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Hahaha Same here.

So, basically, what started out as a Tantric Bhakti practice later became a sense-enjoyment group. That's sad. Might I ask how Gaudiya Vaishnavism was ever degraded? IDK much about Gaudiya history from Lord Chaitanya's disappearance to now. The Sankrit term is Panchamakara, but it is usually just called 'The Five Ms' in the west (b/c each thing starts w/ an 'M'). There's: Madya (wine) Mamsa (meat) Matsya (fish) Mudra (a type of alcohol made from parched grain) Maithuna (sexual intercourse) However, when reading things like this, one must remember that there are two Tantric paths in Hinduism: Vamachara and Dakshinachara. Vamachara Tantrics practice each of the Panchamakara (or Five Ms) literally, while Dakshinachara Tantrics follow them symbolically, or don't practice them at all, but just look for what the divine metaphor could be in each (e.g.- wine representing intoxication in God consciousness, intercourse representing the divine union of Shiva-Shakti or Vishnu-Lakshmi, etc...).

Rather interesting. So, do you think their following of the 'Five M's' was symbolic rather than literal? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm rather interested in them!

So they were really just bhaktas who were more interested in Purusha (spirit) than Prakriti (material nature)?

It's absolutely beautiful, Bija Prabhu. You should go into writing!

There are scholars they try to paint Lord Chaitanya as Sahajiya? Hmmm... I wonder how much they really even know about the Vaishnava Sahajiya. I don't think anyone's ever done a real, in-depth inquiry into the topic. That'd be interesting. I mean, obviously it was a Tantric sect, so they used the 'Five M's' to get in contact with God, but I wonder if they did it more symbolically or literally. I've heard they were looked down on by other Vaishnava Sampradayas, and so had to worship and practice their rituals in secret. Well, if Jayadeva Goswami and Chandidas were both Vaishnava Sahajiyas, then there can't be too much bad about the group like some people say, since so much beauty came out of them How could He reject such beautiful works of devotion? That's fine. In asking questions, everyone (so far just you and me) learns

How beautiful Did you write it?

I think they were a Tantric group who tried to imitate the Rasa Lila of Krishna (at least, that's what I've heard), but I'm not exactly sure. At the very least, I know they were (are?) extremely devoted to Srimati Radharani and Lord Krishna though... so I can definitely respect that about them So, do they (if Vaishnava Sahajiya still exists) try to find God in the same way that the Rabindranatha Tagore poem describes? By taking all material experience and trying to find the spiritual in it?

What a lovely pastime I think I was led to Sri Sri Radha-Krishna by Kali Ma, as well. But, was he also a member of the Vaishnava Sahajiya?

What was it, what was the point of it, was it popular, and was Chandidas really it's founder? Thanks, as always

But the people the Pandavas fought at Kurukshetra certainly weren't innocent. Not to mention that they tried to compromise with the Kauravas numerous times. But, yes, money is Bush's god.

Khal Bhairo is Kala Bhairava... He is Lord Shiva! This 'swami' is just a swindler and nothing else! Besides that, Khal Bhairo is just the way Kala Bhairava is pronounced in Trinidad. It's not like it takes on a different meaning when pronounced "Kala Bhairava" vs. "Khal Bhairo"... he's a real fool.

How do you know what Vaishnavas do in charity? Doesn't it go against the spirit of charity and the spirit of humility to give even the smallest bit and then go out and tell everyone about it?

Yea, it is like that Jai Nitai-Gauranga means Praise be unto Lord Nityananda (Nitai) and Lord Chaitanya (Gauranga). They are the two saints (I consider Them incarnations) who first set off the Krishna devotional movement in Bengal and Bangladesh. Radhey-Radhey! is calling out to Radha (Krishna's consort) in the invocative form. It's like begging Her to grant you divine realization.

Hahahahaha

The worst part (or maybe it's the most amusing) is that if you mentioned Mira, he probably wouldn't even know who She was!

I agree. If you look at his website, he hardly even mentions God or His incarnations.

What's even wrong with that? Many Hindu saints have been so ecstatic during the singing or bhajans or repetition of mantras that their hair stands on end and they go into a cold sweat before dancing and singing for the Lord! This 'swami' is a real fool who knows nothing of devotion or the Rasa involved.

Oh please Even if Lord Shiva's incarnation as Khal Bhairo were a devil (which, of course, isn't the case), I hardly think He'd be able to 'possess' ppl just by the direction they sleep in.

Oh! I'm so sorry... I feel a little embarassed! 'Lila' means 'Play'. It's basically saying that although the Lord may appear to have hardships and good times as well, it's really all just a play on the stage of the world as He is really always blissful within Himself. It's a bit of a message for the individual soul as well.

Indeed. Krishna Lila is one of the most spiritually uplifting of the Lord's many pastimes

Hahaha Yay! I was kind of scared it wasn't going to come (I ordered the same mala b/c I saw it on one of your earlier posts and really liked it). One time it took like 3 months for me to get a statue of Kali Ma. But She ended up coming, so it all worked out okay At first I thought I was going to get ripped off!

Hahaha You crack me up! In fact, you make me laugh so often, that I must add you to the list of people I am eternally indebted to... esp. on Audarya, where sometimes things need to be joked about every now and then

I don't think the mass slaughter of innocent people is ever a divine act.

That's cool. I really admire Jesus' teachings and message. He was a great moral and religious teacher, and I'd even go as far as saying he was probably an avatar of some sort.