Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Dear learned readers, > > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong > > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha > > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did > > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. You have to give it a try with an open mind on a large number of charts before deciding whether the ayanamsa is wrong or not. > > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like > > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the > > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he > > could give sound predictions with such techniques. > This is very arrogant talk. Tell me what is a divisional chart? They are nothing but a microscopic view of the rasi chart. Ever wondered if Dr. Raman used his head alone to do the divisional computations and 'see' the complete picture. I think thats where the explanation lies. He himself was a supercomputer and did not need extra charts that we can't live without today. Regards GS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Namaste Praveenji, Thanks. I have not used aspects and yogas in divisions( divisional charts for some) I have had reasonable success in identifying events without these parameters. Not everything ofcourse. Have you followed Vijaydas Pradeepjis posts. He is making some very compelling points. If there are divisional charts why worry about uttamamsha, gopuramsha ? Just use yogas in the said divisional chart. When parashar says bhava whose lord is in benefic shastyamsha, this bhava is in all likely hood in main bahava kundali. Otherwise you may have saptam bhavesh from rashi in krura shatiamsha and saptam bhavesh from navansh in amrita bhavesh, what will you do then ? It is an discussion worth pondering over. You are one of the learned and experienced jyotishi. I would like your take on this. Thanks .... .... On 4/27/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote: > Dear Panditji, > Yes, I too use aspects and yogas in Navamsa. Shri K.N.Rao also advocates the > same. It gives results too. > > Praveen kumar (Mumbai) > - > Panditji > vedic astrology > 27, 04, 2005 6:14 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... > > Namaste, > > Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to > him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. > > The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in navansha" > > Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, > mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Like > a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. > > Could you please shed light on this. > > Thanks > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Good to see you sporting a Guru Mangala yoga! Was a big help. do not say....elementary watson!! Kate vedic astrology, "Suresh Surendranathan" <sherlockthegreat@h...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > Ya..Your sense of humour is pathetic - thats what it means! > > Hope that helps > Suresh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 font-family:Arial">Namasthe, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to font-family:Arial">> him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Yes. The Navamsa chart is studied as a normal chart and all rules including aspects and conjunctions are applied accordingly. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">> Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, font-family:Arial">> mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Like font-family:Arial">> a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">He did use aspects. In notable horoscopes, he has written “In Navamsa, Lagna is afflicted by the aspect of Saturn” while dealing with a horoscope. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">You can consider the example of Neechabhanga Raja Yoga for better clarity. If a planet is debilitated in the Rasi chart, and if its lord is in a Kendra to Lagna in Navamsa, Neechabhanga takes place. So we study the planets in Navamsa with reference to Navamsa Lagna. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">However, that does not imply that one has to neglect other rules. In Navamsa, we also make use of the sign occupied by atmakaraka. In my opinion, we study the Navamsa chart or any other divisional chart as a normal chart and judge the relevant issues. The Navamsa chart is given more importance as it is a chart representing “Dharmic aspects” of the native. While the Rasi chart is used as the base, the divisional charts are used to get a finer picture. font-family:Arial"> Om Tat Sat, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology [vedic- font-family:Arial">> astrology] On Behalf Of Panditji font-family:Arial">> Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:15 PM font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology font-family:Arial">> Re: [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Namaste, font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to font-family:Arial">> him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in navansha" font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, font-family:Arial">> mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Like font-family:Arial">> a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Could you please shed light on this. font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Thanks font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> ... font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> On 4/27/05, Raman Suprajarama <cru115 (AT) niranjanbabu (DOT) com> wrote: font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Dear Vinay, font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > I would want to bring a few points to your notice. