Will Saddam get a fair trial???

krsna · 10-19-2005, 09:57 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4355992.stm

theist · 10-19-2005, 12:09 PM

Not possible on earth. This is just a warm-up for Yama's court.

Sow Evil Reap Evil

krsna · 10-19-2005, 01:13 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म from the root kri, "to do", meaning deed) or Kamma (Pali: meaning action, effect, destiny) is a term in several Indian religions that comprises the entire cycle of cause and effect. Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done and is currently doing. The effects of those deeds actively create present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well.

The law of Karma is central in Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, & Jainism. (These religions were formed in India). All living creatures are responsible for their karma and for their salvation (or release from samsara). As a term, it can be traced back to the early Upanishads.

Karma in the Dharma-based religions

Hinduism

The concept of Karma, based on the Vedas and Upanishads was adopted by other religions such as Buddhism and Jainism. One of the first and most dramatic illustrations of Karma can be found in the great Hindu epic, the Mahabharata. The original Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several other movements within the religion, most notably Vedanta, and Tantra.

Karma literally means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction which governs all life. Karma is not fate, for man acts with free will creating his own destiny. According to the Vedas, if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other births.

It is considered an entirely impersonal and spiritually originated law that cannot be abrogated by any person. Karma is not punishment or retribution, but simply an extended expression of natural acts. The effects experienced are also able to be mitigated by actions and are not necessarily fateful. Societal groups like nations and their populations incur collective karma, and personalities incur individual karma.

‡Quoting Sai Baba concerning the removal of problems, disasters, calamities, etc. in reference to karma:

Any instant solution would go against the fundamental quality of nature itself as well as the Karmic law of cause and effect. Most people live in the material world of their desires and egos which is governed by the law. They reap the fruits of their actions. This brings about their evolution or devolution. If the Avatar intervenes to instantly solve their problems, it would stop all action, development, even evolution. This solution can be ruled out because it totally negates the natural laws.
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Three types
There are three types of karma,

sanchita karma, the sum total of past karmas yet to be resolved;
prarabdha karma, that portion of sanchita karma that is to be experienced in this life; and
kriyamana karma, the karma that humans are currently creating and will bear fruit in the future.
Karma in Hinduism differs from karma in Buddhism and Jainism, and involves the role of God.

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Buddhism
In Buddhism, only intentional actions are karmic "acts of will". The 'Law of Karma' refers to "cause and effect", but Karma literally means "action" - often indicating intent or cause. Accompanying this usually is a separate tenet called Vipaka, meaning result or effect. The re-action or effect can itself also influence an action, and in this way, the chain of causation continues ad infinitum. When Buddhists talk about karma, they are normally referring to karma/action that is 'tainted' with ignorance - karma that continues to ensure that the being remains in the everlasting cycle of samsara.

This samsaric karma comes in two 'flavors' - 'good' karma, which leads to positive/pleasurable experiences, like high rebirth (as a deva, asura, or human), and bad karma which leads to suffering and low rebirth (as a hell-sufferer, as a preta, or as an animal).

There is also a completely different type of karma that is neither good nor bad, but liberating. This karma allows for the individual to break the uncontrolled cycle of rebirth which always leads to suffering, and thereby leave samsara to permanently enter Nirvana.

The Buddhist sutras explain that in order to generate liberating karma, we must first develop incredibly powerful concentration, and proper insight into the (un)reality of samsara. This concentration is akin to the states of mind required to be reborn in the Deva realm, and in itself depends upon a very deep training in ethical self-discipline.

This differentiation between good karma and liberating karma has been used by some scholars to argue that the development of Tantra depended upon Buddhist ideas and philosophies.

Karma is related to the notion of Buddhist rebirth - sometimes understood to be the same thing as reincarnation - which has its roots in the principle of Karma.

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Western interpretation
An academic and religious definition was mentioned above. Although Karma cannot be proven as easily as the law of gravity, millions of people believe in it and is a part of many cultures and the psyches of millions of people. Others without religious backgrounds, especially in western cultures or with Christian upbringings, become convinced of the existence of Karma. For some, karma is a more reasonable concept than eternal damnation for the wicked. Spirituality or a belief that virtue is rewarded and sin creates suffering eventually leads to a belief in Karma.

