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Old 05-23-2008, 05:04 PM   #61
 
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But He didn't fulfill their desire right there and then! Why didn't He? That is my question. Why did He make His dear devotees wait to become gopis, before enjoying with Them?
B/c He was already married to Sita Devi. He didn't fulfill the desires of Vaishno Devi for the same reason.
But, no matter what, it is an example of homosexuality in one of Lord Krishna's incarnations and He still accepted them and their loving devotion for what it was.

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A loving relationship with Krishna is Natural. In this unnatural material world following the prescribed laws of nature as ordained by Krishna is the natural way that evidentually leads back to the Natural.

Homosexuality is unnatural in either sphere.
If the material world is unnatural in itself, then what's wrong w/ being 'unnatural' in an unnatural world? Especially when Lord Krishna hasn't said anything on the issue?

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Remember Radhey, what we do now is the perverted reflection of what Krishna does. Love has turned to lust in many cases.

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The difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is that we don't know if homosexuality is considered 'deviant' by God


Actually the way our reproductive organs are is all the proof that is needed. Sex is for reproduction, and yes I know it feels good and that is part of the design as well, if sex was painful like hitting your hand with a nailgun the species would cease to exist.
It was far more natural for males to reproduce with younger girls who had hit puberty and could give birth when human lifespans were 30 or so years. there are still countries that have legal child brides. Now the moralist in me finds child brides to be disgusting but it is more in bounds with nature than gay lifestyles are.
Gays have a defect in thier brain, now should that mean they can not marry ? In my opinion no it doesn`t I mean we allow people with retardation to marry so lets be fair.
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Actually the way our reproductive organs are is all the proof that is needed. Sex is for reproduction, and yes I know it feels good and that is part of the design as well, if sex was painful like hitting your hand with a nailgun the species would cease to exist.
It was far more natural for males to reproduce with younger girls who had hit puberty and could give birth when human lifespans were 30 or so years. there are still countries that have legal child brides. Now the moralist in me finds child brides to be disgusting but it is more in bounds with nature than gay lifestyles are.
Gays have a defect in thier brain, now should that mean they can not marry ? In my opinion no it doesn`t I mean we allow people with retardation to marry so lets be fair.
Well, at least you agree that they should be able to have the right to love who they want (although I must disagree about child brides being more natural).

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If the material world is unnatural in itself, then what's wrong w/ being 'unnatural' in an unnatural world? Especially when Lord Krishna hasn't said anything on the issue?

You missed the point of that post also. Because you don't want to give up this false idea of being gay you will always miss the point.

No offense but going in circles with you is a waste of time. Do what you want I don't care. Just don't do ridiculous things in Krishna's name.

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B/c He was already married to Sita Devi. He didn't fulfill the desires of Vaishno Devi for the same reason.
But, no matter what, it is an example of homosexuality in one of Lord Krishna's incarnations and He still accepted them and their loving devotion for what it was.

Here is a perfect example of twisting Krishna lila into something profrane. You are speaking totally on the bodily platform. Loving God in conjugal rasa has nothing to do with being in a male body. To do this you have approach the Lord in a female form, NOT A FEMALE PHYSICAL BODY necessarily, but in the inner mood of a female and with a spiritual body.

You are claiming that Rama would have had homosexual elations except for His marriage to Sita. You are saying that the Lord has loving exchanges based on the gender of the stool-bag body. That is extremely foul and offensive.

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Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle. Pedophila is also a deviant lifestyle. No I am not equating the two except they are both deviations. Should we not consider pedophilia deviant because it might hurt someones feeling?
There have been studies that prove sex is psychologically damaging for children. So, we know pedophilia is wrong. Such is not the case for homosexuality.

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There have been studies that prove sex is psychologically damaging for children. So, we know pedophilia is wrong. Such is not the case for homosexuality.

Well since homosexuality is a defect in the brain the damage already exists.
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I never knew that both Theist and Radheyradhey would start to fight. This seems to be crossing the border of a difference of opinion and into a fight. A kind reminder to everyone that this is a spiritual forum not a bickering forum. You may not agree with each other, but it proper to respect each other as Vaishnavas.
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You missed the point of that post also. Because you don't want to give up this false idea of being gay you will always miss the point.
Theist, I'm not gay. I just think they should have equal rights. Especially since our government *claims* to be secular and have a division of church and state (which it isn't showing by not allowing homosexuals to marry).
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Just don't do ridiculous things in Krishna's name.
You're the one making statements about what Krishna does and doesn't want without the basis of Shastra. I've asked you to give me a specific quote from Shastra officially denouncing homosexuality as sinful, and you haven't provided one. That'd be because there isn't one.

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Well since homosexuality is a defect in the brain the damage already exists.
What is organically different between a homosexual's brain and a heterosexual's brain? If there isn't one, then how can you prove that their brains are damaged?

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Here is a perfect example of twisting Krishna lila into something profrane. You are speaking totally on the bodily platform. Loving God in conjugal rasa has nothing to do with being in a male body. To do this you have approach the Lord in a female form, NOT A FEMALE PHYSICAL BODY necessarily, but in the inner mood of a female and with a spiritual body.
You are claiming that Rama would have had homosexual elations except for His marriage to Sita. You are saying that the Lord has loving exchanges based on the gender of the stool-bag body. That is extremely foul and offensive.
Hey, you're the one that asked for an example of homosexuality in Krishna-Lila. I gave you one from Ram-Lila. Don't ask questions like that if you don't want answers.

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I never knew that both Theist and Radheyradhey would start to fight. This seems to be crossing the border of a difference of opinion and into a fight. A kind reminder to everyone that this is a spiritual forum not a bickering forum. You may not agree with each other, but it proper to respect each other as Vaishnavas.
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I respect him as a fellow Vaishnava. I'm not too big on his social opinions, but I still respect him as a Vaishnava.

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What is organically different between a homosexual's brain and a heterosexual's brain? If there isn't one, then how can you prove that their brains are damaged?

There are several researchers that have shown some base brain differences Simon LeVay being one of the most often attacked. There is also the common sense factor in play man+woman=children man+man or woman+woman = end of species. Survival of species is one of the core,basic, primal functions of the brain and when this doesn`t exist one can pretty easily assume that the brain is not working properly.
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I never knew that both Theist and Radheyradhey would start to fight. This seems to be crossing the border of a difference of opinion and into a fight. A kind reminder to everyone that this is a spiritual forum not a bickering forum. You may not agree with each other, but it proper to respect each other as Vaishnavas.
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There is no fight, only disagreement. On this issue there is no ground to compromise. Hrydayanada wanted Iskcon to introduce gay marriages in Iskcon. This sort of deviant mentality must be challenged strongly. Prabhupada clearly wrote it is demonic for a male to desire a male in that way so it has no place in his Iskcon.

Homosexuals can chant and dance, eat prasadam and read Bhagavad-gita so what is the problem? My rejecting the homosex lifestyle has no effect on their ability to engage in spiritual practice so why in the hell are they pushing their lifestyle onto everyone? No one wants to hear about their sexual practices.
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