Hi Mark,

As you said Astrology teaches us ,to be une in with
stars, as per your birth chart,I agree.

But important thing is tuning in what way,Here I have
got my own methods of rectifying one's life.See fate
is something which got to do it going to do.For a time
being lets keep our Karmas of past aside ,because of
which we are born with such a chart.

For example a person is having a Debiliated Saturn, so
he has to go through lot's of
trouble,consequences,depressions,tension etc etc in
Life.So a suggestion that comes are probably to calm
oneself down,to meditate,to have patience etc etc.

I will take that as one of a possibilities.Remedy to
come if we say is also a fate, than Free will never
exits.These are very contradict statement,but a two
faces of a same coin.Till it somes and we explore it
no one can ever know what we are destined for.

As you said in tune with your planets.If a person is
having Exalted Jupiter,But due to malefic effects he
is a killer of peoples and Jupiter is a saviour,But as
he doesn,'t know about that,he thinks he is doing very
much right thing,by killing 2 to 3 people,he is
bringing a food for 100 people in a colony.So What
remedy for that person you will suggest.Is he in tune
with planets, as nothing is depressing him, and
stopping him and believes in What ever he is doing.

Or take a example of Big industrialist got one or 2
exalted planets or might be having raj yoga,who earns
million dollars,By gathering money from thousands
people and lastly show that he is in Loss and lives
his life happily,Is this person is in tune with
stars.He is doing what he believes in and happy about
it.Is that what Astrology tells about in tune its
Stars.

>From above 2 example What I want to say is, for a
person who's fate is down now,you suggest him to
meditate ,clamness etc etc, that is correct,But what
for a people who are going to be out of tune may be in
Later life or life after death.

So what I have learned from my Guruji, as he says,What
stars got to do they do. They are not GOD or something
great.But very mcuh a part of our life,which cannot me
neglected.That doesn't mean you submit yourself to
them.Truth is we are not from this world and got to
get out from paying a debt to our Karmas.So path way
is only one,try to come closer ot that.

You are rich or poor,got debiliated or exalted
planets,really doesn't matter,If you choose this path,
you are above them and no one can harm you or make you
happy or in other words no effects of planets.

Always remember 2 things never remember any one that
has caused trouble to you and never forget who ever
has helped you in your life.Never forget truth about
GOD and DEATH.

I believe Astrology suggest us,in tune with Stars
means being more and more Spiritual in Life,rather
than being rich or poor,fearful or
commanding,successful or unsuccessful.Better for this
Life and Life after Death.





--- n p <anju_purohit2000@...> wrote:

