dear prashant ji

am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
perspective in the changed world where people started believing that
guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
highest esteem as in the previous yugas.

on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example, in
olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if a
person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated people
started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other countries
than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers say,
if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
you can see the positive language in various papers including
KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by M.S.Mehta.

any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail, all
observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported by
classics and only the language or perception is different.

with best wishes and regards
pandit arjun
--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
<gbp_kumar@...> wrote:
>
> Hio Arjun,
>
> and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
research etc
>
> GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas THE
most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents a
world without scrouples, values, ethics.
>
> if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
doing opposite.
>
> IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict between
materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it will
open and pandora's box)
>
> I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
is a malefic etc.
>
> Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important makes
u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current times
TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
>
> CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it a
job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
darshan at a temple?
> in some form there is breach of values.
>
> GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
>
> SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
>
> BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
>
> If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at this,
as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is discarded
and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their achievements
u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
>
> GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin moral,
rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a malefic
if they wish to call it one.
>
> Prashant
> 1-4-06
>
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote: dear prashant
ji
>
> the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu and
ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status. it
is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
>
> in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long threads
of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the guru
of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system. any
> dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
jupiter or guru.
> in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul style
and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing of
events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born in
the
> krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these two
systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions based
on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
>
> with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology as
a science it just does not work. astrology software in a computer
is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native just
by pressing a button.
>
> i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most respectable
word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be it
planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
>
> having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
observations.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
>
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Arjun.
> >
> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of sanskirt
works have been happening say amavasya is
> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> >
> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in
MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> >
> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8,
10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> >
> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time
of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure
one into
> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
a well
> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> >
> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN
WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> >
> > Prashant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL
> >
> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology
and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> >
> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon
from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
nectar to
> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun
and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the
head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
remained
> immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
status" and
> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
rahu
> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> >
> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
day
> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth
> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day
> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of
sun
> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> >
> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written
by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not
> have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any
conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
antardasa results due to their getting
> > the planetary status.
> >
> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
language
> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu
which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn
> as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i
was
> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
to cite
> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become
benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> >
> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
accept or reject.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > >
> > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
to
> give
> > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > >
> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> behave as
> > their sign lords.
> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as
> Nalini
> > Ji.
> > >
> > > Happy Learning till then
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > J.L
> > >
> > >
> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > Dear JL,
> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
mokshakaraka.
> being
> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
rahu
> and
> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> rays.Then
> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
explain.
> > > Regards
> > > Nalini
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he
> doesnt
> > > have any aspect.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > j.l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > respected astrologers
> > > >
> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
rahu
> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
aspects.
> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > which view is correct.
> > > >
> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
will
> the effect last.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > shri
> > >
> >
> > Prashant
> >
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Dear Friends,
From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through Phaladeepika but not of
the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is due to one of
the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if we have to have continuity
we must find changed world as different from the past.what actually sounds as
these "changes"that are gloomy and in bad taste only get highlighted and all
other good things(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day
basis) which we may not like to be mentioned.
In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the best judge of
himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach and attitude underscores
the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's superioroty(rahu centric) has led to
many electronic gadgets including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black
boards.Also the taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better) things for
which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may safely link this as
rahu.
Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to have a temple
of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama Devatas.This is just not
limited to only one kind of theology as equal number of masjids,chappels and
gurudwars ahve found palce giving room to secular minds.let's also account for
this kind of worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things
to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit and in
whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the credit to ketu.Most
of the regular forms of worships and poojas to have undergone changes and now
women 'ritviks' have also room in today's society
The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things better and where
he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to make something else as good and
the other thing as body.
In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A child teacher is
not mother or father as they have no time for themselves.So mother can not brest
feed a child and father has no time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we
keep anlysing we may be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in
terms of the crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi bazars and bird
flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of home delivery looks to be a
boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.
From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big change.what is
good and what is bad can also be made available as there are willing persons to
serve for each and every cause.This applies to services for which this may not
be a proper forum to even say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the
greatness of these developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite Institutions looks for
earning in dollors.These great Institutions feel proud of their product from the
day one even if the students feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This
product has better awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make
himself accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast one
is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable living.This
living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and in turn controlled by
human logic.It is really difficult to infer that some afflicted houses
contribute to these elite ways.
Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good and bad houses
known only through jyotishand made available to present world through ceaseless
human efforts.Perhaps the occassions that elad one to take to these recourses is
at times disappointments due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants
to succeed and make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
him and uncontrollable.
All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and do not wish to
have any obligation for the good he is able recieve.In any case every where for
every action we have boards displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN
krishnan
panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote:
dear prashant ji

am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
perspective in the changed world where people started believing that
guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
highest esteem as in the previous yugas.

on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example, in
olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if a
person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated people
started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other countries
than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers say,
if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
you can see the positive language in various papers including
KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by M.S.Mehta.

