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From:. Gopalakrishnan Subramaniam < Date:. Sun.Mar.3,.2002. 12:22 pmSubject:.
Interview with the Qazi of Pakistani Jamaat
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BHARATIYA PRAGNADECEMBER 1999 NUMBER 1 VOLUME 6"Our motto is constant
Jihad"Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah KhanIn February, 1999, the "Jamhooria
Islamia", a monthly Baluchi magazine publishedfrom Panj-gar, published an
interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, aconfidant of and adviser to the
leader of one of the prominent Pakistani Islamicmilitant outfits,
Jamaat-e-Islami, which was conducted by Jalil Amir. Thefollowing constitutes
the text of that conversation which reveals thefundamentalist ideology and
designs of the organisation and its leader .Q: Please tell us about your stay
with Qazi Hussain Ahmed.A: Qazi has two bungalows in Peshawar. We spent a lot
of time in both thehouses. The first house is where his family lived and the
second house was hisoffice and rest-house. But he used to meet all his friends
and relatives andpolitical workers only in his family house. He made sure that,
at least for 3days in a week, Qazi and his close friends used to spend time in
his rest-house.Unlike his family house, the rest-house had all the amenities
that one can thinkof. It had a 36-inch television, 2 satellite dishes to
receive all kinds oftelecasts from all over the world. He had made extensive
notes on all thetelecasts. We used to discuss all the things under the sun in
his rest-house.I had a habit of drinking small amounts of wine. Qazi never
drank or smoked.Qazi knew about my weakness for wine. He advised me not to
drink and asked me tofollow the steps of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Though I had
a habit of drinkingonly very small amounts of fine wine just before dinner, on
Qazi's insistence, Ileft that habit. When I was studying in engineering
college, I had started thehabit of smoking too. I left that habit after Qazi's
advice on smoking.I stayed with Qazi for almost 6 years in Peshawar. I did not
agree to some ofthe strategies used by JI during the after-Zia years. Qazi is a
very practicalman while I was more of an idealist at that time. I was insisting
that the JIshould not rely on ballot as the only route to power. Qazi was
insisting thatballot is the only way for JI to come to power in Pakistan. This
introduced asense of alienation between Qazi and me. Hence when I went to
Baluchistan tomeet my parents, I stayed back rather than going back to
Peshawar. Even thoughalmost weekly once we talk over the phone, Qazi never
called me back to staywith him and I found my work as the Jamaat teacher in
Quetta where I stay nowwith my parents and family.Yet, my years with Qazi in
Peshawar and around the world with him were the mostsatisfying years in my life
intellectually.Q: What are Qazi's views on Islam and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)?A:
Qazi was a great admirer and student of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). He modeledhis
whole thoughts and life on the life and teachings of Mohammad (PBUH). I
wasastounded many times by Qazi when he did a small thing and he
immediatelycompared that incident with an incident in Al-Hadith and explained
that he didwhat Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) did 10 centuries ago. I had never seen
a person whohad modeled his whole life on the sayings and teachings of Prophet
Mohammad(PBUH) like Qazi.Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays.
Taliban and somefundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom of women
while someprogressive Muslim intellectuals are insisting that the women are
equal to menin all spheres. What are Qazi's views on women?A: As I said
earlier, the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) views on women are the exactviews of
Qazi. Equality of men and women is stupidity. What men can do, womencannot do
and what women can do, men cannot do. Women are weak physically andmentally
compared to men. For this we do not need any proof other than to justlook at
men and women. Men have to take care of women all the time. If somewomen do not
have any male relatives, then they have to find a man and marry himso that he
will take care of her. Women should not have a life outside thefamily.
Education can be provided to them, but not to compete with men inpublic.
