Surrender in meditation

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Hi, Could anyone please share their opinion on this query of mine please: When we sit to meditate, we are to surrender to Shri Mataji/the Shakti within, in the sahasrar, is that right? well, after one has said ' I surrender to you' and goes into Nirvichar whilst feeling the kundalini in the sahasrar, is it imperative to be 'AWARE' that one is in surrender to Shri Mataji, while being in meditation. The question will be a little difficult to understand actually. Becuase we all meditate slightly differently depending on our natures, left/right sidedness. So far i have been meditating by just being in thoughtless awareness. My attention sometimes would be fixed at a point 2 inches above the head, sometimes it would just be the top of the head itself. Today, i just observed that i normally say 'i surrender', but then i tend to forget all about it (The surrender, Shri Mataji, Shakti etc) when kundalini crosses the agnya. Could someone
please tell me the prescribed technique? Actually the question just came up becuase i was looking at the video from the adishakti site, and Shri Mataji said ' Meditate on me'. Warm regards, Ravindranjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: Dear All,Shri Mataji did say that Satya Yuga has started despite admitting that Kali Yuga is yet prevalent. As Chandra points out this is no contradiction and i have to agree too. i believe Shri Mataji means that Satya Yuga has started for SYs while the rest of the world is yet in the ignorance of Kali Yuga. This makes perfect sense.However Her horoscope pinpoints the date Satya Yuga will start i.e., 2-21-2013. That is a time when far more people will know, admit and
declare the same. When a critical mass of spiritual seekers realize Satya Yuga or Age of Truth will officially begin. (It is just like athletes preparing themselves for the 2008 Olympic Games. By rigorous daily training, positive thinking and openly letting others know they are preparing themselves in body, mind and soul for the official opening. For them the Games have actually begun. The rest of humanity will only become conscious in 2008. The same applies to SYs working to usher Satya Yuga onto human consciousness by 2013.)But under no circumstance has that Age actually begun because WCASY, management and rank and file SYs have done little to proclaim the Truth. i wonder why some SYs are feeling unease when "Satya" means "Truth". Why should they fret when in no way are they participating in promoting it? Ot is it the nature of Truth itself, specifically the exposure of the Divine Message in public, that is the
real cause of unease?The is another point to consider. Shri Mataji may have said that Satya Yuga has begun and expected SYs would openly TELL ALL THE NATIONS to bring forth that Age of Truth. Nothing happened that vaguely could be considered success. i am absolutely convinced that had management SYs obeyed Her things would have been different today.But Shri Mahamaya knows how to overcome obstacles. We now have Her horoscope to commence Satya Yuga by 2013. This time we will listen and obey Her to the letter. From now onwards She will triumph.Jai Shri Mataji,jagbir , "my2pai" <my2pai wrote:>> Dear All,> > Recently there has appeared to be some interest and even unease > among many Sahaja Yogis over the matter of the start of Satya Yuga, an issue discussed on this forum over the past three months; an example of such
concern is shown in [1]. > > Indeed, Shri Mataji has mentioned on a number of occasions, over the years that Satya Yuga has actually started. As an example, excerpted below [2] is a talk from 1979 in Bombay, where Shri Mataji declared that Satya Yuga had begun and yet slightly later in the same talk, She said, "In this Kali Yuga..."> > This appears to be a contradiction and yet it need not be so because Shri Mataji had probably marked the start of Satya Yuga from Her Advent on May 5th, 1970; Satya Yuga was being phased in, so to > speak, even though Kali Yuga was still very much in evidence. Satya Yuga will reach full bloom by February 21st, 2013 when Shri Mataji will witness the power of Shri Kalki manifesting, as indicated by Her horoscope. As we have seen, this event has also been predicted by the Mayans although the date they had set for the start of the new world age is December 21st, 2012, earlier
by two months.> > The period or interval from 1970 to 2012 is apparently more > significant than we have so far realized. I quote here from a web > site I recently came across [3]:> > "The Book of Revelation website explains on the pre-sign page that > the recapturing of Jerusalem by the Israelis in the six-day war of > 1967, is a key date encoded in the words of Jesus, that starts off a > 45-year period ending in 2012. The Second Coming of Christ will > occur during this 45-year period, and it was the prophet Daniel who revealed it."> > The second sentence in the above quote should hit us in the face and suddenly rouse us from our torpor. It bears repeating: "The Second Coming of Christ will occur during this 45-year period, and it was the prophet Daniel who revealed it." It should not take much > deductive effort to realize that the Second Coming of Christ is >
actually the same as the Advent of Shri Mataji! And it had been > prophesied by the Prophet Daniel in the Old Testament. Therefore > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is verily the Christ returned! Jai Shri > Mataji!> > C.> > > [1]> Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:15:47 -0700 > Re: DivineSahajayoga Re: Shri Ganesh Chathurthi > Jai Shri Mataji!> Shri Mataji was also in Australia a couple of times during > January/February period in the early to mid-1990's, and during one > of those visits She declared that the age of truth, Satya Yuga, has now begun. There must be yogis/inis more learned than me on this subject, but I would suppose that the time of Shri Ganesha > Chathurthi every year for some time to come will resound with > tremendous transformational energies as we
merge with/transition > into the golden age. > -> > [2]> "... In this world the people have not given anything to the saints except harm and torture. But I tell you now that circumstances have changed. The Satya Yuga has commenced. You may try but now you would not succeed in persecuting or torturing any saint. This is due to Jesus Christ himself, for Jesus Christ has set in motion a mighty power in this world which would make such wicked people suffer. (...) In this Kali Yuga, all those who are seeking God shall find Him and millions of people will be able to do so. Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment. This is described in the Bible...."> > Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ, Bombay, 26/9/79 > (Nirmala Yoga, Nov-Dec 1984)> > [3]> http://onealclan0.tripod.com/end_times.htm>Do You ?