> Dear Markji namaskar i totally agree with you this
> life is in continuos of our past life from here
> again we go forward or backward according to our
> karma good or bad but we cannot change our destiny
> however hard we try yes to some extent we can
> change our thinking even that we ifare prepared to
> listen to our antaratma for what is right and what
> is wrong genarally we ignore it we listen to our
> atma only what we want to listen.
> anju
>
> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@...> wrote:
> Dear Shripal:
>
> See below:
>
>
>
> Hi ALL,
>
> I have always seen life is splitted with a two paths
> at each and every turn of it and everyone has a
> choice
> of it's own.Now to think about it is my fate to
> choose
> a wrong one or a right one when you reach after a
> distant on that path is foolishness.
>
> What I think is there is nothing such as wrong path
> or
> right path.It is more over time determine factor.We
> are currently standing at a place with our whole
> past
> and looking towards future.Here past,just doesn't
> mean
> past of these Life,But life after Life(Karmas) and
> looking towards Life after Life in future.
>
> I slightly disagree with your words here.
>
> I believe Jyotish, especially, is all about 'right
> and wrong'.
>
> This planet is malefic and this other planet better,
> is Jyotish's way of showing us the
> and here's the main point...'the relative'
> significance of our actions.
>
> Planets which are in their Own Signs, or even
> Exalted...are the 'best', because we're the
> most in-tune with nature in the ways of this Planet.
>
> Therefore, Jyotish's value system or judgements, are
> to teach us about how in-tune we are
> with life!
>
> Wow, that's a great point, hehe.
>
> So, if this is true, then, we use this natural value
> system of Nature, to change ourselves, or our
> ways...and changeing and growing along the natural
> beneficness of every planet...
>
> will lead to our natural evolution!
>
>
>
> For example we consider for time being only this
> Life,A mother has to choose wether she wants ot be
> total devotee of a son or Husband or professional
> life
> etc etc.Every person having a time factor of 24hrs a
> day is splitted into responsibilities.His life is
> scattered or divided into all these objects.Now she
> knows what she is doing and what she is going
> through
> and I believe in Law of Nature,as you saw,so shall
> you
> get.But a same for a ascetic person it will be
> totally
> devoted to GOD and welfare of a people.So for him
> water in not the one in a sea,But the one in his
> Bowl,He has made his Life,you can say focused to a
> point.
>
> The key, whether a person is a house holder or
> ascetic, is...
> are we acting in-tune with our charts or STars...
>
> and if we are, then, that's great, and life moves
> naturally, progressively toward more and more..
>
> But, if we're not, and we're receiving so-called
> negative consequences, like restlessness, anxieties,
> or tirednesses, and sickness; then, Nature is trying
> to show us, we need to do
> something differently.
>
> All the negatives, of life, which can be associated
> with all the negative 'maleficnesses' of Jyotish,
> are there, to show us the ill of our ways...
>
> Once we decide to change, to adapt, and especially
> do something differently,...
>
> then we have a change to change and improve our
> lives!
>
>
>
> But for people like us there will always be right
> and
> Left path or wrong, till we learn from the wrong
> ones,
> we will never take a right path.And I believe in
> Karmas, that more you become focus on a prime aspect
> of our existence, more we will take a right turn in
> our life.And day will come when there will be no
> right
> or Left,But a straight road towards destination.And
> that will be our destiny,destined for.
>
> I agree.
>
> Considering whether Astrology can give us a grip
> towards our Life,I will say yes.As you find more and
> more malefics things in your chart and through your
> free will and focus of mind to control it,you can
> change a timing of your destiny.That is every born
> person's in every Life destiny is defined,so it
> cannot
> be changed,But a time to achieve can be
> changed.Rather
> than taking to many births, in lesser time we can
> have
> it.
>
> I'm very reluctant to use the word destiny or fate
> to strongly.
>
> I believe, it's really the destiny or fate of all,
> to arrive in the state of no destiny or no fate,
> or the state of perfection.
>
> Perfection or enlightenment is our destiny,
> eventually, but it's not a karmic situation.
>
> It's the natural state of being, or our own natures,
> and we're endowed with freedom, or
> some degree of 'it', so that we can freely choose to
> go left or right,...
>
> And discover, what is more right,....for us, at
> every stage...
>
> What is more 'right' is that which is closer to
> Perfection!
>
> and these will be experienced by us, as more
> happiness, more clarity of mind, more power, and
> more naturalness.
>
> Un-right choices, lead to sickness, to stress, to
> pain, and all sufferings...
>
> Once we understand that Nature has a natural value
> system of right and wrong, to help us
> discover the more evolutionary or more right, happy,
> direction,
> then, we can understand why we ever experience any
> sufferings...
>
> Nature seems to allow us one thing...
>
> To be able to do whatever we want!
>
> However, there's one rub!
>
> We are going to be held responsible for the
> consequences of those actions!
>
> This being the Nature of life, then, we are free to
> evolve, or get stressed.
>
> The choice is up to us.
>
>
>
> It is like working very hard in a office and getting
> promotion at a early age.
>
> Question will arise,whether this was our destiny,I
> will say,till you explorer yourself in these world
> of
> magic,power and illusions, you will never know whom
> you are destined for.Free will of every person is
> always there, he knows it whether to go for it or
> not.It is a fear which blocks our path towards
> unknown.
>
> This is a good example. I believe it's in our
> Stars, or charts... to have the opportunity
> to being promoted. But, it's up to us, to work
> hard, and deserve that promotion.
>
> Think of people from wealthy backgrounds who have
> all the opportunities, laid out for them,
> but still they choose, to ignore those opportunites,
> and to suffer.
>
> Whatever our situation, due to the karma of our
> charts, and lives....
> we are free, to go up, ... and improve our lives...
> or we are free, to stagnate, to feed our senses, and
> follow our mistaken malefics...
> and go down....
>
> The choice is up to us....
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
>
>
> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Durga:
> >
> > I think you're right. If we on the other hand,
> > believe somehow we're not
> > responsible for our actions, that others are,
> > including God, then we're
> > giving up our live's to others, and one of the
> > greatest problems I see in
> > life, and in Astrology, being 'blame' pops up.
> >
> > Those that blame others, keep themselves, in a
> very
> > perilous, and weakened
> > situation, vulnerable, and imprisoned, by 'others'
> > including the Universe.
> >
> > But, the truth is that our charts show us that our
> > lives, are predictable,
> > and being predictable, is rather, a good example
> of
> > 'karma' or actions &
> > predictable consequences, which was not meant to
> be
> > an example of 'fate' but
> > rather of freedom of choice, and evolution.
> >
> > Those individuals who cease their life, and own up
> > the many various details
> > of their lives, and their charts, have the best
> > chance of gaining control
> > and becoming a success in life.
> >
> > Nice talking to you.
> >
> > take care
> >
> >
> > Mark Kincaid
> >
> >
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Hi Mark,

