Dear Svsmanyam?

I think you bring up a good idea....

It's always appropriate to talk about the Higher Realties of Jyotish...

I think this is especially, appropriate...since Moon, herself is transiting
Leo, where almighty Jupiter is presently residing...

I don't think we have to not focus on mundane Astrology, because the world
is where we all live...

and Jyotish is meant to help us with everything regarding our 'material'
existences, as well as our Spiritual journeys...

Though it's a nice change of pace, to talk about the 'deeper aspects'....


It's like to start by saying... or quoting from His Holiness Maharishi
Parashara, who says in his Volume on Hora Astrology....

"In the beginning Lord Vishnu enters into the Grahas, to bring to his
devotees, all the consequences of their karmas."

I just love this quote because it explains a lot...

To, me it explains that the Lord, Himself.....is at the basis of Every!
Jyotish phenomena....

So, really, there are no essentially, 'malefic' planets....they all have
a purpose ....

and it behooves us to figure out what that Divine lesson might me....

For example, we experience deep, Saturn losses in life, whether it's the
loss of a job, health, or loved one....

and we normally brand Saturn as a un-godly, malefic entity!

But, if it's really true that Lord Vishnu is the true, inner reality of each
planet, then it's the Lord, himself, that is giving us back these karmas...

So, why?

Well, I can speak from experience, having a Libra rising, Saturn is my
rajayoga planet, thought to be the most benefic for Librans....

But, Saturn was in my 12th house when I was born, so I've gone through a
number of griefs, and losses in my early life.....

Then, when I started learning Jyotish, I thought oh, good, I'm understanding
Saturn, and maybe He will become a benefic for me...

But, when I entered my Saturn Mahadasa period in 1991... I began to
experience a series of losses, on a scale, previously not even glimpsed at!


After about a year, I lost all the money that I had saved, to start a brand
new Marriage.

My new wife got a kidney stone ...and needed an operation which was another
5,000 dollars...

Our car blew up,... ie...lord of my 4th!....

and We got pregnant, my wife, that is! hehe, but....after 4 months, the baby
stopped functioning... and so we lost the baby....

5th House is 12th....

and then my wife and I separated... went through a bankruptcy...
and then, finally divorced over the next few years....

and oh, yes...my dad passed away....

all in my first 6 years of Saturn....

Well, as you can imagine, I was freaking out...but I knew one thing...

I knew Saturn was responsible....so I said to Him: 'Saturn I know it is
you! But, I thought I was in-tune with you?"

And I heard a laughter like I've never heard in my whole life...and ! it
went on for at least 3 minutes....

And finally, when he subsided I said..."okay, well, mayble I'm not...so
tell me what more should I do?"

And he said...."Deep silence.....deep,....deep silence"


And thus, I began my great surrender, devotion and love of Saturn....

because the idea of spending the next 12 years encountering more and more
grief! didn't sound very appealing....

And I'm happy, now to report, even in only a couple of years....

each day, studying Saturn....and watching him go through his different
transits...

And seeking to find myself...experiencing and developing more,...internal
Silence!.....

I'm happy to say.... that my life has smoothed out...become more joyous
again....

and yet, now, I refuse to move ahead or try to progress unless I feel
Saturn's blessings.....



So, each Planet is like this....

Each one is really, just the right or left hand of God.... giving us our
karmas... so we learn particular lessons....


And now, I know that Saturn & Jupiter are the 2 primary Spiritual
planets....

Jupiter gives us grace and expansion of life.....

and Saturn gives us contraction, and teaches us to seek silence and solitude

where God, resides, as well!



Hope this answers your desire to start talking more, about the spiritual
Natures or Realities....of Jyotish....



Sincerely,



Mark Kincaid




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>From: "svsmanyam" <svsmanyam@...>
>To: jyotish_remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: [JR] Are we intrested only In Mandane Astrology or ...?
>Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 12:58 PM
>

