right or wrong....none of these so called well read idiots really know anything....this text said this or the other text said that.......so how does anyone know that one text is real vs. the other...just cause a text is not mentioned 1000 years ago does not make is false or merely if a text is mentioned many times makes it real.....what is the end game here...who is greater....my dear friends when u question or even argue these things out u have already fallen into the pits of hell.....Shiv, Vishnu, Ram, Sakthi are all manifestations of the same origin...that origin is nirakar....has not been written in a tex but can be experienced yourself....i am sure if God was to come and meet one of the souls on this website in person you would question his authenticity....cause your brains overwork.....evrything has to go in that pea sized brain of yours and can never go through.....another thing that this discussion has proved to me is the reason why so many ofreign powers ruled India for centuries together....cause we are lke animals....fight and argue over everything and have no respect for anyone.....to think Vishnu is greater than Shiv or vice versa is committing a karma that will sure burn many people in hellll..rest assured.....one of the most important things in our religion is tolerance and respect for all......you can quote all what you want....you can quote all what you THINK you know but that does not change a simple fact......that god has to be experienced...u can experinece him through many forms....and that experience my friends can never be had from reading texts.....remember texts again whether written today or 10,000 years ago is someones thought process....u as indiviuals have capability to write such millions of text with a billion times more complexity....but that is not the objective...use thisenergy in you to guide u towards God...and he will come and touch u in some form or the other...he will manifest through somone or through some incident in your life...just to touch u....just to remind u that he is there and loves u .......but when u invent negativity like this stupid discussion u r invitingblack enerygy...so what will u say when u go to God on the day of your judgment....Shiva followers and Vishnu follwers will go to their Gods and say - God we arugued and fought over who is supreme.....God I argued and defened that u r supreme as compared to vishnu or to Shiv......and to that God will say - my son but after that did u try to expeince me thru Shiv or Vishnu...did u try to understand the essence of Shiv and Vishnu.....think people think....dont waste your time on this discussion...respect all.......tolerate all...bring simplicity in your sprituality,......dont indulge in these stupid questions as they have no end and no goal....decide for your self.......Jai Sri Ram

I WILL TRY TO LOOK FOR THE DETAILS. THERE IS A VERY FAMOUS YOGA TEACHER IN TANTRA IN ROMANIA. HE HAS A HUGE ASHRAM IN BUCAREST. IF YOU CAN JUST GOOGLE HIM AS YOGA TEACHER IN ROMANIA YOU CAN TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY AND THIS WILL HELP U AS YOU ARE IN EUROPE. HIS NAME IS GREG AND THEY HAVE A VERY NICE WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE IS WWW.TARACENTRE.COM

THANKS, I WILL WAIT RESPONSE FROM YOUR RESPECTED GURUJI.

YES, YOU ARE RIGHT...I CAN SAY THAT THIS IS MY RELIGION...BUT TO PEOPLE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THE RELIGION IT IS NOT USE EXPLAINING THESE THINGS...I STUDIED IN A SCHOOL RUN BY A SOCIETY OF JESUITS AND THEREFORE HAVE AN APPRECIATION OF CHRISTANITY .....RELIGION OR GODS IN NAY FORMS CAME IN TIMES WHEN CERIAN THINGS WERE RELEVANT...LIKE PEOPLE USED TO KILL ANIMLAS FOR FOOD......SOME PLACES IT WAS OKAY AND OTHERS IT WAS NOT... I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT ONE NEEDS TO HAVE PRINCIPLES IN LIFE OR RULES AS YOU HAVE SAID IT....I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT HINDUISM TAKE YOU TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL TOTALLY.....I HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT MYSELF.....RULES OR PRINCIPLES IS ONE THING BUT RIGIDITY IN THOSE RULES TO GET TO WEAR CERTAIN CLOTHES OR NOT WEAR OTHER CLOTHES IN MY HUMBLE OPINION IS IRRELEVANT.....ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW THAT DIFFERENT COLOURS GENERATE DIFFERENT VIBRATIONS....DIFFERENT FOODS ALSO DO GENERATE DIFFERENT VIBRATIONS......BUT FOLLOWING THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED IS THE KEY...FIRST THE BASICS....THEN THE REST...A VERY BASIC RULE...DONT LIE....HOW MANY OF US FOLLOW......NOT LYING IS A HUGER TERM......VAST LIKE AN OCEAN

