Birth details

Date of birth-27/02/1928
Time 7.49 am
Place Kafir Mahal (Israel)
34 deg 54 0 E
32 deg 11 0 N
Time Zone 2H Om Os E
Ayamansa 22 deg 50 58 Lahiri.





Dear all & learned astrologers

Some one hurled a blind chart ar me to discuss life and times of native and wanted to know whether it had Kaal sarp dosh, which i denied , i will reveal my method to ascertain KSY or KAL later. After a cursory glance i gave the following reading.

I am offering comments on the chart on the basis of cursory reading, the native does not have a KSY, but the Native must have led a hard life, moon afflicted, sun in 12th and ven ,mars combination in 11 th , aspected by saturn indicates a troubled and turbulent marriage, sepration or divorce, the concerned person has a son or sons . Though Ksy is not present but still this planetary combination must have offered hardships and obstructions to the individual in MD ,AD of Rahu ketu, Sat, Kantaka sat , sadesati etc.


Regards

J.s.sandhu







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Sandhuji

The chart doesnt show. Can you delve the details?

Regards
Deepa

Dear Deepa Ji

Parnaam

I have posted the details Now, Please participate and urge others also, Its the same chart that SH KN Rao ji shows to all advocates of gloom on the Kaal sarp dosh.

Regards

J.s.sandhu

Dear all

A simple analysis to identify the same.

Let me clarify.

First of all, check the following conditions.
1) All planets between Rahu and Ketu
2) No planet is with Rahu
3) No planet is with Ketu
4) No planet in the Lagna
5) No planet in the 7th house

If any of the conditions above are not met, the chart does not
have
either KSY or KAY. (Kal sarp Yoga, Kal amrita yoga)

If ALL of these conditions are met, the next step is to see which
of
the yogas it is, KSY or KAY. The process for that is, as I
mentioned
before,
1) Start from Rahu
2) Traverse the chart in the zodiacal direction. This is the
normal
direction that the planets move in, and goes from Aries to Taurus
to
Gemini to Cancer etc.
3.a)If the next entity encountered is Ketu, this means
that
all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu. This is Kala Sarpa Yoga.
3.b)If the next entity encountered is a planet other than
Ketu, this means that the planets are all between Rahu and Ketu.
this is kalamrita yoga.

My visual crutch for remembering this is to visualize planets
going
towards either Rahu or Ketu. If there are all hurling towards
Rahu,
the native is veering towards Rahu's materialism, which makes it
Kala Sarpa yoga, since Rahu represents the Sarpa, or poison. On
the
other hand, if the planets are all moving towards Ketu, it is Kala
Amrita yoga, since Ketu represents Moksha or Amrita.

My outline above is based on the progression of the planets, but
you
get the same result if you consider the movement of Ra and Ke
instead.
1) Start from Rahu again
2) Traverse the direction that Rahu (and Ketu) move in, i.e. go in
the anti-zodiacal direction. This means if you start from Aries,
go
to Pisces, Aquarius etc.
3.a) If you encounter a planet other than ketu, this means that
this
planet is being "swallowed up" by Rahu in its progression - again
indicating Kala Sarpa yogam.
3.b) If the first planet you encounter is Ketu, and then you
encounter the other planets, this means that Ketu is "swallowing
up"
the other planets in its movement, i.e. the desire for Moksha is
comsuming the indications of all other planets, and the native
will
eventually reach Moksha. This is Kal


Regards

J.s.sandhu


I go by this method , others may have their own measures, Just as i believe 3rd lord as badhaks for fixed lagna, Its my point of veiw and whatever i say is not gospel, but i have reason of my beliefs some can be explained and some just cant, i have explained the badhak principle as regards the Ksy , the yardstick i apply is a word of mouth theory of my guru passed on to him by his guru and so on.


Regards

J.s.sandhu

Sandhu ji,

Barring the point of whether there are any planets in the 7th, my method of checking for KSY has been the same so far. The very fact that rahu and ketu are conjunct moon and saturn is enough to deduce there isnt any KSY.

