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indulekhadasi · 05-22-2008, 06:43 PM

Oh, I see.
But you must have your guru is not just straight, he is A REAL SADHU. Surely you must have been associating with him through his vani?

bija · 05-22-2008, 06:48 PM

Yes Indu

He is the kindest, most loving person, who changed my life. His bhakti is evident!! He is my guide and hope in this miserable world.

I was referring to the general people I meet day to day, none of us are straight as far as I can tell - even if we sprout a thousand words of sastra our hearts are still full of desires. Then again I can only speak for myself.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mahak

I actually accept the notion of third gender, based on the fact that such a gender was created from the very beginning of time.

I have years of experiance as a civilian working with the military. The military is a large microcosm of the whole population. Therefore, the notion of "no gays in the military" is ludicrous, has no bearing on morale, fighting ability, etc. However, the reason that the military is taking a severe stand is not because of homosexuals in the military. Their stance is in response to the aggressive and pompous freaks that want their sexual perversion to be noted in a big way. The military KNOWS the contribution of homos who serve, because over 10% of those who fought WWII were gay, and we won that last righteous war in a big way. But morale is definitely hurt when some want rights that they do not deserve, because a hetero does not have the RIGHT to brag about his wife of the opposite gender and the missionary position they employ for their sexual activity. In fact, I fully support the military's stance on sexual harassment, and those who want to have open gay relationships in the military violate every sexual harassment law in regard to the effect on "third party". The result of sexual harassment is faulty performance and a hostile working environhment. If a gay person wants EQUAL rights, then they shoulod jkeep their sexual preference private just as the heteros are required to do. MPs bust strip bars and gay bars equally. I know many MPs, NIS, NIA, DIA and other investigastive agencies, and they never singled out gays, ever. Only perverts who chose to harm the military by engaging in sexual harassment, a criminal activity. Mere sexual preference is a protected class by law, but obscenity is a crime, hetero or homo not withstanding.

Bill Clinton is an idiot (and genocidal fascist, too, but thats another discussion). His "dont ask, dont tell" policy is the most ridiculous pandering to perverts ever by a sitting president (next to supporting Pol Pot just because he hated the Viet Cong). Dont ask dont tell has been the official policy of the defense department ever since Valley Forge where the Hessians huddled together to keep warm awaiting the red coats.

I agree. Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to form romantic relationships in the military just as heterosexual men and women aren't allowed to form romantic relationships in the military. What they do outside of it is fine w/ me... but I don't think they should be able to do so inside (since that's the going rule).

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bija

I'd be just as upset with a 'straight parade' or a holiday for straight people to celebrate being straight.
by radhey

I don't think I have ever met a straight person. (maybe I have not met a sadhu in person yet).

Surely you've met at least one heterosexual person!

Right?

indulekhadasi · 05-22-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bija

Yes Indu

He is the kindest, most loving person, who changed my life. His bhakti is evident!! He is my guide and hope in this miserable world.

I was referring to the general people I meet day to day, none of us are straight as far as I can tell - even if we sprout a thousand words of sastra our hearts are still full of desires. Then again I can only speak for myself.

I am the most crooked person you could ever meet, still you have been so kind to a fallen soul like me. I am greatful.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bija

I have not met him 'in person' Indu. I know he is real by the fruit in my life - unfortunately some on this forum think differently.

I have never been to India. And can't see myself getting there too soon, even though I have been asked to go. Maybe next birth!

I'm sure your guru is wonderful if a devout soul like you is his disciple

bija · 05-22-2008, 07:03 PM

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Surely you've met at least one heterosexual person!

Right? by Radhey

On this forum I would probably get flamed for quoting Jesus (he is not vedic right)

'those of you without sin cast the first stone'

purport: those of you who have not integrated the shadow often throw stones. Fear.

I see myself as a micrcosm of the Macrocosm. So what exists in me exists in It (and vice versa). Even though I am individual jiva nothing is seperate from me (inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference). So the conglomerate illusory potency also exists within my body - all has been there.

The way I see things Radhey we have been transmigrating in various bodies for a 'hell' of a long time. And that effects so much accumulation in the subtle body...the seeds of sin can even be lying dormant for many births...and can sprout unexpectedly to teach us humility. Eternity is a long time.

'judge not or you will be judged the same'

All I am saying is we should tread carefully...justice is a strange entity!

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bija

On this forum I would probably get flamed for quoting Jesus (he is not vedic right)

'those of you without sin cast the first stone'

purport: those of you who have not integrated the shadow often throw stones. Fear.

I see myself as a micrcosm of the Macrocosm. So what exists in me exists in It (and vice versa). Even though I am individual jiva nothing is seperate from me (inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference). So the conglomerate illusory potency also exists within my body - all has been there.

The way I see things Radhey we have been transmigrating in various bodies for a 'hell' of a long time. And that effects so much accumulation in the subtle body...the seeds of sin can even be lying dormant for many births...and can sprout unexpectedly to teach us humility. Eternity is a long time.

'judge not or you will be judged the same'

All I am saying is we should tread carefully...justice is a strange entity!

Okay

I get what you're saying now

Good point!
Oh... and... no need to worry. I won't flame you for quoting Jesus

I like him as well.

bija · 05-22-2008, 07:24 PM

Here is a tangent:

I like shopping for beautiful devotional things.

