Time Magazine’s Most Influential Leader

suchandra · 05-07-2008, 10:21 AM

Well yes, once again TIME magazine foolishly promotes mayavada philosophy. The Vaishnavas should in return explain them what actually is Buddhism and at least target to globally establish that Buddhism means to stop killing the cows.

from: http://www.essentialspirit.com/archives/151

H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama Time Magazine’s Most Influential Leader

Filed Under Tibet, Commentary | Posted on May 4, 2008

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama has been named Time Magazine’s most influential leader in the “Leaders and Revolutionaries” category. Deepak Chopra’s essay that accompanies the distinction notes,

He and his people have struggled all their lives with the audacity of hopelessness. Oppression and exile are their daily bread. Yet the Dalai Lama, 72, remains calm in the face of cruelty. What does he think of the human race? “We are the superior species on Earth but also the biggest troublemakers,” he once told me.

In the Leaders and Revolutionaries category, His Holiness edged out:
2. Vladimir Putin, Russian Prime Minister
3. Barack Obama, U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate
4. Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate
5. John McCain, U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate
6. Hu Jintao, President, People’s Republic of China
7. George W. Bush, U.S. President
8. Jacob Zuma, African National Congress Chair
9. Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysian Politician
10. Kevin Rudd, Australian Prime Minister
The other categories and the “winners” in those categories are:
Heroes and Pioneers: Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie, actors and human rights activists
Scientists and Thinkers: Michael Bloomberg, New York City Mayor
Artists and Entertainers: Lorne Michaels, creator and producer of Saturday Night Live

Builders and Titans: Indra Nooyi, PepsiCo CEO

Kulapavana · 05-15-2008, 01:21 PM

I thought it was this one

Time Magazine, 1938
Man of the Year: Adolf Hitler

bija · 05-16-2008, 02:43 AM

thats pretty oddball comparison....

by the way...was Hitler a vegetarian

?

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

Amlesh · 05-16-2008, 04:18 AM

For me it's Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
No leader can be equal to him in recent times.

Kulapavana · 05-16-2008, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bija

thats pretty oddball comparison....

by the way...was Hitler a vegetarian

?

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

the title of the thread is: Time Magazine’s Most Influential Leader

at various points in history Time picked world leaders to be their "Man of the Year". if I am not mistaken, Hitler got that title twice (1933 and 1938) or at least in 1933 he made the cover of Time Magazine as one of the most important people of the time.

The point is that just making the cover of the magazine or earning some coveted title is not a true measure of a person.

Btw. Hitler was only a partial vegetarian for health reasons, but he had an authentic admiration for the Vedic culture, shared by many German intellectuals and social activists. No Western country or government before or after that took seriously the Vedas and it's wisdom. Point lost on many devotees.

theist · 05-16-2008, 10:35 AM

Hitler was not a vegetarian. His favorite food was Bavarian sausage.

bija · 05-16-2008, 06:11 PM

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The Vaishnavas should in return explain them what actually is Buddhism and at least target to globally establish that Buddhism means to stop killing the cows. by suchandra

thx kula

Sorry for my sarcasm, I realised being on a Time front cover does not measure the moral greatness of a man. I have read a thread at Audarya Fellowship that the Dalai Lama is not vegetarian. When I first met tibetan buddhists I was surprised at the time that their cookbook was mostly meat dishes.

As Hare Krsna people we have a moral compass that meat eating is wrong. The point I was hoping to bring out is that culturally many think differently. When I was young man I went toThailand in search of monastic life (buddhism). And presumed the country would be vegetarian also. How wrong was I! They ate alot of meat, insects, all sorts of things...

I still cant figure how a non-violet approach to life like buddhism can sit down at meal and eat meat!

From the link I posted it seems Hitler used to be a meat eater, and gradually changed to vegetarianism. But ofcourse the link I posted could be poorly researched.

bija · 05-16-2008, 07:14 PM

Ten years ago I was unemployed and a government scheme basically moved me into work in the animal slaughter industry.

