Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2002 So I've been a TM Sidha for a long time. Too long as it turns out. Tm Sidhis is twenty minutes of Maharishi Bbrand meditation followed by repetitions of 18 sutras gleaned from Patanjali's Yoga Sutras Pada Three - Vibhuti pada. Here's the sutras in English Citizen Sidha, Short Version SUTRA DESIRED EFFECT Friendliness Friendliness Compassion Compassion Happiness Happiness/Bliss Strength of an elephant Supernormal Strength Bronchial tube Calmness Inner light Knowledge of things hidden from view Sun Knowledge of cosmic regions (spiritual lokas) Moon Knowledge of arrangement of stars Polestar Knowledge of motion of the stars Trachea Control of hunger and thirst Navel Knowledge of the body Distinction between intellect and transcendence Omniscience Transcendence, intuition Intuition Transcendence, finest hearing Supernormal hearing -- clairaudience and cosmic realms and beings Transcendence, finest sight Supernormal sight Transcendence, finest taste Supernormal taste Transcendence, finest touch Supernormal touch Transcendence, finest smell Supernormal smell Then wait 15 seconds, and repeat: Relationship of body and akasha ... (pause) lightness of cotton fiber Levitation, passage through the skies These are taken from Trancenet org of which I share no affiliation. They also have TM Mantras and advanced techniques all layed out pretty much how they are taught. Their web address is http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/index.shtml The sidhis are translated into the language of the receiving party so if you're French then they are in French and if English, then in English, etc. I virtually never had any clear sutra experiences and I think Maharishi's yogic flying is a crock. You should see all the dopes hopping around in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge, at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield , Iowa. How one can hover or fly bases on bouncing one your butt is the real mystery. "There's no crying in baseball." And there's no muscle action in defying gravity. It's just that simple. That's not to say that I deny that these experiences altogether. In fact I do have many of them from time to time, notably knowledge of starry realms and some strength and control of hunger and thirst (at best of times). But these I also had before the TM Sidhis program, as also some compassion, friendlyness, etc. The last year or two I tried to transcribe the sutras back into their sanskrit based on different versions of the Yoga Sutras in English and Sanskrit and came up with these here: MitrihyaAnukampana or KarunaSugatiHastivarcasaKurma NadyamAntarjyotishSuryaCandraDhruvehKantha KupehNabhi ChakraAntara Buddhi PurushaPurusha PratibhaPurusha Jyayistha ZotraPurusha Jyayistha AmarzaPurusha Jyayistha AvalokaPurusha Jyayistha RasaPurusha Jyayistha GhratiKayakashayo Sambandha Laghu Tula I make no guarantees for the efficacy of these and only a few were entirely already stated clearly in the yoga sutras themselves. In many cases as for personality qualities different adverbs carry different slants of meaning for instance anukampana means something like empathy and karuna means something like pity. Furthermore, since Patanjali says such qualities such as friendliness can be developed but doesn't exactly say which ones then ostensably such qualities as peacefulness, blissfulness, truthfulness, etc can also be developed from within. One might say well I am friendly why should I practice a sutra for friendliness? The answer will be something like this, when doing the sutra friendliness will pervade not just the personality but also the cells of the body making them work together in harmony. Also, two sides of brain will coordinate better, etc. Friendliness can work in many ways besides interpersonally. Or so the theory goes. The same thing goes for other sutras. Better people that I have tried to describe them. Maharishi's point in this technique is that each sutra stiches together yoga or union with yes kaivalya being the goal. However, do his techniques work or not? I don't know. They rarely work for me. When I practiced the sanskrit version they engage my awareness more than the English and that alone makes them seem to work better. Some like Kurma Nadyam which produces stillness and steadfastness really seem to work sometimes whereas their English counterpart never seem to function. I believe therefore that Maharishi is a shuckster. I think the only real reason his sutras are in different languages and not Sanskrit is because he is no Sanskrit scholar and noone can exactly translate Sanskrit (many version of YS exist but none seem to be very good). If this was a book review I would say of TM Sutras that they are a simplistic detective story with little plot and not much in the way of engaging characters. Others will complain and raise a fit for this post and say they are the best thing that ever happened to them. But