Coming to the chart -

Yes you are very right about the native's unhappiness factor with respect to his/her marriage and afflicted moon. But there are some good points too.

Lagna is very strong. Jupiter in lagna, in own sign and without absolutely any malefic aspects and with the highest shadabala - far more then any other planet in the horoscope. Apart from that, rahu, ketu and moon are all benefics in the chart and in exaltation - outside the kendras. The most important tenth house - whose lord guru is very powerful is also without malefic aspects. This indicates very good career. Jupiter is very auspicious here endowing respect, honour and authority. Sun as the 6th lord in 12 aspecting its own house is a malefic but causes vipareet rajayog. Its conjunct a retro mercury which is badly positioned from the 7th house of marriage and any kind of partnerships. But mercury is the lagna nakshatra lord and benefits the 4th house (aspect upon its own house)

Another interesting aspect is the 9th house. One would think that shani+ketu spoil it. This may be true to an extent. But here, a strong jupiter aspects the 9th house. Ketu in 9th and that too in exaltation is great. Further, Mars the dispositor of the 9th house exalts! This is very powerful. Even more, because Mars is the dispositor of lagnesh jupiter's navamsa sign as well.

saturn and mars are in parivartana which is a cause for concern. saturn is aspecting its own 11th house and mars is aspecting its own 2nd house. Again, the 2nd and 11th house become strong and shower wealth to the native. Venus remains afflicted but in that position, it is in a trine with 3rd house which is an upachaya. At the same time, venus is in a kendra with its own 8th house and indicates health issues.

Looking at the dashas for the native, I believe the entire shani mahadasha would have been troublesome to the core - fights with people, problems with income, women, marriage and laziness/lethargy + losing out to competition.

Regards
Deepa

Looks only Deepa is capable of repling to Sandhuji,where are others?Personally I can say that Deepa loves to help others and yes in other thread she was the only was interested in discussing subject "A Rare chart having 7 planets in ascendent",I am not downgrading others but when there is some interesting topic posted here all should comeup(those who have knowledge and not dumbo like me)and share their gyan.

Dear Deepa ji & Any other distinguished astrologer,

Some informative hints to work on.

The Native (Famous personality).

The native was married Twice. Both wife's no more.

Suffered ( in coma)

son from first marriage no more.

KN rao ji uses this chart to test the knowledge of prophets of doom ( specifically on KSY and its effects)

Deepa ji , you made a remarkable effort ,i am sure KN RAO ji would be very happy with the effort if he reads your input on this chart.

"Remarkable effort"

Just waiting for some learned souls then i will unfold the mystery.


Regards

J.s.sandhu

Sandhu ji

Thanks for the appreciation

Is the native still comatose? Is he alive?

Dear Jay ji (Hindustani), Thanks . Our old stalwarts USR ji, Sasisekaran ji etc are missing? They would have surely pitched in a great deal more.

Regards
Deepa

DeepaJi and Sandhuji,
I am not a stalwart in this.But to satisfy your curiosity of this chart, I add that the native is endowed with reverse Kalasarpa Yoga in 9th to 3rd axis,perhaps he may be an excellent and courageous religious leader . Loosing life partners is due to retro 7th lord Budha in virtual combustion with 6th lord Ravi in 12th in the house of Saturn is quite evident. His chart indicates the person had sexual perversion of high order and many men/ women must have become a prey to this person.A worldly person in the realm of spirituality.
USR

Respected USR ji,

SAADAR PRANAAM! Great to see you again after a long hiatus. I hope you are doing well.

I have been trying to understand the aspect of both wives being dead. You just made that clear. Yes, I see the shukra-mangal yukti on Shani's rasi in the 11th signifying public relations. I also see the parakrama that is limned in the 3rd. Rahu is in a venus raasi in 3rd house of habits. But I dont see a criminal. The afflicted moon does not have a mars aspect and neither is the lagna aspected by any malefic.

All i can say here is that ketu in the 9th house makes the native a non-conformist. May be a religion breaker. Or his beginning a new religion of his own.

Best Regards
Deepa

Dear Deepa ji & USR ji,

Some more info

though he was unable to carry out his duties after suffering a stroke on 4 January 2006. At that that time he went to coma and is in persistent vegatative stage.

During his lengthy career highly controversial figure among many factions, both inside and outside Israel.

he still feels the pain of his eldest son's death in an accidental shooting four decades ago.
"Nothing can relieve such pain.



Regards

J.s.sandhu

sandhu ji

can you clarify pls? he still feels the pain even though in a vegetative stage?

Was his son's death the cause of his stroke?

Regards
Deepa

Dear deepa ji,

Parnaam.

I am not sure about whether he feels pain or not, death of son was not a cause of stroke ,his son died four decades ago in a shooting accident at the hands of his friend at 11 years of age due to fatal gun shot wound to the head.
He died in his fathers arms.

Regards

J.s.sandhu

What is your reading of the chart sandhu ji? Is this the chart of a criminal in a religious veil? I dont see it that way.

on jan 4 2006, he had rahu in lagna, jup in 8th.

Dear deepa ji,

The person is not a criminal nor a religious personality, though his actions became abetters to many a deaths.

I still go by my cursory reading, morever i know the details now , so i restrict my comments to whatever i said before i knew the identity


I am offering comments on the chart on the basis of cursory reading, the native does not have a KSY, but the Native must have led a hard life, moon afflicted, sun in 12th and ven ,mars combination in 11 th , aspected by saturn indicates a troubled and turbulent marriage, sepration or divorce, the concerned person has a son or sons . Though Ksy is not present but still this planetary combination must have offered hardships and obstructions to the individual in MD ,AD of Rahu ketu, Sat, Kantaka sat , sadesati etc.


Regards

J.s.sandhu

Dear Deepa ji ,

Parnaam

As no body else is intrested to test and participate.

Here are the details

The chart belongs to Ariel Sharon The former Prime minister of Isarael.



For those who dont know much about Ariel Sharon..chec this out..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon

Also see this site for knowing mnroe about illness of Ariel Sharon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illnesses_of_Ariel_Sharon


Regards

J.s.sandhu

Sandhuji belive me during initial stage of this thread I could smell that this chart belongs to him.Big clue you gave and that was of coma and a famous person.

Pvr NarasimhaRaoji and Manik Chand Jain has very correctly mentioned the marked existence of its effects, though some could have tried to scare people through it, or because they they were not able to guage its correct impact!!!

Has not some tried to overrate some good ygas like Guru Mangal, Budhhaditya etc too, possibly because they could not guage its impact?

If we follow books in totality and let our experience be too much affected by books, what he says and she says and they say, act as a roadblock to learning... we have problems in learning.

No other yogas make a chart more visually lopsided like KSY or KAY is what I understand thru experience.

Just some thoughts.

Name of book by PVR Narasimha rao is :- Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach...
Infact he has always given value to KSY and KAY in his approach..

Canto 5: The Creative Impetus
Chapter 18: The Prayers Offered to the Lord by the Residents of Jambūdvīpa

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 5.18.25
oḿ namo bhagavate mukhyatamāya namaḥ sattvāya prāṇāyaujase sahase balāya mahā-matsyāya nama itiSYNONYMS
om — O my Lord; namaḥ — respectful obeisances; bhagavate — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; mukhya-tamāya — the first incarnation to appear; namaḥ — my respectful obeisances; sattvāya — unto the pure transcendence; prāṇāya — the origin of life; ojase — the source of the potency of the senses; sahase — the origin of all mental power; balāya — the origin of bodily strength; mahā-matsyāya — unto the gigantic fish incarnation; namaḥ — respectful obeisances; iti — thus.
TRANSLATION
I offer my respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is pure transcendence. He is the origin of all life, bodily strength, mental power and sensory ability. Known as Matsyāvatāra, the gigantic fish incarnation, He appears first among all the incarnations. Again I offer my obeisances unto Him.
PURPORT
Śrīla Jayadeva Gosvāmī sings:
pralayo payodhi-jale dhṛtavān asi vedaḿ
vihita-vahitra-caritram akhedam
keśava dhṛta-mīna-śarīra jaya jagad-īśa hare
Soon after the cosmic creation, the entire universe was inundated with water. At that time Lord Kṛṣṇa (Keśava) incarnated as a gigantic fish to protect the Vedas. Therefore Manu addresses Lord Matsya as mukhyatama, the first incarnation to appear. Fish are generally considered a mixture of the modes of ignorance and passion, but we must understand that every incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is completely transcendental. There is never any deterioration of the Supreme Lord's original transcendental quality. Therefore the word sattvāya is used here, meaning pure goodness on the transcendental platform. There are many incarnations of the Supreme Lord: Varāha mūrti (the boar form), Kūrma mūrti (the tortoise form), Hayagrīva mūrti (the form of a horse) and so on. Yet we should never think any of Them material. They are always situated on the platform of śuddha-sattva, pure transcendence.


Raghunatha Rao Nemani <RAON1008@YAHOO.COM>to vedic-astrology
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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste All,

The best remedy suggested by Sanjay Ji for the Kaala Amrita Yoga (KAY)
is to read about the "Matsya Avataram" and also to recite the mantra
given in Srimad Bhagavatam 5.18.25.
Today, after about 3 years, I have found the answer to my own question
about the Mantra, so thought of sharing with you.

The Mantra and its meaning can be found from the following website:-

http://vedabase.net/sb/5/18/25/

"om namo bhagavate mukhyatamāya namaḥ sattvāya prāṇāyaujase sahase
balāya mahā-matsyāya nama iti"

Hope this may be of some help to some.

Regards
Raghunatha Rao

--- Raghunatha RaoNemani
<RAON1008@...>wrote:

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Gurus and Learned Memebers,

While looking at my notes on a remedy for a native who came to me for
a help, with Kaala Amrita Yoga. I have found Sanjay ji has suggested
the best remedy for the KAY is to read about the Matsya Avatar and to
recite the mantra given in Srimad Bhagavatam 5.18.25 in one of his
very old message in the archives.

So, may I request you to please provide me the above mantra in
Sanskrit font in this list and also any reference to the Matsya
Avatar, so that every one in this list can benefit from you reply. I
would also appreciate if you could copy your reply to my private
e-mail, so that I will get the file attachment.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Regards
Raghunatha Rao

Types of Kal Sarpa Yoga, There are 12 types of Kal Sarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga.
View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences between husband and wife.
View I - Kulik Kal Sarpa Yoga, When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kal Sarpa Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is worried on account of an insecure financial standing.
View II-Kulika Kal Sarpa Yoga- Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve something.
View I- Vasuki Kal Sarpa Yoga- When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems relating to job and business.
View II - Vasuki Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.
View I -Shankpal Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains.
View II- Shankapal Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars
View I -Padam Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this case.
View II- Padma Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything where speculation is involved.
View I -Mahapadam Kal Sarpa Yoga> This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success.
View II-Mahapadma Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life.
View I- Takshak Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native.
View II - Takshak Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business partnerships.
View I- Karkotak Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth.
View II - Karkotik Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death.
View I- Shankachood Kal SarpaYoga> When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They are also short tempered.
View II -Shankhnaad Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local administration in the field of business and commerce.
View I- Ghatak Kal Sarpa Yoga> This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant.
View II- Paatak Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person would report to during his/her job.
View I -Vishdhar Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the latter half of their life.
View II -Vishakt Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.
View I- Sheshnag Kal Sarpa Yoga> When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems.
View II- Sheshnag Kal Sarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies.


Redards

J.s.sandhu