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Samia · 05-24-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RadheyRadhey108

So... where'd you get your degree in psychology? Or, are you a neuro-surgeon?

A degree is hardly required to understand survival instinct and basic sexuality, we are talking about 8th grade science and a small dose of basic common sense.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-24-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Samia

A degree is hardly required to understand survival instinct and basic sexuality, we are talking about 8th grade science and a small dose of basic common sense.

To diagnose if someone has an organic brain disorder? Wow... 8th grade students must have advanced a lot since when I was in 8th grade, if they are now able to diagnose brain disorders like that!

indulekhadasi · 05-24-2008, 11:32 PM

I think we are all crazy in this material world, homosexual or heterosexual. We all have impure desires.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-24-2008, 11:38 PM

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I think we are all crazy in this material world, homosexual or heterosexual. We all have impure desires.

Well said, Indulekha Ji. Who are we to judge if our impurities are more pure than others' impurities just b/c we consider them more 'natural'?

indulekhadasi · 05-24-2008, 11:41 PM

Again, this does not free homosexuals from their impurities. We are ALL impure. We all have lusty desires. Therefore Theist was right. Your example about Lord Rama didn't really meet my needs, because loving the Lord is different from lusty relationships of the material world.
We are all FILLED WITH IMPURITIES.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-24-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by indulekhadasi

Your example about Lord Rama didn't really meet my needs, because loving the Lord is different from lusty relationships of the material world.

Theist asked for an example of homosexuality in one of the Lord's lilas... I wouldn't have brought it up had he not asked.

But, I do agree... desire for God is nothing even comparable to earthly desire (whether hertero- or homosexual).

indulekhadasi · 05-24-2008, 11:46 PM

I think what he wanted was an example of two mortals in the Lord's lila that got attracted to each other (but not the the Lord, I mean getting attracted to another mortal). I don't really know.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-24-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by indulekhadasi

I think what he wanted was an example of two mortals in the Lord's lila that got attracted to each other (but not the the Lord, I mean getting attracted to another mortal). I don't really know.

I'm not exactly sure what he was asking for either... so I supplied him w/ that example (since there are some rather homosexual overtones in the story).

Samia · 05-24-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RadheyRadhey108

To diagnose if someone has an organic brain disorder? Wow... 8th grade students must have advanced a lot since when I was in 8th grade, if they are now able to diagnose brain disorders like that!

Diagnosis is hardly required. To make it a little easier to understand male and female coupling results in the possibility of childbirth and thus the species continues to exist. Male and male coupling will never result in childbirth which leads to the end of species.
So that presents 2 options a defect or a choice and if you look at any research what so ever attraction really has very little if anything to do with choice.
Since I know your next replay I will point out that male and female couples do have sex for reasons other than childbirth which is wrong in the eyes of people of faith but hardly an unnatural attraction.
Quit being obstinate.

indulekhadasi · 05-25-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RadheyRadhey108

I'm not exactly sure what he was asking for either... so I supplied him w/ that example (since there are some rather homosexual overtones in the story).

In my limited understanding, that cannot be considered homosexuality. This is the natural attraction every single human being in the entire universe has for the Supreme Lord whether they are male or female. In the sastras there have been examples of people wanting to taste the Lord through their mouth and drink Him through their eyes etc. This cannot exactly be called homosexuality. This is natural love for the Lord and it occurs no matter in what body one may be in.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-25-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Samia

Diagnosis is hardly required. To make it a little easier to understand male and female coupling results in the possibility of childbirth and thus the species continues to exist. Male and male coupling will never result in childbirth which leads to the end of species.
So that presents 2 options a defect or a choice and if you look at any research what so ever attraction really has very little if anything to do with choice.

How about it's just their preference? We can't prove it's a defect, and most would deny it's a choice... so lets just leave it at "preference".

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Since I know your next replay I will point out that male and female couples do have sex for reasons other than childbirth which is wrong in the eyes of people of faith but hardly an unnatural attraction.

Not wrong in the eyes of all people of faith.

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Quit being obstinate.

Give me a shastra explicitly condemning it and I will.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-25-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by indulekhadasi

In my limited understanding, that cannot be considered homosexuality. This is the natural attraction every single human being in the entire universe has for the Supreme Lord whether they are male or female. In the sastras there have been examples of people wanting to taste the Lord through their mouth and drink Him through their eyes etc. This cannot exactly be called homosexuality. This is natural love for the Lord and it occurs no matter in what body one may be in.

I agree... the question of sexuality should be left out of the Lord's Lilas. However, I'm not the one that asked the question in the first place... I just answered it.

However, I dare say that the Lila I mentioned is just as homosexual as the Rasa Lila is heterosexual... and that the holy sages (while in the body) were just as homosexual as the Gopikas (while manifesting in bodies) were heterosexual.

Samia · 05-25-2008, 12:31 AM

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How about it's just their preference? We can't prove it's a defect, and most would deny it's a choice... so lets just leave it at "preference".

You asked about my education so I will ask about yours. Preference is an indication of choice thus not fitting in your argument. Also it is clearly proven it is a defect as the main reason for coupling is reproduction.

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Not wrong in the eyes of all people of faith.

Sure, I mean Pagans believe you can spill seed and trees will grow

I mean God bless them in their beliefs but most faiths preach sex for reproduction just alot of people choose to ignore that instruction.

theist · 05-25-2008, 01:10 AM

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I'm not exactly sure what he was asking for either... so I supplied him w/ that example (since there are some rather homosexual overtones in the story).

This was my point. THERE ARE NO HOMOSEXUAL OVERTONES IN KRISHNA LILA!!! You hear such overtones because you want them to exist but that is your particular illusion.

theist · 05-25-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RadheyRadhey108

I agree... the question of sexuality should be left out of the Lord's Lilas. However, I'm not the one that asked the question in the first place... I just answered it.

However, I dare say that the Lila I mentioned is just as homosexual as the Rasa Lila is heterosexual... and that the holy sages (while in the body) were just as homosexual as the Gopikas (while manifesting in bodies) were heterosexual.

This is just truly bizarre.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-25-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Samia