As you said Astrology teaches us ,to be une in with
stars, as per your birth chart,I agree.

But important thing is tuning in what way,Here I have
got my own methods of rectifying one's life.See fate
is something which got to do it going to do.For a time
being lets keep our Karmas of past aside ,because of
which we are born with such a chart.

For example a person is having a Debiliated Saturn, so
he has to go through lot's of
trouble,consequences,depressions,tension etc etc in
Life.So a suggestion that comes are probably to calm
oneself down,to meditate,to have patience etc etc.

I will take that as one of a possibilities.Remedy to
come if we say is also a fate, than Free will never
exits.These are very contradict statement,but a two
faces of a same coin.Till it somes and we explore it
no one can ever know what we are destined for.

As you said in tune with your planets.If a person is
having Exalted Jupiter,But due to malefic effects he
is a killer of peoples and Jupiter is a saviour,But as
he doesn,'t know about that,he thinks he is doing very
much right thing,by killing 2 to 3 people,he is
bringing a food for 100 people in a colony.So What
remedy for that person you will suggest.Is he in tune
with planets, as nothing is depressing him, and
stopping him and believes in What ever he is doing.

Or take a example of Big industrialist got one or 2
exalted planets or might be having raj yoga,who earns
million dollars,By gathering money from thousands
people and lastly show that he is in Loss and lives
his life happily,Is this person is in tune with
stars.He is doing what he believes in and happy about
it.Is that what Astrology tells about in tune its
Stars.

>From above 2 example What I want to say is, for a
person who's fate is down now,you suggest him to
meditate ,clamness etc etc, that is correct,But what
for a people who are going to be out of tune may be in
Later life or life after death.

So what I have learned from my Guruji, as he says,What
stars got to do they do. They are not GOD or something
great.But very mcuh a part of our life,which cannot me
neglected.That doesn't mean you submit yourself to
them.Truth is we are not from this world and got to
get out from paying a debt to our Karmas.So path way
is only one,try to come closer ot that.

You are rich or poor,got debiliated or exalted
planets,really doesn't matter,If you choose this path,
you are above them and no one can harm you or make you
happy or in other words no effects of planets.

Always remember 2 things never remember any one that
has caused trouble to you and never forget who ever
has helped you in your life.Never forget truth about
GOD and DEATH.

I believe Astrology suggest us,in tune with Stars
means being more and more Spiritual in Life,rather
than being rich or poor,fearful or
commanding,successful or unsuccessful.Better for this
Life and Life after Death.