any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail, all
observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported by
classics and only the language or perception is different.

with best wishes and regards
pandit arjun
--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
<gbp_kumar@...> wrote:
>
> Hio Arjun,
>
> and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
research etc
>
> GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas THE
most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents a
world without scrouples, values, ethics.
>
> if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
doing opposite.
>
> IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict between
materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it will
open and pandora's box)
>
> I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
is a malefic etc.
>
> Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important makes
u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current times
TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
>
> CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it a
job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
darshan at a temple?
> in some form there is breach of values.
>
> GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
>
> SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
>
> BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
>
> If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at this,
as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is discarded
and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their achievements
u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
>
> GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin moral,
rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a malefic
if they wish to call it one.
>
> Prashant
> 1-4-06
>
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote: dear prashant
ji
>
> the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu and
ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status. it
is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
>
> in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long threads
of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the guru
of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system. any
> dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
jupiter or guru.
> in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul style
and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing of
events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born in
the
> krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these two
systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions based
on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
>
> with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology as
a science it just does not work. astrology software in a computer
is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native just
by pressing a button.
>
> i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most respectable
word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be it
planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
>
> having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
observations.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
>
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Arjun.
> >
> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of sanskirt
works have been happening say amavasya is
> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> >
> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in
MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> >
> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8,
10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> >
> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time
of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure
one into
> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
a well
> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> >
> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN
WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> >
> > Prashant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL
> >
> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology
and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> >
> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon
from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
nectar to
> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun
and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the
head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
remained
> immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
status" and
> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
rahu
> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> >
> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
day
> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth
> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day
> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of
sun
> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> >
> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written
by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not
> have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any
conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
antardasa results due to their getting
> > the planetary status.
> >
> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
language
> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu
which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn
> as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i
was
> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
to cite
> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become
benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> >
> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
accept or reject.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > >
> > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
to
> give
> > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > >
> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> behave as
> > their sign lords.
> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as
> Nalini
> > Ji.
> > >
> > > Happy Learning till then
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > J.L
> > >
> > >
> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > Dear JL,
> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
mokshakaraka.
> being
> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
rahu
> and
> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> rays.Then
> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
explain.
> > > Regards
> > > Nalini
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he
> doesnt
> > > have any aspect.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > j.l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > respected astrologers
> > > >
> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
rahu
> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
aspects.
> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > which view is correct.
> > > >
> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
will
> the effect last.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > shri
> > >
> >
> > Prashant
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dear krishnan ji

nice noting your exhaustive observation on the changed world
scenario and the new world order. one positive change i observed is
the increased belief in god by people from all religions and most
people visiting holy places and consulting astrologers and healers
similar to doctors and doing more meditation than they used to, so
much so that all corporates in servcies sector these days are
sending their employees to meditation exercises and spiritual
workshops.

the modern man or woman is aware of the conflicting predictions from
various systems of astrology and are only interested in results
whichever system it be. a roadside parrot cardreader or a tarrot
card reader in an airconditioned room, both are predicting even the
cricket matches and stock markets on tv screens and in public gaze,
both catering to the top and bottom segments of the suffering
natives. a leading sports channel beams tarrot card predictions on
every cricket match. in my clairvoyance i see that even financial
channels start astro predictions very soon on scrips and commodities
price movements. moneycontrol.com has as many groups on stock tips
as yahoo has on astro tips. as on date there are thousands of
astrologers who are advising tips on stock market and scrip
movements outnumbering the highly qualified technical analysts and
chartists. when best hospitals sometimes fail to cure diseases,
healers are performing miracles. i too performed several healing
acts taking the diseases and evils from the natives. the modern man
or woman's expectation from astrology is not mere prediction but a
remedy to get what the native want. this is precisely what you and
i are doing in this group for the past few years.

lalkitab has some wonderful remedies with which a malefic planet can
be converted into a benefic which i have been prescribing for
sometime. a suffering native is least concerned whether his guru is
bad or rahu is good. doctors do various kinds of diagnosis reports
and astrolgors do 100 divisional charts for their own
understanding. the native just wants a solution. this is where
this jyotish remedies group is specialised in.