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > Dear Narasimha, font-family:Arial">> > > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong font-family:Arial">> > > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha font-family:Arial">> > > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > The question of Ayanamsa is very debatable. Geocentric system was given font-family:Arial">> by font-family:Arial">> > Ptolemy and this was accepted as the correct system. When Copernicus font-family:Arial">> gave font-family:Arial">> > the heliocentric system, everyone including the church condemned it. His font-family:Arial">> > book "De Revolutionibus" was suppressed for 13 years. It is now accepted font-family:Arial">> the font-family:Arial">> > correct planetary system. While I am not debating on which is the font-family:Arial">> correct font-family:Arial">> > Ayanamsa to be used, it would be in order to respect each one's belief. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > not even advocate the use of Navamsa chart. He font-family:Arial">> > > suggested that the Navamsa chart could be shelved if font-family:Arial">> > > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > The above statements are not true. Dr. Raman gave importance to the font-family:Arial">> Navamsa font-family:Arial">> > chart. If you go through "Notable Horoscopes" by Dr. Raman, you can see font-family:Arial">> how font-family:Arial">> > he has used the Navamsa chart in analysis and timing events. I would font-family:Arial">> want to font-family:Arial">> > give a few lines from the talk he gave at Cambridge, England on 21 font-family:Arial">> September font-family:Arial">> > 1970. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > He said, "I should like to be somewhat prolix in my treatment of the font-family:Arial">> Navamsa font-family:Arial">> > chart. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Its first and most important use, as I have already said, is in font-family:Arial">> balancing font-family:Arial">> > for good or bad, the main chart so that the horoscope as a whole is font-family:Arial">> assessed font-family:Arial">> > correctly. The most powerful Raja Yogas or combinations for royalty get font-family:Arial">> > tempered or even neutralized if the planets causing such Yogas are font-family:Arial">> afflicted font-family:Arial">> > in the Navamsa. Conversely, even if the main chart is somewhat weak and font-family:Arial">> the font-family:Arial">> > planets causing affliction are well placed in the Navamsa, the main font-family:Arial">> chart font-family:Arial">> > secures strength". During the usual discussions that I had with him, he font-family:Arial">> > always stressed on looking at the planetary placements in Navamsa chart font-family:Arial">> and font-family:Arial">> > then draw conclusions. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > could give sound predictions with such techniques. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Dr. Raman did use divisional charts and other Dasas. If you read his font-family:Arial">> book font-family:Arial">> > Studies in Jaimini Astrology, he has given the various Dasa systems and font-family:Arial">> also font-family:Arial">> > examples. He said that Vimshottari Dasa was universally applicable, and font-family:Arial">> if font-family:Arial">> > one finds it difficult to compute other Dasas, he can safely predict font-family:Arial">> using font-family:Arial">> > this Dasa system. During our discussions of Jaimini principles, he font-family:Arial">> suggested font-family:Arial">> > I start with Chara Dasa and Shoola Dasa for predicting general events font-family:Arial">> and font-family:Arial">> > timing death respectively. He also suggested the use of Ashtamsa chart font-family:Arial">> along font-family:Arial">> > with Shoola Dasa. In regard to divisional charts, this is what he wrote font-family:Arial">> "The font-family:Arial">> > life chart or the Rasi Kundali is indeed the basic chart upon which font-family:Arial">> rests font-family:Arial">> > all the other charts. In it is hidden all the various factors which will font-family:Arial">> > come to fruition in the course of the present life of an individual. But font-family:Arial">> it font-family:Arial">> > must be dissected into other charts so that a clear history of each one font-family:Arial">> of font-family:Arial">> > the factors of life is obtained. Quite often the evidence which seems font-family:Arial">> > important in the Rasi or the main chart is modified by the evidence font-family:Arial">> > furnished by the subsidiary chart." font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > I did try using Lahiri Ayanamsa and other Ayanamsas. When I tried to font-family:Arial">> analyze font-family:Arial">> > using Lahiri Ayanamsa, never did my grandfather or father discourage it. font-family:Arial">> It font-family:Arial">> > was after many tests and my own understanding that I started using Raman font-family:Arial">> > Ayanamsa. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy font-family:Arial">> > > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some font-family:Arial">> > > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing font-family:Arial">> > > original or new to the arsenal of astrological font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Looks like you have not read his books completely. Apart from the font-family:Arial">> general font-family:Arial">> > combinations that are given in the classics, Dr. Raman has also given font-family:Arial">> many font-family:Arial">> > new and different combinations. Best example would be the Longevity font-family:Arial">> chapter font-family:Arial">> > in Hindu Predictive Astrology. In his book, How to judge earthquakes and font-family:Arial">> > weather, he has given different rules and methods based on his font-family:Arial">> experience. font-family:Arial">> > The Astrological Magazine carried lot of articles giving new ideas and font-family:Arial">> > thoughts in regard to Mundane Astrology. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Sri Narasimha Rao has given a good reply to your other statements and I font-family:Arial">> > would want to leave it at that. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > It is ok to bring out the negative points of a person, so as to help font-family:Arial">> him, font-family:Arial">> > but it more important to verify the statements one makes. While false font-family:Arial">> > statements do not carry any weight, it could bring in bad Karma. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Om Tat Sat, font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Raman Suprajarama font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > ________________________________ font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > vedic astrology font-family:Arial">> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. font-family:Arial">> Rao font-family:Arial">> > Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:09 AM font-family:Arial">> > ; vedic astrology font-family:Arial">> > [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Dear Vinay, font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > >>>Different people operate under different font-family:Arial">> > > >>>circumstances and their contributions cannot be font-family:Arial">> > > >>>compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close font-family:Arial">> > > >>>to Dr Raman's contributions. He belongs to a different font-family:Arial">> > > >>>level, like Varahamihira. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > Dear Narasimha, font-family:Arial">> > > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong font-family:Arial">> > > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha font-family:Arial">> > > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > I too personally do not use Raman ayanamsa. I use Lahiri ayanamsa and font-family:Arial">> > believe it has only a small error. But, in the absence of a conclusive font-family:Arial">> proof font-family:Arial">> > of the correct ayanamsa, scholars are free to use what they like. Dr font-family:Arial">> Raman, font-family:Arial">> > Krishnamoorthy, Swami Sadashiva Giri, Swami Yukteshwar's followers all font-family:Arial">> have font-family:Arial">> > their own favorite ayanamsas. You can fault anyone for following what font-family:Arial">> they font-family:Arial">> > prefer. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. He font-family:Arial">> > > suggested that the Navamsha chart could be shelved if font-family:Arial">> > > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > There are people today shelving shashtyamsa chart. I don't see any font-family:Arial">> > difference between shelving navamsa and shelving shashtyamsa. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > What's wrong with it? font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > I use Lahiri ayanamsa and used it in all my articles published in font-family:Arial">> > "Astrological Magazine". They never held it against me and published my font-family:Arial">> > articles. When they respect my decision to use Lahiri ayanamsa, I font-family:Arial">> respect font-family:Arial">> > their decision to use Raman ayanamsa. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like font-family:Arial">> > > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the font-family:Arial">> > > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he font-family:Arial">> > > could give sound predictions with such techniques. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > That is the beauty! He gave sound predictions for several decades. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Though he used what was convenient to him, he was never against the use font-family:Arial">> of font-family:Arial">> > D-10 etc. Nor was he against the use of other dasas. He respected other font-family:Arial">> > views and especially those who had allegiance to maharshis. As an font-family:Arial">> individual font-family:Arial">> > teacher, he had the freedom to focus on what worked for him and what was font-family:Arial">> > convenient to him. I will not blame him for exercising that freedom. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Just before he passed away, I was invited to send an article and sent font-family:Arial">> one font-family:Arial">> > containing my researches on D-27 and received his blessings in a letter. font-family:Arial">> He font-family:Arial">> > said he was happy to see youngsters engaged in serious astrology font-family:Arial">> research font-family:Arial">> > and gave me his encouragement and blessings. The article was published font-family:Arial">> in font-family:Arial">> > the last "Astrological Magazine" that he edited (January 1999 issue). It font-family:Arial">> was font-family:Arial">> > my first published article in astrology. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > How can you fault a man who encounraged others studying divisional font-family:Arial">> charts font-family:Arial">> > for ignoring them? font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Each generation discovers (or, sometimes, invents) new things. It cannot font-family:Arial">> > blame the previous generations for leaving those things. Each generation font-family:Arial">> has font-family:Arial">> > a job to do. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy font-family:Arial">> > > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some font-family:Arial">> > > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing font-family:Arial">> > > original or new to the arsenal of astrological font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > When did having "original contributions" become a criterion for being a font-family:Arial">> > great astrology author? font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > If an author comes by today and translates (interprets) Parasara font-family:Arial">> perfectly, font-family:Arial">> > I will bow to his feet. It will be the greatest contribution anybody font-family:Arial">> (apart font-family:Arial">> > from Parasara) would've ever made to astrology!!! font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Dr Raman brought the knowledge of maharshis to modern educated men. It font-family:Arial">> is a font-family:Arial">> > far greater contribution than any original researches. