guliaditya

With the help of Yoga sperm count can be generated.It would be advisable to consult an expert yoga teacher.With the change in diet also this problem can be cured.

All the best.

Pranaam

Thanks Aditya ji,

 

But I think I need more extensive help...if u people can provide me with names and addresses of authentic people who can remove such evil baadhaas(I mean some one who is genune and not doing for laalach of money). Please consider this matter as urgent as already I have wasted 5 years of my life on this... Also I dont know how I can learn hanuman chaalisa and naaarayana kavach..if any one can provide me the mantras for the same it will be of much help...please send to pratapsarma@gmail.com

 

 

thanks

 

Appolonius

You can get Narayana Kavach cassette/CD from any music shop.U can get Narayana kavach from any book store which keeps religious books.

Just meditate on Lord Narayana & start reciting Narayana Kavach.Keep Narayana Kavach book with you always.

I dont have any clue abot any person who cures all these.

Pranaam

Narayana Kavach from Srimad Bhagavatam will help you to get rid of all these problems.No evil effect can be there when a person recites Narayana Kavach.Also you can recite Sloka no 36, Chapter 11 of Bhagavad Gita.

May Sreeman Narayana protect you from all the evil effects.

Pranaam

You call Bhagavatam as pramana. In Bhagavatam, it is written that devas called lord Shiva as supreme. You interpret it to mean that Vishnu dwelling within Shiva is supreme.

In the same Bhagavatam Lord Shiva says that he doesn't know Lord Narayana.How it is possible ??? Krishna tells in Gita that nobody knows HIM but he know everybody.Devas in their capacity are calling Lord Shiva as supreme.Lord Shiva knows his position very well & in his position he considers Lord Narayana as supreme.Hence reconciliation is a must.Just by reading 2-3 sentences we can't say that Lord Shiva is also supreme.

There is no truth greater than Lord Narayana.

Anyway keep on debating.

Pranaam.

Not just one way. Adi Sankara and Sayana take one approach, Sri Ramanujar adopts another approach and Madhva takes yet another entirely different approach. And all of them end up with the same result, that Sri Hari is Supreme.

This is the problem.Non acceptance of scriptures, great acharyas leads to confusion.Lord Narayana is supreme & worship HIM only with full faith & devotion is the conclusion of all the scriptures.Where is the point of debate??

Let us all put an end to this debate & rather discuss divya lilla of Sreeman Narayana.

Pranaam

If he is supreme then why he cheated.

 

It is very difficult to understand his lilla.Even Lord Shiva & Lord Brahma can't understand then what to tell about other jivas.

 

If he is supreme then he is worshiped by both "rakshas and devata"

 

Prahlad Maharaj,Bali Maharaj,etc were great devotees of Lord Narayana. They were born to Rakshas family.

 

One head of Brahmaji was cut by Shiva and it shows the supermacy of Shiva

How it showed supremacy?? Pls clarify.

Krishna defeated Shiva in banasura fight which proves that Lord Narayana is supreme.

Lord Narayana is the source of all the devatas, rakshas, human beings, animals etc.. How can they be equated to Lord Narayana??I dont understand why there is so much confusion?? In every one or other thread this topic is going on.

All scriptures,acharyas/saints have revealed that Lord Narayana is supreme & HE alone should be worshipped then where is the confusion?? The problem lies in non acceptance of scriptures,literatures of great devotees.

Pranaam

sita-ram, radha-krishna, laxmi-vishnu but why "Shiv - Shakti"

because Shiv is supreme and his opposite power is Shakti

 

" vishnu is treated as a cheater by "rakshas" but not Shiva"

"Shiva drank the poison when everybody was afraid included vishnu"

"Shiva is worshiped by everybody no matter he is rakshas or devta"

"In Mahabharat muni vyas says to Ashwathama that both Nar (arjun) and Narayana (krishan) have power from Lord Shiva so they are invinsible only Shiva can defeat them" (this is asked by Ashwathama when his Brahmastra has no effect over them)

 

Deside yourself who is supreme.

Lord Narayana is supreme personality.No one equal to or greater than Lord Narayana.

Pranaam

Respected Amlesh,

As per Ramcharitmanas Lord Rama wanted to install Shiva linga as Lord Shiva was very dear to him.

I accept with Dark warriorji as far as praman are concerned.Divya Prabandham written by great Alvars or literature of other great devotees can't be quoted for praman as it is a work of devotion.

As stated in Mahabharata "If there is contradiction between Shruti,Itihaas & purana then Shruti should be taken as pramaan.Similarly if there is a contradiction between Itihaas & purana then Itihaas should be taken as praman.But in all the case shruti should be considered".

Pranaam

It is my humble request not to drag Goswami Tulsidasji & his devotional work "Ramcharitamanas" in this debate.It is not logical also to quote from Ramcharitamanas.