with best wishes and regards
arjun

--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
<bursar_99@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is
due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are gloomy
and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day basis)
which we may not like to be mentioned.
> In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the
best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach
and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's
superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better)
things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may
safely link this as rahu.
> Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to
have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things
to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit
and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
today's society
> The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we may
be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of the
crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.
> From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to even
say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make himself
accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast
one is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable
living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and
in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the occassions
that elad one to take to these recourses is at times disappointments
due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed and
make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
him and uncontrollable.
> All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote:
> dear prashant ji
>
> am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> perspective in the changed world where people started believing
that
> guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
>
> on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example,
in
> olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if
a
> person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
people
> started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
> that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
countries
> than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
> and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
> for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
> afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
> the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
> earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
say,
> if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
> you can see the positive language in various papers including
> KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
M.S.Mehta.
>
> any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
all
> observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
by
> classics and only the language or perception is different.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hio Arjun,
> >
> > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> research etc
> >
> > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
THE
> most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents
a
> world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> >
> > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
> doing opposite.
> >
> > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
between
> materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
will
> open and pandora's box)
> >
> > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
> is a malefic etc.
> >
> > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
makes
> u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
times
> TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> >
> > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it
a
> job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> darshan at a temple?
> > in some form there is breach of values.
> >
> > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> >
> > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
> >
> > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
> but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> >
> > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
> it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
this,
> as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
discarded
> and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
achievements
> u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
> values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> >
> > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
> Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
moral,
> rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
malefic
> if they wish to call it one.
> >
> > Prashant
> > 1-4-06
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> ji
> >
> > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
and
> ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
> uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status.
it
> is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
> karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
> karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
> astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> >
> > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
threads
> of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
guru
> of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
any
> > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
> than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
> placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
> able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
> as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
> jupiter or guru.
> > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
style
> and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
> on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
> contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing
of
> events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
in
> the
> > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
two
> systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
> different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
based
> on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> >
> > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
> energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology
as
> a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
computer
> is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
just
> by pressing a button.
> >
> > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
respectable
> word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
> the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
it
> planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> >
> > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
> each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> observations.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Arjun.
> > >
> > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
> can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
sanskirt
> works have been happening say amavasya is
> > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > >
> > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
in
> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > >
> > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
3,6,8,
> 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > >
> > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
time
> of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
lure
> one into
> > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
> a well
> > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > >
> > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
IN
> WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend
JL
> > >
> > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
mythology
> and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > >
> > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
boon
> from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
> nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> nectar to
> > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
sun
> and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
> the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
the
> head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> remained
> > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> status" and
> > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
> rahu
> > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > >
> > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
> day
> > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
earth
> > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
day
> > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light
of
> sun
> > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > >
> > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
written
> by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
not
> > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
> rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
any
> conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
> or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
> their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> antardasa results due to their getting
> > > the planetary status.
> > >
> > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> language
> > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
ketu
> which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
saturn
> > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
> as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently
i
> was
> > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
> rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
> to cite
> > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
become
> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > >
> > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
> accept or reject.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
> to
> > give
> > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > >
> > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> > behave as
> > > their sign lords.
> > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well
as
> > Nalini
> > > Ji.
> > > >
> > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > J.L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > Dear JL,
> > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> mokshakaraka.
> > being
> > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
> rahu
> > and
> > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> > rays.Then
> > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> explain.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nalini
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless
he
> > doesnt
> > > > have any aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > j.l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > >
> > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> rahu
> > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> aspects.
> > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
> will
> > the effect last.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > shri
> > > >
> > >
> > > Prashant
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Krishnanji,
Change is inevitable, after all our senses and lives are a function
of time.
The value of Jupiter or Guru cannot be negated in any age.
Similarly, even in the good old days Rahu and Ketu played their role
and continue doing so even today.
For what would be good if there is no bad.
For what would be joy if there was no sorrow.
They are all a part of our karma and we need to reddem ourselves
through our own karmas.
regards
rishi