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Dear Ravindran,

Mother is in your heart and in your head.

If you put your attention on your heart and feel Her love and bliss there, your
kundalini will rise automatically to where She resides at the Sahasrara. Then
all you have to do is keep your attention on Her.

Don't worry about anything else. She IS ABOVE the head. The 2 inches above the
head 'bit' was just to get used to putting your attention 'up there'.

When a person is 'new' to SY, they still have to make that connection with Shri
Mataji, that is, to 'feel' that connection and having them put their attention
'up there' or '2 inches above the head' is the guidance necessary until they can
actually feel Her within them.

Once you feel Her within you, Ravindran, all you need to do is to put your
attention on Her. Then you feel Her love and bliss and nothing else matters. The
external world just recedes and the internal one becomes Reality.

love and best wishes,

Violet


, Ravindran Nair
<ravindran_nair2005 wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Could anyone please share their opinion on this query of mine
please: When we sit to meditate, we are to surrender to Shri Mataji/
the Shakti within, in the sahasrar, is that right? well, after one has
said ' I surrender to you' and goes into Nirvichar whilst feeling the
kundalini in the sahasrar, is it imperative to be 'AWARE' that one is
in surrender to Shri Mataji, while being in meditation.
>
> The question will be a little difficult to understand actually.
Becuase we all meditate slightly differently depending on our natures,
left/right sidedness. So far i have been meditating by just being in
thoughtless awareness. My attention sometimes would be fixed at a
point 2 inches above the head, sometimes it would just be the top of
the head itself. Today, i just observed that i normally say 'i
surrender', but then i tend to forget all about it (The surrender,
Shri Mataji, Shakti etc) when kundalini crosses the agnya. Could
someone please tell me the prescribed technique?
>
> Actually the question just came up becuase i was looking at the
video from the adishakti site, and Shri Mataji said ' Meditate on me'.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ravindran
>
> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Shri Mataji did say that Satya Yuga has started despite admitting
> that Kali Yuga is yet prevalent. As Chandra points out this is no
> contradiction and i have to agree too. i believe Shri Mataji means
> that Satya Yuga has started for SYs while the rest of the world is
> yet in the ignorance of Kali Yuga. This makes perfect sense.
>
> However Her horoscope pinpoints the date Satya Yuga will start i.e.,
> 2-21-2013. That is a time when far more people will know, admit and
> declare the same. When a critical mass of spiritual seekers realize
> Satya Yuga or Age of Truth will officially begin. (It is just like
> athletes preparing themselves for the 2008 Olympic Games. By
> rigorous daily training, positive thinking and openly letting others
> know they are preparing themselves in body, mind and soul for the
> official opening. For them the Games have actually begun. The rest
> of humanity will only become conscious in 2008. The same applies to
> SYs working to usher Satya Yuga onto human consciousness by 2013.)
>
> But under no circumstance has that Age actually begun because WCASY,
> management and rank and file SYs have done little to proclaim the
> Truth. i wonder why some SYs are feeling unease when " Satya "
> means " Truth " . Why should they fret when in no way are they
> participating in promoting it? Ot is it the nature of Truth itself,
> specifically the exposure of the Divine Message in public, that is
> the real cause of unease?
>
> The is another point to consider. Shri Mataji may have said that
> Satya Yuga has begun and expected SYs would openly TELL ALL THE
> NATIONS to bring forth that Age of Truth. Nothing happened that
> vaguely could be considered success. i am absolutely convinced that
> had management SYs obeyed Her things would have been different