Neither they can fight in war nor they can be of use in peacetimepolitics.Qazi
had said once that when JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will abolish
thevoting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men can participate
invoting or standing for elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he
hadquoted many Hadiths in support of that. I asked him why is it that it is
nevertalked about openly in the public by the Jamaat? Qazi had said that the
hintsare all over the place. But JI did not make it a big issue since the women
whocurrently have the voting rights may vote against JI in the elections if such
athing is said openly. I was against this, for in my opinion, since all the
mainleaders of the Jamaat believe that women will not have voting rights after
theycome to power, they should openly say that. If you do not say it now and
thenyou remove the voting rights later when you come to power, that is going
tobuild a resentment among the people. But Qazi was firmly of the opinion that
JIshould not say that now.Q: That brings us to the question of minorities. Will
they have to pay Jizyatax?A: Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by
Qazi, the idea of Jizya is notprotection money. But it is a monetary force on
the non-Muslim to convert toIslam. Once the Jamaat comes to power, the
minorities will be induced (forced)to become Muslims either by monetary or
psychological factors. JI is alreadyequating India with Hindus so that the
Hindus of Pakistan will be forced tobecome Muslims. This was a very successful
strategy during the Babri Masjidriots. JI was actively involved in destroying
the Hindu temples in Punjab andSindh. We ordered the destruction of the Hindu
family property too. But our mainaim was to destroy the Hindu temples. We wrote
in the JI pamphlets thatdestroying each pagan temple makes a Muslim move closer
to the heaven of Allah.We used the Hadiths in all the pamphlets. Babar
destroyed the Ram temple inAyodhya because he was a true believer. The same
way, every Muslim should takeit upon himself to destroy the Hindu temples in
Pakistan. O!ur idea was to encourage the Muslims of India also to destroy the
Hindu templesin India. But this was not met with much success since the Hindu
police in Indiastarted attacking the Muslims who were doing Allah's duty.Q:
What kind of government does JI envisage for Pakistan?A: It will be the Sharia
government. Sharia will be made our constitution sothat the eminent Muslim
scholars who had completed the schooling in Madrasaswill be appointed as the
Judges in every court. Qazi wanted to make thepresidium on the same model as
the Khalifa. Presently our idea is that theentire top leadership of JI as well
as all three military Generals will be partof the presidium for which the Qazi
will be the Khalifa. We are keenly watchingthe progress of Taliban and learning
from it. We are impressed with the Talibanon the women issue, minorities issue
and law and order issue. Mullah Omar is agreat friend of Qazi. Omar had visited
his house many times. In the tentativetalks, we had decided to form a union of
Pakistan and Afghanistan once the rightconditions are set in Pakistan (i.e. the
JI government in Pakistan). Our mottois "Constant Jihad". The idea is to keep
Pakistan in a constant state of Jihadall the time. Qazi's vision is that
Pakistan will be!the centre of the new Islamic Empire that stretches from Burma
to Afghanistanand from Srilanka to Tajikistan including Kashmir.Towards that
end, the Jamaat will use all tactics from terrorism in thekafir-controlled
areas to negotiations in the Muslim controlled areas. Alreadythe Jamaat leaders
of Bangladesh and Jamaat leaders of India have accepted theprimacy of Pakistani
leadership in this regard.Q: Do they come to Pakistan?A: Yes. We had made
arrangements once in Peshawar and another time in Multanduring the Zia time.
But the understanding remains even now.Q: What about Srilanka and Burma?A: Both
are Buddhist nations. For that matter even Baluchistan and Afghanistanwere
Buddhist once while Sindh and Punjab were Hindu earlier. Buddhists aregenerally
weaker in matters of faith. Hence we hope they will become Muslim witha little
pressure. But that will happen only after Jamaat conquers firstPakistan and
then India.Q: What are the plans for India? It looks like the entire India
policy of theJamaat revolves around Kashmir.A: Yes that is true. But that is
for a very good reason. See Kashmir is like akeystone that sits on top of the
arch. It is true that the arch holds the entireweight of the keystone. But if
you remove the keystone, then the whole archfalls down. That is why it is
called the keystone. Kashmir is the keystone forIndia. Once you remove that,
then India can no longer be secular and it will notbe a united country either.