--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
<bursar_99@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is
due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are gloomy
and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day basis)
which we may not like to be mentioned.
> In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the
best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach
and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's
superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better)
things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may
safely link this as rahu.
> Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to
have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things
to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit
and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
today's society
> The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we may
be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of the
crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.
> From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to even
say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make himself
accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast
one is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable
living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and
in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the occassions
that elad one to take to these recourses is at times disappointments
due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed and
make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
him and uncontrollable.
> All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote:
> dear prashant ji
>
> am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> perspective in the changed world where people started believing
that
> guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
>
> on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example,
in
> olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if
a
> person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
people
> started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
> that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
countries
> than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
> and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
> for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
> afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
> the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
> earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
say,
> if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
> you can see the positive language in various papers including
> KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
M.S.Mehta.
>
> any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
all
> observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
by
> classics and only the language or perception is different.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hio Arjun,
> >
> > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> research etc
> >
> > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
THE
> most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents
a
> world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> >
> > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
> doing opposite.
> >
> > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
between
> materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
will
> open and pandora's box)
> >
> > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
> is a malefic etc.
> >
> > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
makes
> u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
times
> TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> >
> > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it
a
> job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> darshan at a temple?
> > in some form there is breach of values.
> >
> > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> >
> > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
> >
> > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
> but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> >
> > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
> it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
this,
> as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
discarded
> and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
achievements
> u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
> values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> >
> > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
> Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
moral,
> rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
malefic
> if they wish to call it one.
> >
> > Prashant
> > 1-4-06
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> ji
> >
> > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
and
> ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
> uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status.
it
> is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
> karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
> karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
> astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> >
> > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
threads
> of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
guru
> of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
any
> > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
> than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
> placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
> able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
> as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
> jupiter or guru.
> > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
style
> and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
> on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
> contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing
of
> events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
in
> the
> > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
two
> systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
> different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
based
> on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> >
> > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
> energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology
as
> a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
computer
> is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
just
> by pressing a button.
> >
> > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
respectable
> word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
> the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
it
> planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> >
> > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
> each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> observations.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Arjun.
> > >
> > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
> can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
sanskirt
> works have been happening say amavasya is
> > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > >
> > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
in
> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > >
> > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
3,6,8,
> 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > >
> > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
time
> of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
lure
> one into
> > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
> a well
> > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > >
> > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
IN
> WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend
JL
> > >
> > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
mythology
> and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > >
> > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
boon
> from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
> nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> nectar to
> > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
sun
> and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
> the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
the
> head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> remained
> > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> status" and
> > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
> rahu
> > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > >
> > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
> day
> > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
earth
> > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
day
> > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light
of
> sun
> > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > >
> > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
written
> by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
not
> > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
> rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
any
> conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
> or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
> their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> antardasa results due to their getting
> > > the planetary status.
> > >
> > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> language
> > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
ketu
> which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
saturn
> > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
> as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently
i
> was
> > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
> rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
> to cite
> > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
become
> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > >
> > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
> accept or reject.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
> to
> > give
> > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > >
> > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> > behave as
> > > their sign lords.
> > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well
as
> > Nalini
> > > Ji.
> > > >
> > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > J.L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > Dear JL,
> > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> mokshakaraka.
> > being
> > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
> rahu
> > and
> > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> > rays.Then
> > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> explain.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nalini
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless
he
> > doesnt
> > > > have any aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > j.l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > >
> > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> rahu
> > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> aspects.
> > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
> will
> > the effect last.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > shri
> > > >
> > >
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Rishi ji,
You are absolutely right as long we donot meddle with 'scientific
approaches'.That is why learned men(felt"The Karma theory is so difficult to
understand,was the stepping stone to astrological information"
You are right that from past to present thechanges taking palcesare no doubt
but yet"why" is difficult to explain really.But that is how changes have been
happening around.Is this " why that represents science and underscores
Astrology?
our Gurus or jupiters have put in their humble words if we have to honour them
regards
krishnan

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in@...> wrote:
Krishnanji,
Change is inevitable, after all our senses and lives are a function
of time.
The value of Jupiter or Guru cannot be negated in any age.
Similarly, even in the good old days Rahu and Ketu played their role
and continue doing so even today.
For what would be good if there is no bad.
For what would be joy if there was no sorrow.
They are all a part of our karma and we need to reddem ourselves
through our own karmas.
regards
rishi