Found this the other day...beautiful Tulsi Mala.

http://www.yogabasics.com/japamalabeads/index.html

http://www.yogabasics.com/japamalabeads/tulsiMala.html

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 07:28 PM

OMG... you don't know how weird this is! I've been looking for a nice, smooth Tulasi Mala to buy all day! Thank you!

bija · 05-22-2008, 07:30 PM

lol...Jai Nitaai!!!

good price too

I ordered a wrist mala (not tulsi) so I can do some sneaky jaap around town.

RadheyRadhey108 · 05-22-2008, 07:36 PM

Hahahaha

Sneaking around, singing Hare Krishna!

bija · 05-22-2008, 08:31 PM

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integrate: make into a whole or make part of a whole

theist · 05-22-2008, 09:52 PM

Well no I don't I am happy to do it.

Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle. Pedophila is also a deviant lifestyle. No I am not equating the two except they are both deviations. Should we not consider pedophilia deviant because it might hurt someones feeling?

Just because something exists does not mean it's natural. Are there any gurus in the GV line who are homosexuals? I don't know just nevert heard of one.

Any example of homosexuality in any of the rasa's with Krishna?

Any descriptions in the scriptures about homosexuality in Vaikuntha?

Tell you anything?

bija · 05-22-2008, 10:12 PM

5. Gauranga-nagaris: rasabhasa bhaktas
"From the life of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, an intelligent person engaged in pure devotional service can understand that He always felt separation from Krishna within Himself. In that separation He sometimes felt that He had found Krishna and was enjoying the meeting. The significance of this separation and meeting is very specific. If someone tries to understand the exalted position of Lord Caitanya without knowing this, he is sure to misunderstand it. One must first become fully self-realized. Otherwise he may misidentify the Lord as nagara, or the enjoyer of the damsels of Vraja, thus committing the mistake of rasabhasa, or overlapping understanding." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 4.106, Purport)
The gauranga-nagaris are quite prominent in Bengal and Bangladesh. Outwardly, they appear as regular Bengali vaishnavas, but there is a subtle sahajiya contamination in their conception of Lord Caitanya's mood of devotion. Thus their position is strongly refuted by the acaryas of the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya, even though other aspects of this sect may seem praiseworthy: like staunch vaishnavas, they wear tilak and neck beads, are good kirtan performers and strictly abstain from flesh and fish.
In his purport to Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.23.31, Srila Prabhupada focuses on the sahajiya contamination that the gauranga-nagaris represent:
"Sometimes the sahajiya class of devotees are interested only in Krishna's personal pastimes to the exclusion of the activities of the devotees."
But such an attitude can only baffle the attempt to comprehend the person and activities of Sri Caitanya Mahapabhu, for Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 1.14 states:

panca-tattvatmakam krsnam
bhakta-rupa-svarupakam
bhaktavatarm bhaktakhyam
namami bhakta-saktikam

"I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Krishna, who is non-different from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee and devotional energy."
The gauranga-nagaris are not interested in Lord Caitanya as a devotee, or in His five features as the Sri Panca-Tattva. They desire to relate to Lord Caitanya as Krishna Himself, particularly as lampat (yatha-tathava vidhadhatu-lampato: "He is a debauchee, so it is His nature to do as He likes"). They style Him as nagara, and themselves as nagari.
The gauranga-nagari doctrine is very briefly and yet very completely explained by Srila Prabhupada in several purports of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. A few relevant quotes are as follows.
"...the gaura-nagaris, who place Lord Caitanya in the position of enjoyer and themselves as His enjoyed, are not approved by Lord Caitanya or by Lord Caitanya's followers. Instead of being blessed, the foolish imitators are left completely apart. Their concoctions are against the principles of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The doctrine of transcendental enjoyment by Krishna cannot be mixed up with the doctrine of transcendental feeling of separation from Krishna in the role of Radharani." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 4.41, purport)
"Doctrines like those of the nadiya-nagaris, a class of so-called devotees, are never presented by authorized persons like Svarupa Damodara or the six Gosvamis. The ideas of the nadiya-nagaris are simply mental concoction, and they are completely on the mental platform." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 4.107, purport)
"...a so-called party of devotees named nadiya-nagari has sprung up and introduced the worship of Vishnupriya. This certainly indicates ignorance of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's pastimes. In the opinion of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, such worship is a product of the imagination." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 14.7, purport)

Refuting the Gauranga-nagari Doctrine
In Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 1.5, Lord Caitanya is described as radha-bhava-dyuti-suvalita, "adorned with the mood and luster of Srimati Radharani." Nowhere in any revealed scripture is He said to be krsna-bhava-dyuti-suvalita, "adorned with the mood and luster of Sri Krishna," which would support the gauranga-nagari conception. Spokesmen of this apasampradaya not only say that Lord Caitanya exhibited Krishna's enjoying mood, they claim further that Vishnupriya-devi, the Lord's second wife, is Srimati Radharani, and that her close female friends are gopis. But as Srila Vrindavan das Thakur makes clear in Sri Caitanya-bhagavata, Vishnupriya-devi is actually Bhu-sakti, a form of Laksmi. The wives, mothers and daughters of Lord Gauranga's associates in Nadia attend Vishnupriya in her bathing and dressing exactly as the maidservants of Lakmiji serve Her in Vaikuntha-dhama. Their mood is different from the mood of the damsels of Vrindavan.
Sri Caitanya Bhagavata is also very clear about Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's extreme gravity in His dealings with women -- even with His own wives, what to speak of other women. He never so much as looked at the village girls of Nadia, let alone smile or talk to them. But in the tradition of the sahajiyas, the gauranga-nagaris have invented offensive myths about Lord Caitanya's supposed love affairs with a mistress named Kancana and other fictional consor