FIRST THIS IS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ,SO PLEASE DO NOT FEEL OTHERWISE. I THINK WE BOTH AGREE ON MOST POINTS EXCEPT THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN RIGIDITY OF PROCESSES...HOW CAN I ATTAIN GOD WHO IS BEYOND A PROCESS WITH SUCH RIGIDITY....WE HAVE TO BE OPEN TO EXPERIENCE HIM IN ALL WAYS AND FORMS....AND OPENESS MEANS OPENESS IN THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS...NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DO WHAT WE WANT TO BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS THE ABILITY TO DISTNGUISH RIGHT FROM WRONG, GOOD FROM BAD AND FOLLOW THE INNER VOICE THAT GUIDES US...ALSO REMEMBER THAT GOD IS WITHIN US ALL AS WE ARE EXTENSIONS OF GOD HIMSELF....ON THE PEOPLE WHO EAT MEAT I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I USED TO EAT MEAT AND HAVE NOT EATEN MEAT NOW FOR 10 YEARS, I LIVE IN EUROPE AND FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GO OUT AS THERE ARE VERY FEW GOOD VEGETARIAN RESTURANTS. IF THE PEOPLE WHO EAT AND RELISH MEAT WERE TO GO TO A BUTCHER AND SEE HIM KIIL THE ANIMAL REST ASSURED 90% PEOPLE WILL STOP EATING MEAT. HERE PEOPLE ASK ME QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME - SO WHY DONT U EAT MEAT, IS IT YOUR RELIGION. THE QUESTION IS ALMOST LIKE AN INSULT BUT I HAVE LEARNT FROM THEIR IGNORANCE THAT I NEED NOT TO WORRY...SO I TELL THEM I DONT EAT MEAT CAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO ENJOY ANOTHER LIVING BEINGS PAIN...DESPITE ALL THIS THERE ARE PEOPLE I HAVE MET WHO WILL NOT LIE, VERY HARD AND STRONG ON PRINCIPLES, HELP PEOPLE IN NEED AND STAND BY WHAT IS RIGHT...THIS IS WHAT GOD IS ALL ABOUT....NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS......WE KNOW IT A BIT BETTER THAN MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO INDULGE IN THESE THINGS BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE US SUPERIOR OR THEM INFERIOR FOR I AM SURE MANY OF THEM HAVE REALIZED GOD IN THEIR OWN WAY...OR HAVE BEEN PUT ON THAT PATH OF PROGRESSION BY THE ALMIGHTY...JAI SRI RAM

WHAT IS PROHIBITION FOR YOU AND I MAYNOT BE PROHIBITION FOR ANOTHER RELIGION, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE PATH IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER....IT ALSO DOES NOT MEAN THAT BY EATING, SLEEPING AND WEARING ONE WAY WE WILL ATTAIN GOD AND A MUSLIM OR A CHRISTIAN WILL NOT...IT IS WHAT U FOLLOW IN LIFE THA IS IMPORTANT...WHY DONT WE EAT MEAT...WELL IT IS DUE TO THE VIBRATIONS OF THE ANIMAL WHO WE ARE KILLING THAT WILL PASS ON TO US...ALSO WE DO NOT WANT TO GIVE PAIN TO ANOTHER BEING...BUT WHAT IF WE DONT EAT MEAT BUT MISTREAT THAT SERVANT WHO WORKS FOR US...OR GIVE LEFT OVERS TO THE MAID WHO COMES TO WORK AT HOME...OR LOOK AT ANOTHER PERSON WITH NEGATIVE THOUGHTS....IT IS NOT WHAT THIS BODY DOES BUT EVEN THE THOUGHTS THAT WE CREATE IN OUR MINDS THAT IS AS IMPORTANT...I HAVE SEEN AND MET MANY PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS WHO EAT MEAT, DRINK AND INDULGE IN WHAT WE ARE PROHIBITED....SOME OF THEM ARE BETTER THAN US AS THEY MIGHT INDULGE IN THESE BUT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE PURE...THEY MENA NO HARM TO NAYONE...NOT EVEN WITH THEIR THOUGHTS....NOW THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT WHAT U R SAYING IS WRONG...BUT TO SAY THAT IF WE FOLLOW THE FOOD, CLOTHES, COLOURS AND OTHER PROCESSES THAT WE WILL FIND GOD AND THE ONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW WILL NOT....THAT MY FRIEND IS NOT RIGHT....IT IS NOT ONLY WHAT THIS BODY DOES BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE THOUGHTS THAT GO THROUGH IT THAT MATTERS MOST........