> Dear Brothers
>
> As a beginner i was once interested in the Mandane Astrology which
> we are taking about, say about the effects of the planets, dasas etc.
> After passing through a period of time i realised that this is very
> cheap utilisation of astrology. and If we know the Spiritual
> astrology then the mandane astrology automatically stop influencing
> us. But it took a while for me, though I got a very competent Guru
> who really really protected me from many things and taught me the
> higher keys to open the secrets of the universe.
> But as a beginner i was having the curiosity to know the future and
> after the lapse of time i realised that i waste my time on the cheap
> thing which will be given a free gift if we know the higher
> utilisation. It is like if u purchase a car then the dealer will
> give u the mudflaps for ur car. or u can take better examples like
> wise.
> So basing on my experience i would like to suggest let us get into
> the discussions of the higher utilisation of Astrology and the
> secrets and symbolysm of the scriptures. for this i come forward to
> post some articles so that we will have some insight towards the
> planets, karma, and representation of each planets, sign, its
> relation. with that we will not stuck with the planets, signs,
> bhavas but we will know how to use the forces given by the God in a
> better way and for the benefit of the people we are not insigted to
> this.
>
> Is it ok for all?
>
>
>
>
> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~
>
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>
>

Dear Mark,

That was quite an eye opener. I believe that we have a
bank account of Karma that needs to be dispersed if we
need to reach the ultimate reality of our lives (that
is to reach god - at least that's the reality that I
have defined for myself) ...

Now there are two aspects to it ... clearing off the
karma of the past (good as well as bad) and not adding
any more karma to the current account ... and that can
happen by realising that what we do in our real lives
is but as a representative of lord vishnu himself ...
so giving back what belongs to him and not owning is
the simplest way of attaining this ...

how do we clear our previous debt then?? Guru is one
answer that I know of ... I would be glad if anyone
can tell me other ways ... I believe that the silence
that you are talking about, Mark could be the key??

In your case, I am intrigued to know if there was
something wrong that you did before saturn came into
your life ... or if it's the karma of past life??

I dont understand how we rationalize this (if at all
we should) ... we do bad karma in one phase of life
and it will extend it's presence to the other phases
of life ... in which case what carries on to next
life???

There are practices in Yoga that tell you that if you
are in tune with the reality, the past and future will
be known to you like present ... In which case does it
reduce the importance of astrology???
I guess not, because of two reasons:
a) Being in tune with the ultimate reality in itself
not easy .. though its a state that we all must
eventually reach ...
b) Even when we reach there, It is sometimes good to
realise that we should deal with the aspects of this
life with the senses given to deal with them namely
the intellect and preserve the rest only for the
contemplation of god and the betterment of mankind on
the whole ... I believe that sages and seers have
given us astrology to simplify and reduce the great
cosmic dance into a set of rules that we can
contemplate with the intellect and deal with the our
mundane life ...

In effect I believe that we should use astrology to
analyse our life and dispel bitterness when bad times
come and not be overly egoistic when the good times
come (in a way this is what gita tells you when it
talks about detachment to the outcomes??) .. and
aspire to integrate it with all other things in life
because essentially everything in life is
interconnected ... or at least I see it that way ..
astrology, spiritualism, vaastu, tantra etc etc ..
they are all the means to finally allow us to make us
experience the log of karma we have ... and they make
no further meaning once we dont allow karma to touch
us ...

Just as a tail piece .. one of my uncles was having a
continued spell of bad luck ... he consulted several
people from several walks of life ... Vaastu expert
told him the ills in the house he was living to be the
cause of his misfortune ... astrology expert told him
that it was the ill placement of saturn that was the
cause of his problems ... someone also told him that
one of his friends used black magic against him (he
actually gave a whole list of mantras used agaisnt
him) ... which was true?? or were all of them true??
I dont know the answer but I feel that these are all
means just for an effect ... because there is a biggg
list of misdeeds that he did himself to others ...

Comments and brick bats are welcome ... I would like
to learn more ...

Regarding one of the prev mails about mantras ...
I believe that Lakshmi Narsimha swamy stotram is by
far very effective in dealing with Saturn or his warth
.... I am just writing it here for you if you want to
try it out ...

Ugram veeram maha vishnum, Jvalantam sarvatomukham ...

Nrusimham Bheeshanam Bhadram ... mrutyum mrutyum
Namamyaham ...

Sarve janah sukhino bhavantu ..

Surya.