today.
>
> But Shri Mahamaya knows how to overcome obstacles. We now have Her
> horoscope to commence Satya Yuga by 2013. This time we will listen
> and obey Her to the letter. From now onwards She will triumph.
>
> Jai Shri Mataji,
>
>
> jagbir
>
>
> , " my2pai " <my2pai@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Recently there has appeared to be some interest and even unease
> > among many Sahaja Yogis over the matter of the start of Satya
> Yuga, an issue discussed on this forum over the past three months;
> an example of such concern is shown in [1].
> >
> > Indeed, Shri Mataji has mentioned on a number of occasions, over
> the years that Satya Yuga has actually started. As an example,
> excerpted below [2] is a talk from 1979 in Bombay, where Shri Mataji
> declared that Satya Yuga had begun and yet slightly later in the
> same talk, She said, " In this Kali Yuga... "
> >
> > This appears to be a contradiction and yet it need not be so
> because Shri Mataji had probably marked the start of Satya Yuga from
> Her Advent on May 5th, 1970; Satya Yuga was being phased in, so to
> > speak, even though Kali Yuga was still very much in evidence.
> Satya Yuga will reach full bloom by February 21st, 2013 when Shri
> Mataji will witness the power of Shri Kalki manifesting, as
> indicated by Her horoscope. As we have seen, this event has also
> been predicted by the Mayans although the date they had set for the
> start of the new world age is December 21st, 2012, earlier by two
> months.
> >
> > The period or interval from 1970 to 2012 is apparently more
> > significant than we have so far realized. I quote here from a web
> > site I recently came across [3]:
> >
> > " The Book of Revelation website explains on the pre-sign page that
> > the recapturing of Jerusalem by the Israelis in the six-day war of
> > 1967, is a key date encoded in the words of Jesus, that starts off
> a
> > 45-year period ending in 2012. The Second Coming of Christ will
> > occur during this 45-year period, and it was the prophet Daniel
> who revealed it. "
> >
> > The second sentence in the above quote should hit us in the face
> and suddenly rouse us from our torpor. It bears repeating: " The
> Second Coming of Christ will occur during this 45-year period, and
> it was the prophet Daniel who revealed it. " It should not take much
> > deductive effort to realize that the Second Coming of Christ is
> > actually the same as the Advent of Shri Mataji! And it had been
> > prophesied by the Prophet Daniel in the Old Testament. Therefore
> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is verily the Christ returned! Jai Shri
> > Mataji!
> >
> > C.
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:15:47 -0700
> > Re: DivineSahajayoga Re: Shri Ganesh Chathurthi
> > Jai Shri Mataji!
> > Shri Mataji was also in Australia a couple of times during
> > January/February period in the early to mid-1990's, and during one
> > of those visits She declared that the age of truth, Satya Yuga,
> has now begun. There must be yogis/inis more learned than me on this
> subject, but I would suppose that the time of Shri Ganesha
> > Chathurthi every year for some time to come will resound with
> > tremendous transformational energies as we merge with/transition
> > into the golden age.
> >
> > [2]
> > " ... In this world the people have not given anything to the
> saints except harm and torture. But I tell you now that
> circumstances have changed. The Satya Yuga has commenced. You may
> try but now you would not succeed in persecuting or torturing any
> saint. This is due to Jesus Christ himself, for Jesus Christ has set
> in motion a mighty power in this world which would make such wicked
> people suffer. (...) In this Kali Yuga, all those who are seeking
> God shall find Him and millions of people will be able to do so.
> Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment. This is described in the Bible....
"
> >
> > Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ, Bombay, 26/9/79
> > (Nirmala Yoga, Nov-Dec 1984)
> >
> > [3]
> > http://onealclan0.tripod.com/end_times.htm
> >
>
>