Like the stones of the arch, all the bricks willfall down. Qazi impressed this
idea upon Zia. Hence Zia started the OperationTopac. Operation Topac's idea is
not to get Kashmir for Pakistan as thought ofby Indian analysts. Operation
Topac is much more.The ultimate aim of Operation Topac is to make India a
million pieces so that itis easy for Pakistan to swallow India once piece at a
time. That is why Pakistanwas encouraging the militancy movements all over
India. Once Kashmir is takenout, these militancy movements will break India by
asking the similar freedomfor Nagaland, Kerala, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur,
Assam, Jharkand, Tamil Nadu,West Bengal and Khalistan. But Benazir destroyed
our whole plan by giving awaythe details of the Operation Topac to Indian
government led by Rajiv Gandhi.That was a big set back for our vision. But yet
we are moving ahead.Q: I heard that she gave away only details about the
Khalistan movement.A: That is true. In my opinion, that is why I think the
damage is limited. Indiathinks and deals with separatist movements in different
parts of India as ifthey are genuine movements even now. In that way, I say, the
damage is limited.Q: Do you think if the States in India became independent
countries, no suchsimilar movement will start in Pakistan itself?A: No. Jiye
Sindh movement and small separatist movements in Baluchistan andPeshawar are
contained. We are not going to deal with the separatism in Pakistanas India
treats the separatists. It will be Taliban style. Actually we do notforesee any
position for opposition in JI ruled Pakistan. Hence the BNP andPakhtoonkwa
leaders will be made irrelevant.Q: Coming back to the same point, if India was
to become many countries, how doyou deal with the individual Hindu States? They
may even become big enemies ofPakistan. Or they may again re-group to challenge
Pakistan.A: Qazi and other people had already discussed this possibility. In
our opinion,such a thing is not possible since the language and cultural
differences betweenStates in India are enormous. There is no language like Urdu
to bind allIndians. English, and not Hindi, is common language among all the
States ofIndia. Hence we have planned to start riots in each State against
theneighborhood State people so that the States will always be in the state of
war.For example, there are a lot of Kannadigas in Tamil Nadu and Telugu in
Madras.We will start the anti-Telugu riots in Madras, which will keep Andhra
Pradeshand Tamil Nadu fighting. If we keep a bomb in the Telugu Cinema Theater
inMadras and keep a bomb in the Tamil Movie Theater in Andhra, the war
betweenTamil Nadu and Andhra will run for eternity. Similar things can be done
in theAssam Cultural Center in Bengal and the Hindi Prachar Sabha in
Orissa.Given the differences between the nationalities in India, the options
forPakistan are endless. Qazi's vision is to make the entire India a 100%
MuslimNation. A United India, where Hindus are majority is an impediment to
that. LikeProphet Mohammad (PBUH) made Muslims out of pagans of Arabia, Qazi
also wants tomake Muslims out of the pagans of India.Q: This is a great vision
since this was not even possible for the Muslimdynasties and Moguls who ruled
India for the last 700 years.A: True. That is because they had never really
established the Muslim Empire.Though the Kings were Muslims, they had
entertained the Hindus in positions ofpower. When you make an unequivocal
statement that only Muslims are voters anddeclare that India is an Islamic
Republic, then automatically the people willbecome Muslims. Little bit of
terror had to be applied to the heart of Hindusand Christians. I will give you
a best example. The portions which nowconstitute Pakistan had 25% Hindu
population before Independence. AfterIndependence, a lot of Hindus migrated to
India. Yet after the migration, thePakistani Hindu population was 15%. Do you
know what is the percentage now? Itis less than 1%. How was this made possible?
How did the Hindus convert to Islamin a short span of 20 years whereas for 700
years they had never converted toIslam? That is purely because of the terror of
the Partition.That terror forced the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become
Muslims. Pureand simple. JI used similar techniques in Punjab and Sindh. Each
time a riotbreaks out in India, we had used that pretext to strike terror among
theHindus, Christians and Ahmaddiahs. The similar terror will be at the heart
ofevery non-Muslim, both Hindu as well as Christian, in the coming years in
theentire of India. Qazi is an analytical genius who knows every strategy that
wasused by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and which will be and should be used in
India toachieve the total submission to Allah.Q: Do you envision a possibility
that when Kashmir becomes part of Pakistan,there could be large-scale riots in
India against Indian Muslims? Henceunwittingly Kashmir could lead to more
deaths of Indian Muslims and damage Islamic Ummah.A: Yes that is a possibility.