It was an islamic kill slaughter house, I was next in line on the chain to the muslim slaughterman. He would slice the cows throat with a sharp knife. We were killing 300-500 cows perday and 3000 sheep. Each night I would take shower covered in blood, even my under-wear would be red.

I worked there for three months. After that I became vegetarian by the grace of devotees.

The buddhist or muslim can justify sanctified killing for various reasons. But from my experience no mass killing and suffering is justified to soothe the palate, when we can produce grains, vegetables, milk products etc with much less violence.

I have worked in various cow-industry over the years. The area I live is rural. Cows are beautiful and they are fully conscious. Milking cows is a pleasure, by showing them affection they remember you, each time they come around on the rotary machine. One jersey cow I used to 'pat' with affection always turned and greated me each day. Beautiful calm eyes!

The eyes of the animals in the slaughter house are maddened in fear!

theist · 05-16-2008, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bija

Ten years ago I was unemployed and a government scheme basically moved me into work in the animal slaughter industry.

It was an islamic kill slaughter house, I was next in line on the chain to the muslim slaughterman. He would slice the cows throat with a sharp knife. We were killing 300-500 cows perday and 3000 sheep. Each night I would take shower covered in blood, even my under-wear would be red.

I worked there for three months. After that I became vegetarian by the grace of devotees.

The buddhist or muslim can justify sanctified killing for various reasons. But from my experience no mass killing and suffering is justified to soothe the palate, when we can produce grains, vegetables, milk products etc with much less violence.

I have worked in various cow-industry over the years. The area I live is rural. Cows are beautiful and they are fully conscious. Milking cows is a pleasure, by showing them affection they remember you, each time they come around on the rotary machine. One jersey cow I used to 'pat' with affection always turned and greated me each day. Beautiful calm eyes!

The eyes of the animals in the slaughter house are maddened in fear!

OMG bija!!!!!!!!!!

Just see how far you've come. Your at the top here for being most gentle.

theist · 05-16-2008, 07:37 PM

The fact is the Dalai Lama has huge influence. Imagine if he could turned to vegetarianism on the basis of compassion. So many hundreds of thousands would follow his example.

I know he has flirted with the idea.

bija · 05-16-2008, 08:13 PM

He should Theist!!!

By the way mate, I am still struggling in a material cesspool. Give me your hand please and pull me out....

bija · 05-17-2008, 01:13 AM

Actually Theist I had a hard time of getting out of that job...

I cut my thumb open oneday and had the rest of the day off after the stitches went in. The next day the owner confronted me for the half day off...by Krsna's grace I got out of that prison.

Often still look at the huge scar on my thumb and wonder why...why such karma. That's a scary thought...

AncientMariner · 05-17-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kulapavana

I thought it was this one

Time Magazine, 1938
Man of the Year: Adolf Hitler

I have worked with a 72 year old man who is a German-Jew and he told me that he once took a class in college and they compared the speeches of Hitler and FDR and the class basically could not tell the difference between them.

AncientMariner · 05-17-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulapavana

the title of the thread is: Time Magazine’s Most Influential Leader

at various points in history Time picked world leaders to be their "Man of the Year". if I am not mistaken, Hitler got that title twice (1933 and 1938) or at least in 1933 he made the cover of Time Magazine as one of the most important people of the time.

The point is that just making the cover of the magazine or earning some coveted title is not a true measure of a person.

Btw. Hitler was only a partial vegetarian for health reasons, but he had an authentic admiration for the Vedic culture, shared by many German intellectuals and social activists. No Western country or government before or after that took seriously the Vedas and it's wisdom. Point lost on many devotees.

I watched a show on the History Channel that said that Hitler got his ideas of the Aryan master race from some kind of crazy psychic lady who had a habit of mixing together different religous traditions and coming up with some real crazy ideas as a result.

suchandra · 05-18-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AncientMariner

I watched a show on the History Channel that said that Hitler got his ideas of the Aryan master race from some kind of crazy psychic lady who had a habit of mixing together different religous traditions and coming up with some real crazy ideas as a result.

They say it was Helena Petrovna Blavatsky who invented the whole concept and while living in India also selected the svastika as logo.