Pranaam

Respected Avinash/Ganeshprasad,

Lord Narayana is the supreme personality which I think u both also accept.Lord Shiva & Lord Brahma are both covered under the maya.

This divine illusion of Mine,consisting of the three modes of the external energy, certainly is difficult to overcome, but those who surrender unto me,they only are able to surmount this illusory energy.(7.14)

From this it is crystal clear that only when we surrender unto Sreeman Narayana we get liberated.

Hope u all have read Ghantakarna chapter. It is from Harivansh Purana of Mahabharata. He was a great devotee of Lord Shiva & wanted liberation.Lord Shiva advised him to surrender unto the feet of Lord Vishnu as he is the only who can grant liberation.

Hence it would not be wise to claim that Lord Shiva is supreme.

Dear All,

Today is Ramanujacharya's birthday.

He was the Chief exponent of the Vishishtadvaita <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">school</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Vedanta</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> and a great social reformer. "If I can bring deliverance to so many, I do not mind being condemned to hell," he said, and spread his spiritual message to even the lowliest of classes of people. He established the Yatiraja Math and the Cheluvanarayanaswami temple at Melkote in Karnataka, and also renovated many ancient temples. He wrote many philosophical works and preached the oneness of mankind.

The worshippers of Vishnu are 'Vaishnavas'. They devoutly worship Sri Rama and Sri Krishna, the incarnations of Vishnu. 'Sri' is Lakshmi. The devotees worship Mother Lakshmi and through her they try to propitiate Lord Vishnu. These devotees are the Srivaishnavas and they follow the tenets of Vishishtadvaita.

It was the Alwars, the Vaishnava devotees of Tamilnadu, who widely popularised the Srivaishnava religion. They lived between the sixth and the ninth centuries of the Christian era. They were twelve in number. They did not have any caste distinctions. These Vaishnava devotees were drawn

from all castes of the Hindu religion. Today all of them are worshipped by the Srivaishnavas.The tradition of the Acharyas began after the Alwars. 'Acharya' means a teacher. Among them Yamunacharya wasforemost. The next in succession was Ramanuja- charya. It was he who provided a good framework to the Bhakti cult. He gave a comprehensive form to the tenets of Vishishtadvaita. He propounded a philosophy, which could command a universal following.Ramanuja delivered his final message to his disciples: "Shed your ego. Love the devotees of God. Serve the cause of mankind who is God's children. Nobody is infallible; do not humiliate any one. What is of supreme importance is purity of mind and deed." His message was spread all over the country by his seventy-four disciples and Maths was built in different parts. The end was nearing. Ramanuja lay down keeping his head on the lap of

Govinda and his feet on Andhrapoorna's lap. He attained eternal bliss in that posture, on the tenth day of the month of Magha, in the year 1059 of Shalivahana era (A. D. 1137).

Pranaam

This is what should be posted on this forum. by guliaditya

There may be differences in dark's and my tradition, but we can still relish bhakti and its feelings. We can relish seeing bhakti vibrant in the heart of the other. Inspiring the bliss of devotion in another is true service, and very self-less.

 

I think 'difference' in the subtle teachings of our traditions becomes a treasure when we grow spiritually. We can see the subtle nuances gradually, and the rich diversity that is in God's personality.

 

if we are not developed so much spiritually, discussing differences may be contentious. When dealing with others in this world we need to be aware of that.

There can be philosophical differences but the center theme is bhakti. It is thru bhakti only we can attain Sreeman Narayana.Quoting 2 verse from Bhagavatam.

na yad vacas' citra-padam harer yas'o

jagat-pavitram pragrinîta karhicit

tad vâyasam tîrtham us'anti mânasâ

na yatra hamsâ niramanty us'ik-kshayâh (SB 1.5.10)

Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord Hari, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.

tad-vâg-visargo janatâgha-viplavo

yasmin prati-s'lokam abaddhavaty api

nâmâny anantasya yas'o 'nkitâni yat

s'rinvanti gâyanti grinanti sâdhavah (SB 1.5.11)

On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world's misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.

Pranaam

Excellent post by dark warrior on great Alvars.I have read about all the 12 great alvars.Even the divine charitra of Andal is worth reading.

This is what should be posted on this forum.Thru great devotees only we can understand about Sreeman Narayana. Doing bhakti of Sreeman Narayana & reading divine charitra of great devotees of Sreeman Narayana should be the sole objective of human being.

Thanks a lot Dark warrior(would be highly obliged if u write your real name).

Pls post for other Alvars also.

Pranaam

Shreeman Narayana is the supreme personality & Lord Shiva is supreme vaishnava. I think if we accept this then there will be no further debate.