is a doctor or construction worker or suited businessman really an expert on yoga who can say these are the proper techniques for sure? I think not and for myself the proof in the pudding is that noone is yogically levitating from Maharishi's sutras after thirty years of the teachings. I think they perhaps have a benefit but not $5000.00 US dollars worth. Luckily mine were covered by student loan when I was an MIU student (before the name changed to MUM - Tax reasons?) This is my take. I could give you all Maharishi's theory why the sutras are so great and all but since they don't really work up to description the theory must also be faulty. Wll, simply put the theory is this, TM takes one to samadhi, the sutras are like acting within samadhi and garnishing the suport of nature. This has two effects, one is that samadhi becomes more stable, the other is that one can judge one's enlightenment by how well they work. ______________ I have meditated for twenty years or more and still have the same problems. I haven't changed my personality at all. I have been looking into tantra for the ability to work on my personality and change my basic personality so that I can change my samskaras. This is the point of Buddhist tantras like Kalachakra. In them one identifies with idealized aspects of personality which take the form of enlightened deities full of compassion. This is the generation stage of Buddhist tantra. TM has become a full blown Vedic affair with Maharishi plagarizing all streams of Vedic knowledge but yet it leaves me cold. As in the Vedic culture priests perform the rituals - yagyas, and one gives dakshina, etc, supposedly according to MMY study of jyotish, sanskrit, ayurveda, pulse diagnosis etc all help one's mental growth towards enlightenment, and to the degree that any study of liberation is itself liberating then yes it's true. But it still leaves me in the same boat again and again. ______________ I had a question and it is this - are there any techniques that one can do from the state of samadhi that are not like Maharishi or Chopra? Chopra has one use words like Amritam (bliss technique) and Devatup (primordial sound) after meditating. The basic premise of performing some action after settling the mind in awareness I think is sound, that the technique is more powerful then, it's just what technique would be best to do therefrom. Does anyone have any ideas? I know that Nyasas, and kavachams are probably good. But they are not enough. What I want is something that will just basically pummel my brain with consciousness. I think that TM Sidhis are supposed to do this but just aren't the real techniques as Patanjali would have known them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maharishi 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 A teacher on the TM-Sidhi program told me that the TM-Sidhi program is about provoking Kundalini by doing Pranayama exercises. In the state of mind that is created then, the sutras are repeated and when the sutras melt with Pure Consciousness, they bring about a certain effect. Chopra now has a similar program that is called "Seduction of Spirit" program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c309 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2011 be curious to know what chopra's 28 sutra's are and if they are in sanskrit or not. anybody know them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sudarsha 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2012 I learned the so called "sidhi" programme from Mahesh when I was with the International Staff in 1976. The "programme" caused a lot of distress and I finally stopped doing it. Later I undertook to make a translation of the Yoga Sutras just out of curiosity! At first I tried to make the translation work out like Mahesh had explained the third section of the text. But that didn't work well. There were just too many places and words that had to be really bent out of shape to even come close to Mahesh's version. So I just took each sutra on its own, beginning with the first one "now yoga is explaines" and worked, one by one, from there. The yoga sutras explain what to do and how to do it and it's nothing like Mahesh's explanation. The sutras, in the third section, are much more like ko'ans in Japanese Zen - they are tools for understanding meditation as taught and explained in the first two sections. Mahesh's "famous" flying sutra has, for example, nothing to do with flying but is about moving unencumbered through "space" - in this case one's life ... you move effortlessly through your life because you have let go of the burdens of past and future, of wishing things were otherwise than they are, of preoccupation with preconceived notions about how things ought to be. Mahesh made a lot of money but didn't actually sell anything worthwhile except returning to the object of meditation "as easily as" you experience any thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