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > techniques. Coming to his writings, his books "How to font-family:Arial">> > > Judge a Horoscope Vol 1 and Vol 2" which I have read font-family:Arial">> > > are downright badly written books according to me. I font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > But, countless Jyotishis learnt from those books and progressed as font-family:Arial">> > astrologers. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Even today, many of us consider those books the best reference book for font-family:Arial">> > bhava results. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > gave up reading half way. Honestly I felt that even I font-family:Arial">> > > could write a book like that! He simply culled font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > If so, please do!!!! font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > statements from classics and added them in his book font-family:Arial">> > > under the relevant bhava judgment without bothering to font-family:Arial">> > > explain how or why such a statement could work. A font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > That couldn't be more wrong. So many clear practical examples were font-family:Arial">> given! font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > person with no knowledge of astrology can understand font-family:Arial">> > > neither head nor tail of these books. An astrologer font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > who does not interpret and explain the pithy sayings font-family:Arial">> > > of the classics is no great astrologer. For example font-family:Arial">> > > you explain the use of Arudhas even in Divisional font-family:Arial">> > > charts but explain how and why it is to be done. This font-family:Arial">> > > lends credence to what you say and there is some font-family:Arial">> > > chance of its acceptability. I place KN Rao on a font-family:Arial">> > > higher pedestal than Dr. Raman in terms of the font-family:Arial">> > > predictions given and probably even in his writings. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Well, old people like my father who followed Dr Raman for MANY DECADES font-family:Arial">> tell font-family:Arial">> > me that he is unsurpassed in the quantity and quality of predictions. He font-family:Arial">> was font-family:Arial">> > highly successful for several decades. Some are probably influenced by font-family:Arial">> the font-family:Arial">> > propaganda that came after his peak years from some self-promoting font-family:Arial">> savants font-family:Arial">> > that came after him. A Tendulkar or Sehwag cannot make you forget font-family:Arial">> Bradman. font-family:Arial">> > When it comes to public predictions, Dr Raman is the Bradman. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > In writings, I will not dare to put anybody near him. Yes, there have font-family:Arial">> been font-family:Arial">> > more entertaining authors after him, who wrote fluffy books with a lot font-family:Arial">> of font-family:Arial">> > style, a lot of claims and little useful substance. His books are filled font-family:Arial">> > with sattva guna and substance. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > > But there's no doubt Raman's name will live on for a font-family:Arial">> > > long time to come because of his complete dedication font-family:Arial">> > > to the craft of astrology and for having the courage font-family:Arial">> > > to revive a craft that was almost dead in the mid font-family:Arial">> > > fifties. 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Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 font-family:Arial">Dear Ms. Kathy, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Please let me know the horoscope number. While I am no way equal to Dr. Raman, I will definitely try to help you with my limited understanding. font-family:Arial"> Om Tat Sat, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology [vedic- font-family:Arial">> astrology] On Behalf Of Kathy font-family:Arial">> Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:49 PM font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology font-family:Arial">> [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Hello! font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Can't resist telling you this!!! Just received a message from the font-family:Arial">> outer space: font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> <Notable Horoscopes, page 169> ....!@#$!@$! could not make font-family:Arial">> anything out of it.. do you? font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Kate font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> font-family:Arial">> wrote: font-family:Arial">> > Namaste, font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to font-family:Arial">> > him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in font-family:Arial">> navansha" font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, font-family:Arial">> > mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. font-family:Arial">> Like font-family:Arial">> > a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Could you please shed light on this. font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > Thanks font-family:Arial">> > font-family:Arial">> > ... font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> font-family:Arial">> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? font-family:Arial">> Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! font-family:Arial">> http://us.click./WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM font-family:Arial">> --~-> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || font-family:Arial">> Links font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> <*> font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology/ font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> <*> To from this group, send an email to: font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> <*> Your font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial"> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Yes, Panditji. Rasi bhavas are primary for any consideration. But, bhavas in divisions too are used. For this purpose divisions should be treated as independent charts too. Say 5th lord of Navamsa is in the 7th. Then it indicates a love marriage. In Rasi too same interpretation is to be drawn. In all Vargas relevant houses are to be seen. In dasamsa, 10 house (besides lagna) is most important for profession. Shri K.N.Rao says, "..there are many other (secret) uses of vargas". But, all this is subject to the condition that vargas are to be given very limited importance while drawing a conclusion. Shri K.N.Rao says (and which I find working) in his book on Vimshottari that three and a half points should be given to the Rasi chart, three points to Navamsa and only half a point to the interconnected third chart (D-10, D-12 etc). He says, " Never allow the third chart to supersede the importance of the birth horoscope and Navamsa. But do not fail to see the third relevant chart." Shri K.N.Rao gives you only a skeleton house or sometimes just the foundation but never a finished house which you can use readily. Hence, one has to draw one's own conclusions. There is nothing contradictory in use of vargas for planetary strength (and that is the main use of vargas) like uttamamsha, gopuramsha etc. and their use as independent charts. This strength is extremely important. See the Sun exalted in the Rasi chart of new Pope. See that it is exalted in many vargas. Now come back to his Rasi chart (Aqu lagna from K.N.Rao) . Sun is lord of 7th house (of position) aspecting the 9th house (of religion). Now consider Pada Lagna or Arudha Lagna which falls in the 7th house (without using exception). Here, this Sun becomes lord of Lagna placed in the 9th house of religion. What conclusion will you draw ? "There are well defined rules in astrology" and "there are no rules in astrology". You have to reconcile the two statements by being flexible enough. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) - Panditji vedic astrology 27, 04, 2005 11:56 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... Namaste Praveenji,Thanks. I have not used aspects and yogas in divisions( divisionalcharts for some) I have had reasonable success in identifying eventswithout these parameters. Not everything ofcourse.Have you followed Vijaydas Pradeepjis posts. He is making some verycompelling points. If there are divisional charts why worry aboututtamamsha, gopuramsha ? Just use yogas in the said divisional chart.When parashar says bhava whose lord is in benefic shastyamsha, thisbhava is in all likely hood in main bahava kundali. Otherwise you mayhave saptam bhavesh from rashi in krura shatiamsha and saptam bhaveshfrom navansh in amrita bhavesh, what will you do then ?It is an discussion worth pondering over. You are one of the learnedand experienced jyotishi. I would like your take on this.Thanks......On 4/27/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:> Dear Panditji,> Yes, I too use aspects and yogas in Navamsa. Shri K.N.Rao also advocates the> same. It gives results too. > > Praveen kumar (Mumbai)> - > Panditji > To: vedic astrology > 27, 04, 2005 6:14 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman....> > Namaste,> > Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to> him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects.> > The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in navansha"> > Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu,> mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Like> a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc.> > Could you please shed light on this.> > Thanks> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:> vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > ________________________________> Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> vedic astrology/> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Dear Raman, Glad to take that name. As someone already pointed out, it was bad humour. It was balagangadhar tilak's chart.(p 269. Notable Horoscopes) I read all the books of Dr Raman and reasonably understood them. Thanks for your gesture. Kate vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama" <cru115@n...> wrote: > Dear Ms. Kathy, > > > > Please let me know the horoscope number. While I am no way equal to Dr. > Raman, I will definitely try to help you with my limited understanding. > > > > Om Tat Sat, > > > > Raman Suprajarama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 vedic astrology, "SuryaViswanadham" <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Raman, > > > Glad to take that name. As someone already pointed out, it was bad > humour. It was balagangadhar tilak's chart.(p 269. Notable Horoscopes) > > I read all the books of Dr Raman and reasonably understood them. > > Thanks for your gesture. > > Kate > > > vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama" > <cru115@n...> wrote: > > Dear Ms. Kathy, > > > > > > > > Please let me know the horoscope number. While I am no way equal to > Dr. > > Raman, I will definitely try to help you with my limited > understanding. > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat, > > > > > > > > Raman Suprajarama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites