Dear RR ji,
I am reposting first instalment on Guru which I think appeared in VA.
This is on your request.


IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??

Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:

Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at
Karakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my quest
for Karaktwa is continuing.
I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.
So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, I
am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.

I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks
about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.

"It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker
shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.
once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole hill
is converted into a mountain.

Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and
benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst
things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,
crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,
diseased etc.
This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by
astrologers of yore.
Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,
labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.

So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury and
Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed
to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round
holes.

Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as
Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,
Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas
became one .

Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,
pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that,
portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him. But
Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he
was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or
suffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana
Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the
lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.

How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place
ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the Putra
Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?

They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.

It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance
in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!

How paradoxical !!!!

So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula made a rule
to explain.

BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,
BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:

Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases
the bhava he occupies.

I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the
mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the
reflection of Moon."

And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and
stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the
rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he
is a misfit in most of the places he sits.


According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws
strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in
form of aspectual fruits.
In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,
Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.

JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP

Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on
earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen
in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and
prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).

Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is
Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.

You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell
has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are
yellow.

Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher
doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!
Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to
be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have
been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.
And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.

I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today
to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.

EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.

Male
DOB: 28.9.1954
TOB: 18.30 Hrs
POB: Madras

Asc: Pisces
Ketu: Gemini
Jupiter: Cancer
Moon,Sun: Virgo
Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra
Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius


Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.
He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light
funeral pyre.

This person is childless even after two marriages.


CASE # II

Male

DOB: 6TH July 1935
Tob : 5.34 AM
POB: Teng-t'a
101 E 12
36 N 32

Gemini: Asc
Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu
Leo: Moon/venus
Virgo : Mars
Libra : Jupiter
Saggi: Rahu
Aquarius: Saturn

This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no
children due to religious abstinence.
This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.

CASE # III

GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA

MALE
Born ...10th Nov 1955


Janma Lagna Kataka
Vrishabha...........ketu
Simha ..............Guru
Kanya...............Moon, Mars
Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun
Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra


VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,
Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).

This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.

RESULT:

The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed
in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people
huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also
his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after
by father inlaw.


GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.

Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when
comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a
person.
I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.

CASE #1

Male:
DOB: 27.3.1972
TOB: 9.07 AM
POB: Udaipur Rajasthan

Taurus: Asc
Taurus: Mars/Sat
Cancer: Ketu
Leo: Moon
Saggi: Jupiter
Capri: Rahu
Pisces: Sun/Merc

Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic
road accident in year 2001.

CASE # 2

Male
DOB: 9.11.1915
TOB: 12.15 am
POB: Porbandar India

Cancer : Asc
Cancer: Mars/ketu
Libra: Merc/Sun
Scorpio: Moon/Venus
Capri: Rahu
Aquarius: Jupiter
Gemini: Saturn

Mark Jupiter in 8th bhava.

The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.

To Be Continued.

BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:

Sir, do I have your permission to save your posting as a file in the
library? It can be readily referenced then, for future.

Thanks

RR

--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "om_tatsat_om"
<om_tatsat_om@...> wrote:
>
> Dear RR ji,
> I am reposting first instalment on Guru which I think appeared in
VA.
> This is on your request.
>
>
> IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??
>
> Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:
>
> Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at
> Karakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my
quest
> for Karaktwa is continuing.
> I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.
> So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, I
> am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.
>
> I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks
> about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.
>
> "It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker
> shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.
> once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole
hill
> is converted into a mountain.
>
> Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and
> benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst
> things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,
> crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,
> diseased etc.
> This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by
> astrologers of yore.
> Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,
> labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.
>
> So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury
and
> Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed
> to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round
> holes.
>
> Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as
> Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,
> Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas
> became one .
>
> Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,
> pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of
that,
> portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him. But
> Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he
> was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or
> suffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana
> Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the
> lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.
>
> How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place
> ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the
Putra
> Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?
>
> They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.
>
> It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance
> in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!
>
> How paradoxical !!!!
>
> So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula made a rule
> to explain.
>
> BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,
> BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:
>
> Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn
increases
> the bhava he occupies.
>
> I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the
> mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the
> reflection of Moon."
>
> And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and
> stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the
> rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he
> is a misfit in most of the places he sits.
>
>
> According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws
> strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in
> form of aspectual fruits.
> In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,
> Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.
>
> JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP
>
> Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on
> earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen
> in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and
> prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).
>
> Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone
is
> Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.
>
> You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell
> has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts
are
> yellow.
>
> Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher
> doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!
> Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to
> be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have
> been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.
> And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.
>
> I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses
today
> to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.
>
> EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.
>
> Male
> DOB: 28.9.1954
> TOB: 18.30 Hrs
> POB: Madras
>
> Asc: Pisces
> Ketu: Gemini
> Jupiter: Cancer
> Moon,Sun: Virgo
> Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra
> Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius
>
>
> Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in
exaltation.
> He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light
> funeral pyre.
>
> This person is childless even after two marriages.
>
>
> CASE # II
>
> Male
>
> DOB: 6TH July 1935
> Tob : 5.34 AM
> POB: Teng-t'a
> 101 E 12
> 36 N 32
>
> Gemini: Asc
> Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu
> Leo: Moon/venus
> Virgo : Mars
> Libra : Jupiter
> Saggi: Rahu
> Aquarius: Saturn
>
> This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no
> children due to religious abstinence.
> This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.
>
> CASE # III
>
> GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA
>
> MALE
> Born ...10th Nov 1955
>
>
> Janma Lagna Kataka
> Vrishabha...........ketu
> Simha ..............Guru
> Kanya...............Moon, Mars
> Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun
> Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra
>
>
> VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,
> Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).
>
> This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.
>
> RESULT:
>
> The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has
failed
> in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people
> huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and
also
> his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked
after
> by father inlaw.
>
>
> GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.
>
> Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when
> comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a
> person.
> I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.
>
> CASE #1
>
> Male:
> DOB: 27.3.1972
> TOB: 9.07 AM
> POB: Udaipur Rajasthan
>
> Taurus: Asc
> Taurus: Mars/Sat
> Cancer: Ketu
> Leo: Moon
> Saggi: Jupiter
> Capri: Rahu
> Pisces: Sun/Merc
>
> Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic
> road accident in year 2001.
>
> CASE # 2
>
> Male
> DOB: 9.11.1915
> TOB: 12.15 am
> POB: Porbandar India
>
> Cancer : Asc
> Cancer: Mars/ketu
> Libra: Merc/Sun
> Scorpio: Moon/Venus
> Capri: Rahu
> Aquarius: Jupiter
> Gemini: Saturn
>
> Mark Jupiter in 8th bhava.
>
> The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.
>
> To Be Continued.
>
> BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:
>

dear tatvamasi ji

your definition of jupiter and saturn as spoiler of bhava and
improver of bhava respectively with supporting charts is an
interesting observation.

i give below two chart details who has jupiter in 5th house and both
of them having children.

09.07.1973
pune
1305 hours

11.05.1957
naraingarh
0444 hours

however, it is not prudent to advocate whether jupiter in 5th house
would grant children or would not grant children. for a native to
have children or not is seen not just by jupiter alone but by the
strength of 5th lord, the planets in 5th house, the aspects on 5th
house, affliction of 5th lord etc.

the karaka of 8th house is saturn.

with best wishes
arjun

--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "om_tatsat_om"
<om_tatsat_om@...> wrote:
>
> Dear RR ji,
> I am reposting first instalment on Guru which I think appeared in
VA.
> This is on your request.
>
>
> IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??
>
> Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:
>
> Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at
> Karakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my
quest
> for Karaktwa is continuing.
> I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.
> So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru,
I
> am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.
>
> I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks
> about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.
>
> "It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker
> shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.
> once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole
hill
> is converted into a mountain.
>
> Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and
> benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst
> things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,
> crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,
> diseased etc.
> This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by
> astrologers of yore.
> Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,
> labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.
>
> So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury
and
> Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were
formed
> to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round
> holes.
>
> Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as
> Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,
> Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas
> became one .
>
> Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,
> pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of
that,
> portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him.
But
> Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he
> was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or
> suffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house ,
Santana
> Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the
> lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.
>
> How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the
place
> ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the
Putra
> Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?
>
> They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.
>
> It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of
finance
> in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!
>
> How paradoxical !!!!
>
> So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula made a rule
> to explain.
>
> BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,
> BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:
>
> Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn
increases
> the bhava he occupies.
>
> I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the
> mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the
> reflection of Moon."
>
> And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and
> stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the
> rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that
he
> is a misfit in most of the places he sits.
>
>
> According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws
> strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness
in
> form of aspectual fruits.
> In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,
> Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.
>
> JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP
>
> Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on
> earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen
> in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and
> prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).
>
> Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone
is
> Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.
>
> You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell
> has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts
are
> yellow.
>
> Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher
> doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!
> Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to
> be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals
have
> been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.
> And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.
>
> I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses
today
> to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.
>
> EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.
>
> Male
> DOB: 28.9.1954
> TOB: 18.30 Hrs
> POB: Madras
>
> Asc: Pisces
> Ketu: Gemini
> Jupiter: Cancer
> Moon,Sun: Virgo
> Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra
> Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius
>
>
> Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in
exaltation.
> He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light
> funeral pyre.
>
> This person is childless even after two marriages.
>
>
> CASE # II
>
> Male
>
> DOB: 6TH July 1935
> Tob : 5.34 AM
> POB: Teng-t'a
> 101 E 12
> 36 N 32
>
> Gemini: Asc
> Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu
> Leo: Moon/venus
> Virgo : Mars
> Libra : Jupiter
> Saggi: Rahu
> Aquarius: Saturn
>
> This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no
> children due to religious abstinence.
> This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.
>
> CASE # III
>
> GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA
>
> MALE
> Born ...10th Nov 1955
>
>
> Janma Lagna Kataka
> Vrishabha...........ketu
> Simha ..............Guru
> Kanya...............Moon, Mars
> Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun
> Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra
>
>
> VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,
> Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).
>
> This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.
>
> RESULT:
>
> The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has
failed
> in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people
> huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and
also
> his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked
after
> by father inlaw.
>
>
> GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.
>
> Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when
> comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a
> person.
> I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.
>
> CASE #1
>
> Male:
> DOB: 27.3.1972
> TOB: 9.07 AM
> POB: Udaipur Rajasthan
>
> Taurus: Asc
> Taurus: Mars/Sat
> Cancer: Ketu
> Leo: Moon
> Saggi: Jupiter
> Capri: Rahu
> Pisces: Sun/Merc
>
> Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a
tragic
> road accident in year 2001.
>
> CASE # 2
>
> Male
> DOB: 9.11.1915
> TOB: 12.15 am
> POB: Porbandar India
>
> Cancer : Asc
> Cancer: Mars/ketu
> Libra: Merc/Sun
> Scorpio: Moon/Venus
> Capri: Rahu
> Aquarius: Jupiter
> Gemini: Saturn
>
> Mark Jupiter in 8th bhava.
>
> The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.
>
> To Be Continued.
>
> BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:
>

Bravo Sir! What a wonderful example you have provided, Sir -- through
sharing this write-up of yours. I am hopeful that it would energize
and motivate everyone to follow in your footsteps.

Some readers may need to be reminded that they should always remember
that other factors would also play a part and considered in a live
reading situation when advice is being given. To the experienced such
a caveat should not be necessary, one hopes, but no harm in spelling
it out, yet again (I once had a very senior scholar/teacher/author
nearly pin me down because I quoted something from another astrologer
who was not in his good books! And I did not even say that the factor
I mentioned was the 'only' one but anyway ... :-)

RR



--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "om_tatsat_om"
<om_tatsat_om@...> wrote:
>
> Dear RR ji,
> I am reposting first instalment on Guru which I think appeared in
VA.
> This is on your request.
>
>
> IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??
>
> Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:
>
> Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at
> Karakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my
quest
> for Karaktwa is continuing.
> I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.
> So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, I
> am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.
>
> I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks
> about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.
>
> "It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker
> shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.
> once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole
hill
> is converted into a mountain.
>
> Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and
> benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst
> things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,
> crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,
> diseased etc.
> This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by
> astrologers of yore.
> Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,
> labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.
>
> So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury
and
> Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed
> to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round
> holes.
>
> Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as
> Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,
> Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas
> became one .
>
> Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,
> pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of
that,
> portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him. But
> Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he
> was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or
> suffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana
> Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the
> lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.
>
> How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place
> ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the
Putra
> Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?
>
> They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.
>
> It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance
> in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!
>
> How paradoxical !!!!
>
> So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula made a rule
> to explain.
>
> BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,
> BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:
>
> Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn
increases
> the bhava he occupies.
>
> I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the
> mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the
> reflection of Moon."
>
> And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and
> stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the
> rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he
> is a misfit in most of the places he sits.
>
>
> According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws
> strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in
> form of aspectual fruits.
> In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,
> Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.
>
> JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP
>
> Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on
> earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen
> in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and
> prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).
>
> Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone
is
> Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.
>
> You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell
> has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts
are
> yellow.
>
> Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher
> doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!
> Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to
> be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have
> been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.
> And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.
>
> I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses
today
> to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.
>
> EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.
>
> Male
> DOB: 28.9.1954
> TOB: 18.30 Hrs
> POB: Madras
>
> Asc: Pisces
> Ketu: Gemini
> Jupiter: Cancer
> Moon,Sun: Virgo
> Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra
> Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius
>
>
> Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in
exaltation.
> He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light
> funeral pyre.
>
> This person is childless even after two marriages.
>
>
> CASE # II
>
> Male
>
> DOB: 6TH July 1935
> Tob : 5.34 AM
> POB: Teng-t'a
> 101 E 12
> 36 N 32
>
> Gemini: Asc
> Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu
> Leo: Moon/venus
> Virgo : Mars
> Libra : Jupiter
> Saggi: Rahu
> Aquarius: Saturn
>
> This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no
> children due to religious abstinence.
> This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.
>
> CASE # III
>
> GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA
>
> MALE
> Born ...10th Nov 1955
>
>
> Janma Lagna Kataka
> Vrishabha...........ketu
> Simha ..............Guru
> Kanya...............Moon, Mars
> Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun
> Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra
>
>
> VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,
> Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).
>
> This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.
>
> RESULT:
>
> The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has
failed
> in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people
> huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and
also
> his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked
after
> by father inlaw.
>
>
> GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.
>
> Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when
> comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a
> person.
> I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.
>
> CASE #1
>
> Male:
> DOB: 27.3.1972
> TOB: 9.07 AM
> POB: Udaipur Rajasthan
>
> Taurus: Asc
> Taurus: Mars/Sat
> Cancer: Ketu
> Leo: Moon
> Saggi: Jupiter
> Capri: Rahu
> Pisces: Sun/Merc
>
> Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic
> road accident in year 2001.
>
> CASE # 2
>
> Male
> DOB: 9.11.1915
> TOB: 12.15 am
> POB: Porbandar India
>
> Cancer : Asc
> Cancer: Mars/ketu
> Libra: Merc/Sun
> Scorpio: Moon/Venus
> Capri: Rahu
> Aquarius: Jupiter
> Gemini: Saturn
>
> Mark Jupiter in 8th bhava.
>
> The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.
>
> To Be Continued.
>
> BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:
>

dear sir,
after reading ur contribution on whether guru a
benign/ divine planet?, it puts everyone in a fix as
to find out which planet in the solar system is a good
dispositor. My lagna is vrichigam and my moon is in
kanya, I have jupiter in Dhanus. In terms of wealth I
didnt have a big fortune during my guru dasa which
started in Jun1986 and ended in 2001. Neither did I
have any financial misfortune. One area in the article
i observe is the planet's aspect will give more
results(good or bad) than the bhava. If we have to
quote an analogy. Let us consider a 1000watts bulb
illuminating a playground. we can derive the benefit
of this bright light if we are at the middle or at the
other end of the play ground. But if we directly stand
below the illuminated bulb we cant stand even for few
mins since the heat generated from the bulb will be so
intense. I presume the same can be applied to the
planets in relation to bhava and aspects.

withgood wishes,
k.gopu






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Not everyone is in a fix I am sure! Did I tell you about the folks
with a 'd' on one side of the see-saw and a 'w' on the other?
Assuming you have read my Jupiter light post <shrinking violet that I
am!>

I love your analogy about the 1000watt bulb on the playground, but
Gopu, didn't the coach tell you to keep your eyes on the " ball" when
you are playing and not the bulb overhead?

:-)

RR


--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, K Gopu <kgopu_24@...> wrote:
>
> dear sir,
> after reading ur contribution on whether guru a
> benign/ divine planet?, it puts everyone in a fix as
> to find out which planet in the solar system is a good
> dispositor. My lagna is vrichigam and my moon is in
> kanya, I have jupiter in Dhanus. In terms of wealth I
> didnt have a big fortune during my guru dasa which
> started in Jun1986 and ended in 2001. Neither did I
> have any financial misfortune. One area in the article
> i observe is the planet's aspect will give more
> results(good or bad) than the bhava. If we have to
> quote an analogy. Let us consider a 1000watts bulb
> illuminating a playground. we can derive the benefit
> of this bright light if we are at the middle or at the
> other end of the play ground. But if we directly stand
> below the illuminated bulb we cant stand even for few
> mins since the heat generated from the bulb will be so
> intense. I presume the same can be applied to the
> planets in relation to bhava and aspects.
>
> withgood wishes,
> k.gopu
>
>
>
>
>
>
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dear Shri RR,
U r absolutely right that as a player we haveto
concenterate on the ball for which we need a good ray
of light falling on the ball and suppose a shadow
falls on the ball we may struggle to locate the ball.
Anyway i am not giving any justification on my bulb
theory, I am trying to illuminate my thought process.

with good wishes,
k.gopu



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Gopu ji,

We are building a chain of thought and ideas -- your link was
critical since it started this chain! Always remember that and keep
your eyes on the ball :-)

RR

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>
>
> dear Shri RR,
> U r absolutely right that as a player we haveto
> concenterate on the ball for which we need a good ray
> of light falling on the ball and suppose a shadow
> falls on the ball we may struggle to locate the ball.
> Anyway i am not giving any justification on my bulb
> theory, I am trying to illuminate my thought process.
>
> with good wishes,
> k.gopu
>
>
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Dear Sir,

I went through your post abt Guru.My Guru is placed in 5th house,and it conjucts with Moon,Mars & Rahu.

My parents are looking for matches since last 2 yrs and nothing is materialising.I would be greatful if you can analyze my chart and provide your advices on the same.

here are my birth details..
Jan 6,1980
Time: 12:44 PM
Birth Place: Merta City,Rajasthan , India

Dear om_tatsat_om ji,

Kindly read this chart of a person and give your valuable opinion.
DOB:21-06-1949 Time:19-56 hrs Place:Kancheepuram,Tamil nadu.
Regards,
Anusha