My Dear Friend I Am Deeply Impressed By Your Depth Of Division Within Your Logic, What Makes U Think That God Is Realized Only By One And Not The Other....or That Gita Belongs Only To Hindu Or A Sect Of Hindus Or Someones Interpretation Only.......all Gurus Are Respectable....all Sprituality Is Respectable......

GOD NEVER TELLS U WHAT COLOURS TO WEAR OR NOT TO WEAR, SPRITUALITY IS NOT BOUND BY PROCESSES, ALTHOUGH PROCESSES CAN BRING YOU CLOSER TO SPRITUALITY BUT THEY ARE NOT ALL INCLUSIVE...WHAT MATTERS IS SIMPLICITY AND PURITY.....WHAT WE WEAR AND WHAT WE EAT IF THAT WAS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE THEN GOD HELP US ALL...GOD IS BEYON HISTORY, BEYOND PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.......WHY DONT PEOPLE JUST FOLLOW THE INNER VOICE AND LET IT GUIDE THEM, BUT NO WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS, UNDERSTAND EVERY LOGIC AND QUESTION THINGS ...AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS....IT IS BYE BYE TIME...ONE CHAPTER IN THE BOOK OF LIVES IS OVER....ANOTHER ONE TO START BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT U WROTE IN YOUR LAST CHAPTER......REMEMBER THINGS LIKE COLOURS ETC WERE ALL SYMBOLIC AND NEVER MEANT TO BE FOLLOWED LITERALLY.........DIFFERENT FORMS OF GOD, SOME IN WHITE, SOME IN BLUE, YELLOW, AND EVEN BLACK....ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE SAME ORIGIN...VARIATIONS OF THE SAME SOURCE.....

JAPA OF GAYATRI MANTRA OR MAHAMRITUNJAY MANTRA.....TRY DONING SIMPLE HAVAN AT HOME EVERYDAY....WILL HELP CLEANSE YOUR AURA....AND YOUR ENERGY FIELDS WILL ALSO IMPROVE.....GO FOR A PILGRIM WHERE EVER U WANT TO...SPEND A FEW DAYS THERE....

IF YOU DONT MIND ASKING YOU, WHAY ARE YO LOOKING TO LIVE IN AN ASHRAM, THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD ASHRAMS IN HARIDWAR AND AROUND THAT AREA, BABA RAMDEV AT HARIDWAR AND KANKHAL AREA HAS ASHRAM. U PAY ONCE AND ENTER THE ASRAM AND CAN LIVE THERE AS LONG AS YOU LIVE IN THIS LIFE.

I GUESSS KRISHAN HAD 16,000 WIVES OR LOVERS SO WE COULD NOT SQUEEZE ALL THE 16,000 IN ONE PICTURE :) RADHA SIGNIFIES PURITY IN LOVE AND DEVOTION......IF YOUR LITTLE BRAIN CAN UNDERSTAND THAT... IF IT CANNOT THEN GO TO CLASS ONE AND START FROM THERE.....WILL TAKE YOU MANY LIFETIMES TO UNDERSTAND THIS....BUT THE ONE GOOD THING U HAVE IS THAT YOU ARE INQUISITIVE....SO KEEP GOING AND KEEP ASKING....WHEN U R READY U WILL HAVE THE ANSWER......TILL THEN i SIGN OFF FROM THIS THREAD NOW.....

Very Nicely Said......very Simple And True