--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
<bursar_99@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is
due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are gloomy
and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day basis)
which we may not like to be mentioned.
> In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the
best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach
and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's
superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better)
things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may
safely link this as rahu.
> Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to
have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things
to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit
and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
today's society
> The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we may
be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of the
crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.
> From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to even
say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make himself
accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast
one is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable
living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and
in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the occassions
that elad one to take to these recourses is at times disappointments
due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed and
make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
him and uncontrollable.
> All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote:
> dear prashant ji
>
> am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> perspective in the changed world where people started believing
that
> guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
>
> on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example,
in
> olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if
a
> person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
people
> started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
> that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
countries
> than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
> and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
> for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
> afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
> the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
> earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
say,
> if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
> you can see the positive language in various papers including
> KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
M.S.Mehta.
>
> any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
all
> observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
by
> classics and only the language or perception is different.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hio Arjun,
> >
> > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> research etc
> >
> > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
THE
> most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents
a
> world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> >
> > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
> doing opposite.
> >
> > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
between
> materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
will
> open and pandora's box)
> >
> > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
> is a malefic etc.
> >
> > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
makes
> u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
times
> TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> >
> > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it
a
> job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> darshan at a temple?
> > in some form there is breach of values.
> >
> > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> >
> > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
> >
> > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
> but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> >
> > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
> it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
this,
> as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
discarded
> and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
achievements
> u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
> values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> >
> > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
> Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
moral,
> rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
malefic
> if they wish to call it one.
> >
> > Prashant
> > 1-4-06
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> ji
> >
> > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
and
> ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
> uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status.
it
> is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
> karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
> karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
> astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> >
> > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
threads
> of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
guru
> of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
any
> > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
> than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
> placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
> able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
> as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
> jupiter or guru.
> > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
style
> and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
> on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
> contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing
of
> events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
in
> the
> > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
two
> systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
> different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
based
> on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> >
> > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
> energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology
as
> a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
computer
> is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
just
> by pressing a button.
> >
> > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
respectable
> word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
> the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
it
> planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> >
> > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
> each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> observations.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Arjun.
> > >
> > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
> can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
sanskirt
> works have been happening say amavasya is
> > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > >
> > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
in
> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > >
> > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
3,6,8,
> 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > >
> > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
time
> of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
lure
> one into
> > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
> a well
> > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > >
> > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
IN
> WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend
JL
> > >
> > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
mythology
> and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > >
> > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
boon
> from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
> nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> nectar to
> > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
sun
> and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
> the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
the
> head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> remained
> > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> status" and
> > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
> rahu
> > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > >
> > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
> day
> > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
earth
> > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
day
> > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light
of
> sun
> > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > >
> > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
written
> by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
not
> > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
> rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
any
> conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
> or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
> their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> antardasa results due to their getting
> > > the planetary status.
> > >
> > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> language
> > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
ketu
> which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
saturn
> > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
> as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently
i
> was
> > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
> rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
> to cite
> > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
become
> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > >
> > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
> accept or reject.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
> to
> > give
> > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > >
> > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> > behave as
> > > their sign lords.
> > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well
as
> > Nalini
> > > Ji.
> > > >
> > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > J.L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > Dear JL,
> > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> mokshakaraka.
> > being
> > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
> rahu
> > and
> > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> > rays.Then
> > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> explain.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nalini
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless
he
> > doesnt
> > > > have any aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > j.l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > >
> > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> rahu
> > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> aspects.
> > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
> will
> > the effect last.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > shri
> > > >
> > >
> > > Prashant
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[Om Namo Narayanaya]
Rishi ji,
Well said. The only thing permanent in this world is change. "Guru"
is a blessing, whether Deva Guru, Asura Guru or Human Guru. He is
who leads you in times of darkness into light/knowledge and one who
leads you into light cannot be malefic. If guru destroys the bhava
say he is in the seventh, how does he destroy it? creating
disillusionment, giving the reality but does he not in turn make you
aware of the intransience of it all. Does he not help transmogrify?
after all. you would appreciate marital life better when so,
stripped off the rose tints and in stark colors.would that not make
you better equipped to deal with harsher realities of life? More
ammo? I reckon that in itself is a blessing, in fact the most
valuable in all.
Rahu and ketu they are but a reflection of our own shadows, or
confusions, if it were to be light always? we do need the greys and
blacks for the balance. Whether headless, tail less with graha
drishti or rashi drishti they are omnipresent in every chart.
If they are dispensible why have them? Ok go ahead with the seven
karakas,leave out the duo. But does that rid the chart of basic
significators?
When we have the future mapped out in the chart, our various karmas
done and ongoing can we escape the inevitable? The best done would
be to find a way of remedying the same be it through free will,
gemstones, mantras etc? I am sure all of them would work if done
in "faith". I dont advocate fatalism , but reality, accepting,
adapting, learning, coping and winning is what life is all about.
For me atleast!!!
Regards
Nalini
--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "rishi_2000in"
<rishi_2000in@...> wrote:
>
> Krishnanji,
> Change is inevitable, after all our senses and lives are a
function
> of time.
> The value of Jupiter or Guru cannot be negated in any age.
> Similarly, even in the good old days Rahu and Ketu played their
role
> and continue doing so even today.
> For what would be good if there is no bad.
> For what would be joy if there was no sorrow.
> They are all a part of our karma and we need to reddem ourselves
> through our own karmas.
> regards
> rishi
>
>
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
> <bursar_99@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
> Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> > ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society
is
> due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
> we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
> from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are
gloomy
> and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
> (there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day
basis)
> which we may not like to be mentioned.
> > In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is
the
> best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This
approach
> and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of
rahu's
> superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
> including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
> taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
> gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all
(better)
> things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we
may
> safely link this as rahu.
> > Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast
to
> have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
> Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
> equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
> giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
> worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel
things
> to have found place in today's world.So the
preacher,purohit,pandit
> and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
> credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
> have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
> today's society
> > The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
> better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
> make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> > In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
> child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
> themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
> time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we
may