But our ideology is based on Quran and Hadiths.Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in
numerous Hadiths and Allah in Quran had said that anyMuslim who associates with
a polytheist is a polytheist. Muslims cannot befriendly with a non-Muslim. This
includes the Christians, Jews and Hindus. AlsoMohammad (PBUH) says that even if
the Muslim ruler is not good, the Muslims staywith the ruler rather than go out
to a non-Muslim country. Hadiths and Quran arevery explicit regarding this. All
the Muslims who did not migrate to Pakistanduring Partition are in essence
Hindus. They may think that they are Muslims.But not before Allah.They are as
self-deluded as the Ahmaddiahs who think they are Muslims wheneveryone knows
that they are not Muslims. Hence the Muslims of India who haddecided to stay in
India during Partition are not Muslims and their progeny arenot Muslim (since
they did not migrate to Muslim lands).Another thing that I noticed in my
journeys in India is that the Hindu farmersgenerally offer their entire harvest
to their gods at the end of theirharvesting season. This makes the entire crop
as haram for Muslims. Yet theseso-called Muslims of India are forced to eat
this food which was already offeredto some other God other than Allah. This is
explicitly forbidden in Quran. Andthis is one of the serious problems of living
in non-Muslim countries. ProphetMohammad (PBUH) knew such things; that is why he
ordered Muslims not to live innon-Muslim areas. Yet knowingly these so-called
Muslims live in India. Again,all the Muslims who migrate to other countries and
US are non-Muslims. Only theMuslims who intend to come back are Muslims not the
ones who decide to stay insuch countries. Hence we do not care if such Indian
Muslims die in the riots.But due to strategy reasons we do have excellent
relations with these Muslims.All the Muslims who work for Pakistan and for the
glory of Ummah are realMuslims. They are our front line troops in non-Muslim
countries. Hence we haveto distribute the arms and ammunitions to these real
Muslims in case riots cometo their door.The Kashmiri Muslims are pure Muslims
who are toiling under the yoke of Hindurule. They are victimized by the
international conspiracy to keep them under theHindu rule. That issue is part
of the incomplete Partition, whereas the IndianMuslims have accepted Partition
and stayed on in India knowingly.Q: Yet the popular uprising in Kashmir was
missing in 1965 as well as in 1948.A: That is true. That may be because of the
clout of Sheik Abdullah of Kashmirduring the 1948 war. Actually the Muslim
population in Jammu Kashmir was onlymarginally higher than Hindus. Muslims
constituted 58% while the non-Muslimsconstituted 42%. Hence Operation Topac
aimed at eliminating the Kashmiri Panditsfrom the Valley. We thought all of
them will go to India. Instead, many went toJammu and only very little went to
India. Hence we had to ask Harkatul to startterrorising the Hindus in Jammu. We
also expected large-scale war againstMuslims in Jammu as well as in all the
parts of India because of the killings.The Indian government suppressed these
information. Another thing that was notdone was the complete removal of
Buddhists and Hindus from Jammu and Kashmir. Wecould do only in the Valley and
not in Jammu and Ladakh. Hence the population ofMuslims in Jammu and Kashmir is
around 65% only according to Harkatul.Q: Tell us about your stay in Saudi
Arabia.A: We embarked on an Umra as a team of JI leaders. Of course, Zia had
arrangedevery convenience for us. We were accommodated in a Sheik's house. He
is one ofthe richest builders in Saudi Arabia. He owns few gold shops in Qatar
too. Sheikwas a personal friend of Zia Ul Haq. During the time of Zia, we were
notpolitically active. Since Zia did whatever Qazi wanted, there was no need
forpolitical power either. Hence we had a lot of time. That is the main reason
whywe stayed 3 full months in the Sheik's palace.This Sheik comes from a
Bedouin family of southwestern Arabia. He had the habitof drinking camel urine
and camel milk early in the morning. I asked him whydoes he do that? He replied
that it is the family tradition as well as Islamicpractice that is supported by
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded. ButQazi explained to me that it is
true. He told me three or four Hadiths in whichthe camel urine and camel milk
drinking is suggested. So Qazi wanted to drinkthe camel urine and camel milk
along with the Sheik. Since I could not bringmyself to drink the camel urine, I
drank only fresh camel milk, which was thickand frothy. But Qazi drank the camel
urine and camel milk in the same amount andat the same time as the Sheik. Qazi
astounded me in this incident. I am amazedby the fact that Qazi was ready to go
to any length to mould his life in theteachings of the Prophet.Q: Does he
continue to do that even today?A: No. He bought a camel after coming to
Pakistan. Three years later, he hadkidney stones problem. As per the doctor's
advice he had to stop drinking theurine while he continued drinking the camel
milk. The doctor advised him to stopdrinking the milk as well since the camel
milk is rich in calcium compared tothe cow milk. I think he stopped drinking