Pranaam

3) Guliaditya: There are many pramanas proving that Shiva, Brahma and the Devas are jvas. And as far as the 'Shiva is a great Vaishnava' goes, please read my earlier post on this:

 

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But the reason why I suspect that this verse does not pertain to the current Rudra is simply because he has not done much to become the greatest Vaishnava. Apart from composing a few stotras in praise of the Lord, Shiva has sometimes rebelled against Vishnu (as in Banasura episode) and has also considered himself as Supreme at times. Therfore, it isn't necessary to worship this Rudra. He may be Vaishnava, but he is not a Bhagavata.

 

 

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Actually it is accepted by majority of vaishanavas.In that context only I have written.

It is true that the particular verse refers to which yuga is not mentioned.

Anyway thanks for your reply.

Pranaam

There is only one GOD i.e Shreeman Narayan. Quoting some verses from Bhagavatam.

tasmai namo bhagavate vâsudevâya dhîmahi

yan-mâyayâ durjayayâ mâm vddanti jagad-gurum

I offer my obeisances and meditate upon Lord Krishna [Vâsudeva], the Personality of Godhead, whose invincible potency influences them [the less intelligent class of men] to call me the supreme controller.

nârâyana-parâ vedâ devâ nârâyanângajâh

nârâyana-parâ lokâ nârâyana-parâ makhâh

nârâyana-paro yogo nârâyana-param tapah

nârâyana-param jn'ânam nârâyana-parâ gatih

The Vedic literatures are made by and are meant for the Supreme Lord, the demigods are also meant for serving the Lord as parts of His body, the different planets are also meant for the sake of the Lord, and different sacrifices are performed just to please Him.All different types of meditation or mysticism are means for realizing Nârâyana. All austerities are aimed at achieving Nârâyana. Culture of transcendental knowledge is for getting a glimpse of Nârâyana, and ultimately salvation is entering the <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:PlaceType u2:st="on"><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">kingdom</u1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceType> of <u1:PlaceName u2:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Nârâyana</u1:PlaceName></u1:place></st1:PlaceName></st1:place>

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vis'vam purusha-rûpena paripâti tri-s'akti-dhrik (SB 2.6.32)

By His will, I create, Lord S'iva destroys, and He Himself, in His eternal form as the Personality of Godhead, maintains everything. He is the powerful controller of these three energies.

nato 'smy aham tac-caranam samîyushâm

bhavac-chidam svasty-ayanam sumangalam

yo hy âtma-mâyâ-vibhavam sma paryagâd

yathâ nabhah svântam athâpare kutah (SB2.6.36)

Therefore it is best for me to surrender unto His feet, which alone can deliver one from the miseries of repeated birth and death. Such surrender is all-auspicious and allows one to perceive all happiness. Even the sky cannot estimate the limits of its own expansion. So what can others do when the Lord Himself is unable to estimate His own limits?

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nâham na yûyam yad-ritâm gatim vidur

na vâmadevah kim utâpare surâh

tan-mâyayâ mohita-buddhayas tv idam

vinirmitam câtma-samam vicakshmahe (SB2.6.37)

Since neither Lord S'iva nor you nor I could ascertain the limits of spiritual happiness, how can other demigods know it? And because all of us are bewildered by the illusory external energy of the Supreme Lord, we can see only this manifested cosmos according to our individual ability.

Hence from all the above quotes it is clear that Lord Narayana is supreme personality.There is no one equal to or greater than Lord Narayana.Hence it will be wrong to say that Lord Shiva & Lord Brahma are equal to Lord Narayana.

Lord Shiva is above Brahma but below Vishnu/Naryana. Lord Brahma & Lord Shiva are direct manifestation of Lord Narayana. Shiva tattva is very difficult to describe. Even Shree Bhishma was not in a position to describe it. He asked Yudhisthira to request Lord Krishna for describing Shiva tattva. Even Lord Brahma was not able to describe Shiva tattva then what to tell about others.

Vedvyas has conluded “Vaishanavanam Yatha Shambhu”. Hence we should accept Vedvyas & give respect to Lord Shiva as supreme acharya/Vaishnava.

Both the guru & Lord should be treated equally & should be worshipped .

Hence both Lord Narayana(as supreme personality) & Lord Shiva ( as supreme acharya/Vaishnava) should be worshipped.

Afterall we teach that Krishna is a the Supreme Person who lives in the heart of all and is guiding the wanderings of all souls, both sinners and saints. So if we really believe this then why not include Krishna directly in all such matters?

 

Krishna is not just with us as a kinda vague philosophical concept or something. He is with us right now and always, directly as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Let's leave revealing guru to the aspirant up to Krsna. He is the Supreme Match Maker because afterall in the highest sense guru is a manifestation of Him on earth and Krishna is self-revealing by nature.

Very well said theistji.

Fully accepted with respect.