> be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of
the
> crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
> thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
> bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
> home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to
asuraguru.
> > From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
> change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
> there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
> applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to
even
> say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
> developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> > Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
> Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
> feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
> feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
> awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make
himself
> accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how
fast
> one is able to master many things needed for a happy and
comfortable
> living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms
and
> in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
> that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> > Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
> and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
> present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the
occassions
> that elad one to take to these recourses is at times
disappointments
> due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed
and
> make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
> him and uncontrollable.
> > All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
> do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
> recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
> displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> > S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
> ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:
> > dear prashant ji
> >
> > am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> > perspective in the changed world where people started believing
> that
> > guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> > where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> > highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
> >
> > on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for
example,
> in
> > olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as
if
> a
> > person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> > migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
> people
> > started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> > motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling
happy
> > that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
> countries
> > than in their motherland. still there are many professors in
IITs
> > and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> > profession even while watching most of their students going
abroad
> > for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses
are
> > afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is
there,
> > the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> > written the combinations that make a native go abroad for
earning
> > earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> > presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
> say,
> > if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> > planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> > house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles
abroad.
> > you can see the positive language in various papers including
> > KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
> M.S.Mehta.
> >
> > any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
> all
> > observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
> by
> > classics and only the language or perception is different.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hio Arjun,
> > >
> > > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> > research etc
> > >
> > > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
> THE
> > most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga
represents
> a
> > world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> > >
> > > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> > murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare
r
> > doing opposite.
> > >
> > > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> > blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> > Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
> between
> > materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
> will
> > open and pandora's box)
> > >
> > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in
or
> > is a malefic etc.
> > >
> > > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
> makes
> > u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
> times
> > TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> > >
> > > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be
it
> a
> > job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> > darshan at a temple?
> > > in some form there is breach of values.
> > >
> > > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> > >
> > > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> > people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to
count.
> > >
> > > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru
does.
> > but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> > >
> > > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is
on.
> > it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
> this,
> > as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
> discarded
> > and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> > consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> > familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
> achievements
> > u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family
relationships
> > values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> > >
> > > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> > MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the
qualities
> > Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
> moral,
> > rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
> malefic
> > if they wish to call it one.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > > 1-4-06
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> > ji
> > >
> > > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> > older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
> and
> > ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any
rashi,
> > uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> > results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary
status.
> it
> > is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics
as
> > karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles
of "vairagya
> > karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so,
other
> > astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> > >
> > > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> > astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
> threads
> > of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several
groups.
> > > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> > personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
> guru
> > of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
> any
> > > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> > conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of
more
> > than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated
or
> > placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is
not
> > able to help him because of this and that but never paint
jupiter
> > as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show
towards
> > jupiter or guru.
> > > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
> style
> > and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> > mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more
based
> > on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so
many
> > contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> > intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for
timing
> of
> > events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> > shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
> in
> > the
> > > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
> two
> > systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are
all
> > different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
> based
> > on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> > astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> > >
> > > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the
divine
> > energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> > correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on
astrology
> as
> > a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
> computer
> > is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
> just
> > by pressing a button.
> > >
> > > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
> respectable
> > word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and
benefits
> > the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
> it
> > planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> > criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> > >
> > > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression
of
> > each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> > observations.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Arjun.
> > > >
> > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u
quoted
> > can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> > researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> > Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
> sanskirt
> > works have been happening say amavasya is
> > > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > > >
> > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
> in
> > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination,
and
> > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > > >
> > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> > plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> > than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> > humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
> 3,6,8,
> > 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > > >
> > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
> time
> > of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> > strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
> lure
> > one into
> > > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> > its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed
by
> > a well
> > > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > > >
> > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
> IN
> > WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> > standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > > >
> > > > Prashant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear
friend
> JL
> > > >
> > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
> mythology
> > and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > > >
> > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
> boon
> > from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet.
when
> > nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> > nectar to
> > > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
> sun
> > and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> > snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached
to
> > the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
> the
> > head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> > remained
> > > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> > status" and
> > > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories
of
> > rahu
> > > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > > >
> > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new
moon
> > day
> > > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
> earth
> > > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon
from
> > > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
> day
> > > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and
light
> of
> > sun
> > > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > > >
> > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
> written
> > by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
> not
> > > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and
mooltrikon.
> > rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
> any
> > conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each
sign
> > or house was given since stars were allocated to them because
of
> > their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> > antardasa results due to their getting
> > > > the planetary status.
> > > >
> > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> > rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> > language
> > > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
> ketu
> > which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
> saturn
> > > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and
ketu
> > as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages.
recently
> i
> > was
> > > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as
a
> > rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they
chose
> > to cite
> > > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> > trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
> become
> > benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > > >
> > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic
to
> > accept or reject.
> > > >
> > > > with best wishes and regards
> > > > pandit arjun
> > > >
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > > >
> > > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be
able
> > to
> > > give
> > > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as
planets.
> > > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > > >
> > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic
they
> > > behave as
> > > > their sign lords.
> > > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as
well
> as
> > > Nalini
> > > > Ji.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > J.L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > > Dear JL,
> > > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> > mokshakaraka.
> > > being
> > > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said
because
> > rahu
> > > and
> > > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi-
the
> > > rays.Then
> > > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> > explain.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Nalini
> > > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish
Learner
> > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is
headless
> he
> > > doesnt
> > > > > have any aspect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > j.l
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> > rahu
> > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> > aspects.
> > > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till
when
> > will
> > > the effect last.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > > shri
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Prashant
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And all these indicators and indicated are within one's self in
reality. Just as the planets we were born with are within -- the
microcosmos whose shadow or projection we see above when we do surya
namaskaar!