any milk or milk products. But he hadsaid that once JI comes to power in
Pakistan, he will popularize the camel milkand camel urine drinking in
Pakistan. But I doubt he can do that. In my opinion,only camel milk can be
popularized.Q: That is quite news to me. How was your stay in Arabia
otherwise?A: First I have to tell you that Saudi Arabia, as the country's name,
is wrong.It is just Arabia. Only that Saudi dynasty rules over some parts of
Arabia. Youcannot put your name before a holy land as if you own that land. For
Pakistan,if Nawaz rules it, will it become Sheriff Pakistan and tomorrow Bhutto
rules it,will it become Bhutto Pakistan?Anyway, one thing we noticed is that
the Arabians own slaves. Though Allah saysthat the slaves should be treated in
a nice manner, he did not advocate theabolition of slavery. If slavery is bad
as considered in today's world, Allahcertainly would have said that slavery is
wrong. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) alsosaid that the slaves should be treated in a
good manner and the slaves should bereleased often. But if there is no slavery,
how can anyone release slaves? Hencethe re-introduction of slavery in Pakistan
is one of the future plans of theJamaat. All the captured Hindu Indians and
Srilankans will be made slaves towork for Pakistani Muslims. Every God-abiding
Pakistani Muslim will get slavesonce we conquer India.All the slaves who
embrace Islam will be set free. Slavery is Islamic. Jamaat isthe only political
party, which does not voice any opposition to the slavery ofHarees (defeated) in
Pakistan.We went around all over Arabia. We were surprised to know that there
are someHindus in Yemen. These ancient Yemeni Hindus are not Indians. In my
opinion,these Hindus are traders from India in the ancient times. I was also
surprisedto know that they have a Shiva temple in Yemen. Qazi was very unhappy
over this.When he talked to the Yemen leaders, he broached this subject. But
the Yemenileaders refused Qazi's suggestion of forced conversion of these
people to Islam.I don't know why they refused. I think it may be due to the
large population ofHindus from India who work in Yemen and Arabia. He disliked
the currentleadership of Arabia for this reason.In his opinion, Arabia should
not allow any non-Muslim into the holy lands ofArabia. Arabia should be 100%
pure. A large number of Hindus in Arabia iscorrupting the Arabians. Though they
live as contractors, they have thepotential to corrupt the minds of the
Arabians. One such thing is the presenceof Arabians in the Qatar Hindu temple.
First the king allowed the Hindus tobuild a temple and church in the holy
lands, thereby polluting the Holy Land.Second is that even a member of the
Royal family visited that temple toinaugurate that temple. To the horror of
Qazi, he had learnt that one of thepowerful members of the Qatar Royal family
is a devotee of a god calledAayappan. This news resolved Qazi to fight the
force of the devil thousandfold.Q: Such things happen in Pakistan today. I mean
a friend of mine goes to a Hindutemple. Another friend goes to church
meetings.A: Yes. One of Qazi's relatives wanted to become a Hindu. He did not
have achild for many years and it seems he had prayed to a Hindu God and got
thechild. Hence he felt thankful to that god and wanted to become a Hindu. Qazi
gotto know of this and called him and threatened him with dire consequences.
Thatrelative did not become a Hindu. But that incident made Qazi read more
aboutapostasy.Quran and Hadith clearly say the punishment for abandonment of
Islam is death. Since Sharia is not the law in Pakistan, and the current
Pakistani Constitutiongrants the right to change religion, it is legally
correct to declare oneself asHindu or Christian. But once the JI takes over the
government, it will makeSharia as the Constitution. Then Pakistan will also
legally execute any personwho leaves Islam and joins Ahmaddiah, Christianity or
Hinduism the same way Iranand Taliban treats its apostates. He also opined that
the presence of the Hindutemples in Pakistan is the root cause of the problem
and hence we want todestroy all the Hindu temples and Churches in Pakistan.Q:
This brings us into another area. Right now the Internet is becomingwidespread.
Even Saudi Arabia is connected with the outside world. Destroyingthe temples may
be good, but how can we insulate the Pakistani and Muslim peopleagainst the
corrupting knowledge totally?A: JI had taken a principled stand on the matter
of science and religion.Religion is far superior to science. Whatever man needs
to know is in the Quranand Hadiths. Knowing more will create problems like the
Atom bomb andTelevision. Quran and Hadiths are explicit in denouncing pictures.
Yet the lureof Satan in the form of photography and television is eating our
lives.Music previously was confined only to the vocal singing. Now science
andtechnology made the music widespread at a cheaper price. These are the lures
ofSatan. We have to be on guard against these harami things.Hence, more science
and technology is bad for the civilization. I had completedcivil engineering.
Hence I am privy to scientific knowledge. I can tell you howcorrupting that is.