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@...> wrote:
> Dear Svsmanyam?
>
> I think you bring up a good idea....
>
> It's always appropriate to talk about the Higher
> Realties of Jyotish...
>
> I think this is especially, appropriate...since
> Moon, herself is transiting
> Leo, where almighty Jupiter is presently residing...
>
> I don't think we have to not focus on mundane
> Astrology, because the world
> is where we all live...
>
> and Jyotish is meant to help us with everything
> regarding our 'material'
> existences, as well as our Spiritual journeys...
>
> Though it's a nice change of pace, to talk about the
> 'deeper aspects'....
>
>
> It's like to start by saying... or quoting from His
> Holiness Maharishi
> Parashara, who says in his Volume on Hora
> Astrology....
>
> "In the beginning Lord Vishnu enters into the
> Grahas, to bring to his
> devotees, all the consequences of their karmas."
>
> I just love this quote because it explains a lot...
>
> To, me it explains that the Lord, Himself.....is at
> the basis of Every!
> Jyotish phenomena....
>
> So, really, there are no essentially, 'malefic'
> planets....they all have
> a purpose ....
>
> and it behooves us to figure out what that Divine
> lesson might me....
>
> For example, we experience deep, Saturn losses in
> life, whether it's the
> loss of a job, health, or loved one....
>
> and we normally brand Saturn as a un-godly, malefic
> entity!
>
> But, if it's really true that Lord Vishnu is the
> true, inner reality of each
> planet, then it's the Lord, himself, that is giving
> us back these karmas...
>
> So, why?
>
> Well, I can speak from experience, having a Libra
> rising, Saturn is my
> rajayoga planet, thought to be the most benefic for
> Librans....
>
> But, Saturn was in my 12th house when I was born, so
> I've gone through a
> number of griefs, and losses in my early life.....
>
> Then, when I started learning Jyotish, I thought oh,
> good, I'm understanding
> Saturn, and maybe He will become a benefic for me...
>
> But, when I entered my Saturn Mahadasa period in
> 1991... I began to
> experience a series of losses, on a scale,
> previously not even glimpsed at!
>
>
> After about a year, I lost all the money that I had
> saved, to start a brand
> new Marriage.
>
> My new wife got a kidney stone ...and needed an
> operation which was another
> 5,000 dollars...
>
> Our car blew up,... ie...lord of my 4th!....
>
> and We got pregnant, my wife, that is! hehe,
> but....after 4 months, the baby
> stopped functioning... and so we lost the baby....
>
> 5th House is 12th....
>
> and then my wife and I separated... went through a
> bankruptcy...
> and then, finally divorced over the next few
> years....
>
> and oh, yes...my dad passed away....
>
> all in my first 6 years of Saturn....
>
> Well, as you can imagine, I was freaking out...but I
> knew one thing...
>
> I knew Saturn was responsible....so I said to Him:
> 'Saturn I know it is
> you! But, I thought I was in-tune with you?"
>
> And I heard a laughter like I've never heard in my
> whole life...and ! it
> went on for at least 3 minutes....
>
> And finally, when he subsided I said..."okay, well,
> mayble I'm not...so
> tell me what more should I do?"
>
> And he said...."Deep silence.....deep,....deep
> silence"
>
>
> And thus, I began my great surrender, devotion and
> love of Saturn....
>
> because the idea of spending the next 12 years
> encountering more and more
> grief! didn't sound very appealing....
>
> And I'm happy, now to report, even in only a couple
> of years....
>
> each day, studying Saturn....and watching him go
> through his different
> transits...
>
> And seeking to find myself...experiencing and
> developing more,...internal
> Silence!.....
>
> I'm happy to say.... that my life has smoothed
> out...become more joyous
> again....
>
> and yet, now, I refuse to move ahead or try to
> progress unless I feel
> Saturn's blessings.....
>
>
>
> So, each Planet is like this....
>
> Each one is really, just the right or left hand of
> God.... giving us our
> karmas... so we learn particular lessons....
>
>
> And now, I know that Saturn & Jupiter are the 2
> primary Spiritual
> planets....
>
> Jupiter gives us grace and expansion of life.....
>
> and Saturn gives us contraction, and teaches us to
> seek silence and solitude
>
> where God, resides, as well!
>
>
>
> Hope this answers your desire to start talking more,
> about the spiritual
> Natures or Realities....of Jyotish....
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> >From: "svsmanyam" <svsmanyam@...>
> >To: jyotish_remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> >Subject: [JR] Are we intrested only In Mandane
> Astrology or ...?
> >Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 12:58 PM
> >
>
> > Dear Brothers
> >
> > As a beginner i was once interested in the Mandane
> Astrology which
> > we are taking about, say about the effects of the
> planets, dasas etc.
> > After passing through a period of time i realised
> that this is very
>
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