Pranaam

Theist,

Your conclusion is baseless about Kripaluji maharaj.Daily I am listening to his discourse.His philosophy is very simple i.e... do unconditional bhakti to Lord Krishna.All his views are supported by sastric pramaan.Mostly he would quote from Srimad Bhagavatam.

If your have any query then go & ask him.All your doubts will be cleared.

He has spent his entire life in Krishna Bhakti.Actually it is the effect of the Kaliyug that we are not able to recognize saintly persons.Anyway everyperson has got the right to form the opinion.

Pranaam

Namaste,

 

thank you everyone for your helpful and very informative answers. the suggestions about going to the Lord on this is very good and something i hadn't even thought of doing (left over effect from being a buddhist, doing everything on your own)

 

Thank you also Malati and Vedesu for the links. i have a ton to read over

 

without sparking any type of debate or anything, what do you guys think about the Divine Love Society http://www.jkp.org ? are they recognized as being legit? I kind of like what have been reading but i don't want to get involved with any kind of culty stuff.

 

thanks again

 

Jai Sri Visnu!

U have done a right choice. Jagadguru Kripaluji maharaj is very learned scholar.His discourses are worth listening.You can hear his discourses on Sanskar TV daily at 7.30 pm(IST).After hearing his discorses you can make your judgement.

Hari Bol

Pranaam

Begger,

Can u give me quote from Srimad Bhagavatam where it is written that Lakshmi devi was not allowed in the Ras lila????

Then why is your avatar picture, a picture of Sri Sri Radha Krsna? I never heard of Sri Narayana playing a flute?

 

CC Madhya 23.84-85: "'Above Nārāyaṇa, Kṛṣṇa has four specific transcendental qualities — His wonderful pastimes, an abundance of wonderful associates who are very dear to Him [like the gopīs], His wonderful beauty and the wonderful vibration of His flute. Lord Kṛṣṇa is more exalted than ordinary living beings and demigods like Lord Śiva. He is even more exalted than His personal expansion Nārāyaṇa. In all, the Supreme Personality of Godhead has sixty-four transcendental qualities in full.'

I appreciate your concern & at the same time surprised also.

I don't see there is any difference between Lord Narayana & Lord Krishna. It is Lord Narayana who takes all the avtaars.

esha vai bhagavân sâkshâd

âdyo nârâyanah pumân

mohayan mâyayâ lokam

gûdhas' carati vrishnishu(SB 1.9.18)

TRANSLATION

This S'rî Krishna is no other than the inconceivable, original Personality of Godhead. He is the first Nârâyana, the supreme enjoyer. But He is moving amongst the descendants of King Vrishni just like one of us and He is bewildering us with His self-created energy.

Hence if I worship Lord Narayan or Lord Krishna, how does it matter????

Pranaam

 

Where I have drag the issue???

I never indulge in any debate.U can read all my posts.

After reading Bhagavatam, Gita, Ramayan, & divine charitra of Bhaktas, I have drawn the conclusion that Sreeman Narayan is the supreme personality & he alone should be worshipped.Any philosophy which deviates from it, I don't accept it.Hence there is no question of debate on my part.

But if anyone challenges it then it needs to be defended also.

Anyway thanks for your reply.

 

Pranaam

Accepting Krishna to be the Supreme happens only when one is cleared of all doubts.

 

He himself said, "After knowing this, nothing is left to be known."

This is what I have also replied in my post.This is the conclusion of all the scriptures,acharyas & above all by Lord Shiva himself(greatest vaishnava).

Leave aside all debates & worship Lord Narayana as supreme personality.

This is Vaishanavsim.Any philosophy which deviates from it should be rejected.

Hari Bol

Pranaam

"This is the position of sādhu. He is not disturbed. Titikṣavaḥ. In all circumstances, he is tolerant. That is sādhu. Sādhu does not become disturbed. Titikṣavaḥ. At the same time, kāruṇikāḥ. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others. Just like Jesus Christ. He is being crucified, and still he is merciful:

“Father, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them.” This is sādhu. He is personally being disturbed by the demons, but still, he is merciful to the general people. They are suffering for want of Krishna consciousness. So even up to the point of death, he is trying to preach Krishna consciousness. “Let the people be benefited. Eh, what is this material body? Even if I am killed, I am not killed. This body is killed, that’s all.” This is sādhu. Titikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ. In one side he is tolerant, and other side, merciful.

 

What you wanted to prove from your reply???

Pls clarify.

 

Pranaam

You'll need to read the Gita really well. It's a really complex issue but for sure it does have the answer.

 

It's a very subtle issue, only a very humble and devoted soul can unlock this mystery.

 

Words from us will not help.

I am not clear from your reply.

Can u make me clear if u have read Gita really well.

I know only one thing i.e. Lord Narayana is supreme personality & he alone should be worshipped.One should worship with full faith & devotion.

This is the real crux. This is the conclusion of all the scriptures & acharyas.

Pranaam