RR

--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "auromirra19"
<nalini2818@...> wrote:
>
> [Om Namo Narayanaya]
> Rishi ji,
> Well said. The only thing permanent in this world is change. "Guru"
> is a blessing, whether Deva Guru, Asura Guru or Human Guru. He is
> who leads you in times of darkness into light/knowledge and one who
> leads you into light cannot be malefic. If guru destroys the bhava
> say he is in the seventh, how does he destroy it? creating
> disillusionment, giving the reality but does he not in turn make
you
> aware of the intransience of it all. Does he not help transmogrify?
> after all. you would appreciate marital life better when so,
> stripped off the rose tints and in stark colors.would that not make
> you better equipped to deal with harsher realities of life? More
> ammo? I reckon that in itself is a blessing, in fact the most
> valuable in all.
> Rahu and ketu they are but a reflection of our own shadows, or
> confusions, if it were to be light always? we do need the greys and
> blacks for the balance. Whether headless, tail less with graha
> drishti or rashi drishti they are omnipresent in every chart.
> If they are dispensible why have them? Ok go ahead with the seven
> karakas,leave out the duo. But does that rid the chart of basic
> significators?
> When we have the future mapped out in the chart, our various karmas
> done and ongoing can we escape the inevitable? The best done would
> be to find a way of remedying the same be it through free will,
> gemstones, mantras etc? I am sure all of them would work if done
> in "faith". I dont advocate fatalism , but reality, accepting,
> adapting, learning, coping and winning is what life is all about.
> For me atleast!!!
> Regards
> Nalini
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "rishi_2000in"
> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:
> >
> > Krishnanji,
> > Change is inevitable, after all our senses and lives are a
> function
> > of time.
> > The value of Jupiter or Guru cannot be negated in any age.
> > Similarly, even in the good old days Rahu and Ketu played their
> role
> > and continue doing so even today.
> > For what would be good if there is no bad.
> > For what would be joy if there was no sorrow.
> > They are all a part of our karma and we need to reddem ourselves
> > through our own karmas.
> > regards
> > rishi
> >
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
> > <bursar_99@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
> > Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> > > ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society
> is
> > due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase
if
> > we have to have continuity we must find changed world as
different
> > from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are
> gloomy
> > and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
> > (there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day
> basis)
> > which we may not like to be mentioned.
> > > In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is
> the
> > best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This
> approach
> > and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of
> rahu's
> > superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
> > including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also
the
> > taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
> > gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all
> (better)
> > things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we
> may
> > safely link this as rahu.
> > > Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast
> to
> > have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
> > Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
> > equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
> > giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
> > worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel
> things
> > to have found place in today's world.So the
> preacher,purohit,pandit
> > and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
> > credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas
to
> > have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
> > today's society
> > > The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
> > better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
> > make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> > > In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
> > child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
> > themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
> > time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we
> may
> > be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of
> the
> > crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
> > thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
> > bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
> > home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to
> asuraguru.
> > > From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
> > change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
> > there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
> > applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to
> even
> > say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
> > developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> > > Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
> > Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great
Institutions
> > feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
> > feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has
better
> > awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make
> himself
> > accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how
> fast
> > one is able to master many things needed for a happy and
> comfortable
> > living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms
> and
> > in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
> > that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> > > Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the
good
> > and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
> > present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the
> occassions
> > that elad one to take to these recourses is at times
> disappointments
> > due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed
> and
> > make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
> > him and uncontrollable.
> > > All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement
and
> > do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
> > recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
> > displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> > > S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
> > ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:
> > > dear prashant ji
> > >
> > > am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> > > perspective in the changed world where people started believing
> > that
> > > guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> > > where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the
same
> > > highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
> > >
> > > on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for
> example,
> > in
> > > olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as
> if
> > a
> > > person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> > > migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
> > people
> > > started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> > > motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling
> happy
> > > that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
> > countries
> > > than in their motherland. still there are many professors in
> IITs
> > > and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> > > profession even while watching most of their students going
> abroad
> > > for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses
> are
> > > afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is
> there,
> > > the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> > > written the combinations that make a native go abroad for
> earning
> > > earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> > > presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
> > say,
> > > if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> > > planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or
that
> > > house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles
> abroad.
> > > you can see the positive language in various papers including
> > > KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
> > M.S.Mehta.
> > >
> > > any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
> > all
> > > observations of luminaries are true based on facts and
supported
> > by
> > > classics and only the language or perception is different.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hio Arjun,
> > > >
> > > > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> > > research etc
> > > >
> > > > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
> > THE
> > > most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga
> represents
> > a
> > > world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> > > >
> > > > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> > > murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > > > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public
welfare
> r
> > > doing opposite.
> > > >
> > > > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> > > blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> > > Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
> > between
> > > materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
> > will
> > > open and pandora's box)
> > > >
> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in
> or
> > > is a malefic etc.
> > > >
> > > > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
> > makes
> > > u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
> > times
> > > TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> > > >
> > > > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > > > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be
> it
> > a
> > > job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> > > darshan at a temple?
> > > > in some form there is breach of values.
> > > >
> > > > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> > > >
> > > > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> > > people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to
> count.
> > > >
> > > > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru
> does.
> > > but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> > > >
> > > > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is
> on.
> > > it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
> > this,
> > > as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
> > discarded
> > > and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> > > consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> > > familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
> > achievements
> > > u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family
> relationships
> > > values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> > > >
> > > > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> > > MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the
> qualities
> > > Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
> > moral,
> > > rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
> > malefic
> > > if they wish to call it one.
> > > >
> > > > Prashant
> > > > 1-4-06
> > > >
> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear
prashant
> > > ji
> > > >
> > > > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> > > older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon
rahu
> > and
> > > ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any
> rashi,
> > > uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> > > results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary
> status.
> > it
> > > is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics
> as
> > > karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles
> of "vairagya
> > > karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so,
> other
> > > astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> > > >
> > > > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> > > astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
> > threads
> > > of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several
> groups.
> > > > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> > > personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
> > guru
> > > of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar
system.
> > any
> > > > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> > > conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of
> more
> > > than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated
> or
> > > placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is
> not
> > > able to help him because of this and that but never paint
> jupiter
> > > as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show
> towards
> > > jupiter or guru.
> > > > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
> > style
> > > and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> > > mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more
> based
> > > on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so
> many
> > > contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only
divine
> > > intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for
> timing
> > of
> > > events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> > > shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is
born
> > in
> > > the
> > > > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
> > two
> > > systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are
> all
> > > different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
> > based
> > > on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> > > astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> > > >
> > > > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the
> divine
> > > energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> > > correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on
> astrology
> > as
> > > a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
> > computer
> > > is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
> > just
> > > by pressing a button.
> > > >
> > > > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
> > respectable
> > > word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and
> benefits
> > > the native. this is the way people like you and me look at
lord
> > > > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru,
be
> > it
> > > planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> > > criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> > > >
> > > > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression
> of
> > > each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with
my
> > > observations.
> > > >
> > > > with best wishes and regards
> > > > pandit arjun
> > > >
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Arjun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u
> quoted
> > > can help people who want to know more direct just like the
neo-
> > > researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> > > Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
> > sanskirt
> > > works have been happening say amavasya is
> > > > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > > > >
> > > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can
be
> > in
> > > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination,
> and
> > > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a
different
> > > plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as
the
> > > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a
name
> > > than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> > > humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
> > 3,6,8,
> > > 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
> > time
> > > of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> > > strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
> > lure
> > > one into
> > > > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out
it
> > > its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed
> by
> > > a well
> > > > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > > > >
> > > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST
LIVE
> > IN
> > > WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v
high
> > > standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prashant
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear
> friend
> > JL
> > > > >
> > > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
> > mythology
> > > and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
> > boon
> > > from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet.
> when
> > > nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> > > nectar to
> > > > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
> > sun
> > > and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later
a
> > > snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached
> to
> > > the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached
to
> > the
> > > head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> > > remained
> > > > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and
given "planetary
> > > status" and
> > > > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories
> of
> > > rahu
> > > > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > > > >
> > > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new
> moon
> > > day
> > > > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
> > earth
> > > > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon
> from
> > > > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
> > day
> > > > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and
> light
> > of
> > > sun
> > > > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
> > written
> > > by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also
does
> > not
> > > > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and
> mooltrikon.
> > > rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
> > any
> > > conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in
these
> > > > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each
> sign
> > > or house was given since stars were allocated to them because
> of
> > > their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> > > antardasa results due to their getting
> > > > > the planetary status.
> > > > >
> > > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu
are
> > > rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> > > language
> > > > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
> > ketu
> > > which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
> > saturn
> > > > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and
> ketu
> > > as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages.
> recently
> > i
> > > was
> > > > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as
> a
> > > rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they
> chose
> > > to cite
> > > > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> > > trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
> > become
> > > benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > > > >
> > > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic
> to
> > > accept or reject.
> > > > >
> > > > > with best wishes and regards
> > > > > pandit arjun
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish
Learner
> > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be
> able
> > > to
> > > > give
> > > > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as
> planets.
> > > > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic
> they
> > > > behave as
> > > > > their sign lords.
> > > > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as
> well
> > as
> > > > Nalini
> > > > > Ji.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > J.L
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > > > Dear JL,
> > > > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> > > mokshakaraka.
> > > > being
> > > > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said
> because
> > > rahu
> > > > and
> > > > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi-
> the
> > > > rays.Then
> > > > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> > > explain.
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Nalini
> > > > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish
> Learner
> > > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is
> headless
> > he
> > > > doesnt
> > > > > > have any aspect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > j.l
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> > > rahu
> > > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> > > aspects.
> > > > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till
> when
> > > will
> > > > the effect last.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > shri
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Prashant
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