According to Karma, performance of positive action results with the reaction of a good conditioning in one's experience, whereas a negative action results in a reaction of a bad response. This may be an immediate result following the act, or a delayed result occurring either in the present life or the next. Thus, meritorious acts may create rebirth into a higher station, such as a superior human being or a godlike being, while evil acts result in rebirth as a human living in less desirable circumstances, or as a lower animal. Some observers have compared the action of karma to Western notions of sin and judgment by God or gods, while others understand karma as an inherent principle of the Universe without the intervention of any supernatural Being. In Hinduism, God does play a role and is seen as a dispenser of karma; see Karma in Hinduism for more details. The latter understanding is accurate with regard to Buddhism and Jainism.

Most teachings say that for common mortals, having an involvement with Karma is an unavoidable part of day-to-day living. However, in light of the Hindu philosophical school of Vedanta, as well as Gautama Buddha's teachings, one is advised to either avoid, control or become mindful of the effects of desires and aversions as a way to moderate or change one's karma (or, more accurately, one's karmic results).

Kulapavana · 10-19-2005, 03:48 PM

why should he get a fair trial? did he give his victims fair trials?

hopefuly he will get a fair execution, which is a lot more than he gave his victims.

10-19-2005, 05:36 PM

His brutality is clear, but who needed him brutal will never be admitted. He is known as the balance of power, the minority force that kept civli war between shiites and sunnis and kurds at bay.

He will not be tried for what really made him the enemy of the world of corporate capitalism. Like Stalin, his brutal hero, he hates equally brutal national socialism and corporate fascism. His crime was his desire to flood the world market with cheap oil, destroying OPEC, destroying World Trade (not WTC, but the whole economic brutality produced by corporate fascists), destroying our (USA) way of life. His desire to unearth the truth about ancient mesopotamia will never be known at his trial, nor will anyone ever question why the US stood by while Saddams enemies destroyed irreplacible artifascts from the libraries and museums of Bhagdad.

Saddam is another kali yuga king, another King Vena, but no different than the Bush crime families, the Kennedys, the Hitler perverts, the Stalinists. He is put forth for the ten-minute hate described by George Orwell in 1984, but those who know the story, the enemy produced by Big Brother for everyone to hate, pablum for the masses, was none other that Big Brother Himself.

Or, as marlon brando said to George C. Scott in the 1979 movie about oil fanaticism, "Dont you understand? We are the Arabs!"

Bring on Lord Boar, Hiranyaksa has taken many shapes, russian, akkadian, arab, phoenician, indo-european, redneckian, oriental.

Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

10-19-2005, 08:15 PM

is there such a thing as TRUCKMA
its definately gotta be much bigger results

theist · 10-19-2005, 11:08 PM

Vanguard · 10-20-2005, 09:54 AM

mahaksadasa wins the thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

krsna · 10-20-2005, 01:59 PM

Who can write like this unless totally inspired and redolent in the ecstasies of mahabhava?:

"His brutality is clear, but who needed him brutal will never be admitted. He is known as the balance of power, the minority force that kept civli war between shiites and sunnis and kurds at bay.

He will not be tried for what really made him the enemy of the world of corporate capitalism. Like Stalin, his brutal hero, he hates equally brutal national socialism and corporate fascism. His crime was his desire to flood the world market with cheap oil, destroying OPEC, destroying World Trade (not WTC, but the whole economic brutality produced by corporate fascists), destroying our (USA) way of life. His desire to unearth the truth about ancient mesopotamia will never be known at his trial, nor will anyone ever question why the US stood by while Saddams enemies destroyed irreplacible artifascts from the libraries and museums of Bhagdad."

Saddam is another kali yuga king, another King Vena, but no different than the Bush crime families, the Kennedys, the Hitler perverts, the Stalinists. He is put forth for the ten-minute hate described by George Orwell in 1984, but those who know the story, the enemy produced by Big Brother for everyone to hate, pablum for the masses, was none other that Big Brother Himself.