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Dear Ravindran,

 

In the end you will know there is no attention to fix because in the

thoughtless awareness state there are no thoughts, just awarness of

consciousness.

 

Trying to fix you attention 2 " above head is for kindergarten.

 

Then you enter Grade One and fix you attention inside.

 

Then you advance to Grade Two and try to become thoughtless and

aware at the same time. If you can do both for a few minutes you

will take a giant leap from Grade Two to Secondary Two where you

will learn to be thoughtlessly aware while awake. Once you start

doing that on a daily basis and succeed you will enter University.

 

You will only advance that far and quickly if you discard all

external rituals and projections, and begin realizing the Shakti is

within and all this universe and beyond is Consciousness.

 

After entering University no one can teach you. Neither can you

teach others what you learn. You and the Shakti will be One.

 

Surrendering means giving up your ego and feeling of " I " , and trying

to merge with the Shakti in consciousness. You cannot be aware that

you have surrendered because only your ego can make you aware

that " I " have surrendered. When " I " surrenders there should be no

more thoughts, or need for affirming of having surrendered. If you

remember then know you have not surrendered as your ego makes you

conscious of the need to know that you have surrendered. Your

mind " thinks " and that is not being in the thoughtless state.

Surrendering means losing conciousness of yourself being Ravindran.

 

Hope this will clear your mind and rid it of the need to think or be

aware. Awareness does not mean " thinking " . You never think you are

alive or breathing or exisitng. So why should you think you are

surrendered or meditating or anything for that matter? - just be

aware thoughtlessly. Your mind can be trained slowly to reach this

level of thoughtless consciousness Ravindran.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, Ravindran Nair

<ravindran_nair2005 wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Could anyone please share their opinion on this query of mine

please: When we sit to meditate, we are to surrender to Shri

Mataji/the Shakti within, in the sahasrar, is that right? well,

after one has said ' I surrender to you' and goes into Nirvichar

whilst feeling the kundalini in the sahasrar, is it imperative to

be 'AWARE' that one is in surrender to Shri Mataji, while being in

meditation.

>

> The question will be a little difficult to understand actually.

Becuase we all meditate slightly differently depending on our

natures, left/right sidedness. So far i have been meditating by just

being in thoughtless awareness. My attention sometimes would be

fixed at a point 2 inches above the head, sometimes it would just be

the top of the head itself. Today, i just observed that i normally

say 'i surrender', but then i tend to forget all about it (The

surrender, Shri Mataji, Shakti etc) when kundalini crosses the

agnya. Could someone please tell me the prescribed technique?

>

> Actually the question just came up becuase i was looking at the

video from the adishakti site, and Shri Mataji said ' Meditate on

me'.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ravindran

>