It even makes you question the glorious Quran. There aremany Hadiths, which say
that the earth is flat. But any science will tell youthe earth is a sphere. But
you can use the same science like the relativitytheory to prove that the earth
is flat. It is the same case with evolution. Butthe point being that doubt is
sown in the minds of the people on the validity ofthe Quran as the word of God.
More and more we work hard to prove the Quran'sscientific correctness, more and
more people will get apprehensive of the truthof the Quran. This is an
abomination. This is why when we talk of education, wetalk of religious
education and not scientific education.It is true that science grew after the
Prophet's revolution in Arabia. That wasthe start of science. Now each and
every science is filled with anti-god stuff.If you want to become a doctor, you
have to read evolution. If you have to readany engineering, you have to believe
in the billions of years old universetheory which effectively says that human
beings came to the world only just oneor two million years back.Q: But we still
need the arms and knowledge of the Western world, which believesin science. And
again you had referred to television as evil. If we abolishphotography how can
we have passports or identification cards?A: Yes. That is strategic. With the
help of Allah, we will be given oil for themto run their cars and we will have
arms in that place. We will use their arms todestroy them in the course of
time. As far as photos are concerned, they will bebanned as it is done in
Afghanistan. If there is no need for people to go out ofPakistan, where is the
need for the passports? For those who have to travel toother countries like the
leaders of the revolution, they only will be given thepassport with photos. For
that, we will allow limited photography licensed onlyto the government. And the
biggest corruption in today's Pakistan is Indiansatellite TV and Indian cinemas
and Indian songs. We have to abolish these too.Q: Currently we have a lot of
opposition from Mohajirs regarding reservations.What kind of reservation policy
will the JI will have in Pakistan?A: We approach that problem as the problem of
language. Urdu-speaking Muslimsand Sindhi-speaking Muslims are fighting now. We
plan to abolish all theregional languages like Pashto, Sindhi, Baluchi, Urdu,
Punjabi and Brahvi. Wewant all the people of Pakistan to speak Arabic which is
our divine language.This will make everyone equal before everyone else and
there would not be anyneed for language or region based reservations. We also
hope that this will makethe Quran and Hadiths easier to understand and will
make the people follow theQuran and Hadiths to the letter.Q: There could be
language riots. One such language riot resulted in Bangladesh.A: Bangladesh was
not a result of language riot. The very idea that they areMuslims will bring the
Bangladeshis to Arabic. We already fund heavily theArabic language courses all
over India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. From Morocco toIraq speaks in Arabic, I
don't see any reason why from Morocco to Burma we willnot bring Arabic to the
people. Even Bangladesh will start speaking in Arabic.That time there won't be
any Bangladesh where the country name itself has thename of the language. Yes.
Right now our aim is just for reunification withouttouching on the language
issue of Bengali. JI of Bangladesh is working towardsthis aim.Q: The secular
journalists of Pakistan oppose the JI. For example the Dawn andNews are very
critical of the JI. How do you see their role in the future?A: Ardheshir
Cowasjee is able to work only because of the present Constitutionof Pakistan.
When Sharia becomes the Constitution, he cannot even approach thecourt, as he
is a kafir. We see secular journalists as our main enemy in thecurrent struggle
to reach power. These secular journalists are digging ourstatements we made
during the pre-Independence days and trying to beat us. Ofcourse we opposed the
creation of Pakistan during the British times. But thatwas a different Jamaat.
Our history starts with Independence. Secularjournalists are not Muslims even
though some of them are carrying Muslim names.Let them come to us and let us
ask questions on the Quran and Hadiths. We willprove each and every thing we
say is from Quran and Hadiths. Let them prove whatwe say as wrong from the
Quranic angle. Then we will accept them. But theycannot. They cannot match us
in any debate concerning the Quran and Hadiths. Wecan comprehensively prove
that they are indeed non-Muslims.!They are like Quadianis who say that the
Muslim need not take up Jihad as anobligation. That is pure nonsense.Q: What is
your plan in Quetta?A: I have family in Panj-gur. I have my work in Quetta.
Hence I travel all thetime. Though I am a close friend of Qazi, and though he
asked me to take uporganizational work, I refused that since I am not really
good in organizationalwork. There are very good people who are very good in
organizational work inQuetta. I am being contented with the closeness of Qazi
and being an ideologueof JI. Sometimes I speak in the Jamaat meetings.
Otherwise my time is spent inreading and sending notes to Qazi.Q: Thanks for
your time.A: May Allah's blessings be with you.
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