--- n p <anju_purohit2000@...> wrote:

> Dear Markji namaskar i totally agree with you this
> life is in continuos of our past life from here
> again we go forward or backward according to our
> karma good or bad but we cannot change our destiny
> however hard we try yes to some extent we can
> change our thinking even that we ifare prepared to
> listen to our antaratma for what is right and what
> is wrong genarally we ignore it we listen to our
> atma only what we want to listen.
> anju
>
> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@...> wrote:
> Dear Shripal:
>
> See below:
>
>
>
> Hi ALL,
>
> I have always seen life is splitted with a two paths
> at each and every turn of it and everyone has a
> choice
> of it's own.Now to think about it is my fate to
> choose
> a wrong one or a right one when you reach after a
> distant on that path is foolishness.
>
> What I think is there is nothing such as wrong path
> or
> right path.It is more over time determine factor.We
> are currently standing at a place with our whole
> past
> and looking towards future.Here past,just doesn't
> mean
> past of these Life,But life after Life(Karmas) and
> looking towards Life after Life in future.
>
> I slightly disagree with your words here.
>
> I believe Jyotish, especially, is all about 'right
> and wrong'.
>
> This planet is malefic and this other planet better,
> is Jyotish's way of showing us the
> and here's the main point...'the relative'
> significance of our actions.
>
> Planets which are in their Own Signs, or even
> Exalted...are the 'best', because we're the
> most in-tune with nature in the ways of this Planet.
>
> Therefore, Jyotish's value system or judgements, are
> to teach us about how in-tune we are
> with life!
>
> Wow, that's a great point, hehe.
>
> So, if this is true, then, we use this natural value
> system of Nature, to change ourselves, or our
> ways...and changeing and growing along the natural
> beneficness of every planet...
>
> will lead to our natural evolution!
>
>
>
> For example we consider for time being only this
> Life,A mother has to choose wether she wants ot be
> total devotee of a son or Husband or professional
> life
> etc etc.Every person having a time factor of 24hrs a
> day is splitted into responsibilities.His life is
> scattered or divided into all these objects.Now she
> knows what she is doing and what she is going
> through
> and I believe in Law of Nature,as you saw,so shall
> you
> get.But a same for a ascetic person it will be
> totally
> devoted to GOD and welfare of a people.So for him
> water in not the one in a sea,But the one in his
> Bowl,He has made his Life,you can say focused to a
> point.
>
> The key, whether a person is a house holder or
> ascetic, is...
> are we acting in-tune with our charts or STars...
>
> and if we are, then, that's great, and life moves
> naturally, progressively toward more and more..
>
> But, if we're not, and we're receiving so-called
> negative consequences, like restlessness, anxieties,
> or tirednesses, and sickness; then, Nature is trying
> to show us, we need to do
> something differently.
>
> All the negatives, of life, which can be associated
> with all the negative 'maleficnesses' of Jyotish,
> are there, to show us the ill of our ways...
>
> Once we decide to change, to adapt, and especially
> do something differently,...
>
> then we have a change to change and improve our
> lives!
>
>
>
> But for people like us there will always be right
> and
> Left path or wrong, till we learn from the wrong
> ones,
> we will never take a right path.And I believe in
> Karmas, that more you become focus on a prime aspect
> of our existence, more we will take a right turn in
> our life.And day will come when there will be no
> right
> or Left,But a straight road towards destination.And
> that will be our destiny,destined for.
>
> I agree.
>
> Considering whether Astrology can give us a grip
> towards our Life,I will say yes.As you find more and
> more malefics things in your chart and through your
> free will and focus of mind to control it,you can
> change a timing of your destiny.That is every born
> person's in every Life destiny is defined,so it
> cannot
> be changed,But a time to achieve can be
> changed.Rather
> than taking to many births, in lesser time we can
> have
> it.
>
> I'm very reluctant to use the word destiny or fate
> to strongly.
>
> I believe, it's really the destiny or fate of all,
> to arrive in the state of no destiny or no fate,
> or the state of perfection.
>
> Perfection or enlightenment is our destiny,
> eventually, but it's not a karmic situation.
>
> It's the natural state of being, or our own natures,
> and we're endowed with freedom, or
> some degree of 'it', so that we can freely choose to
> go left or right,...
>
> And discover, what is more right,....for us, at
> every stage...
>
> What is more 'right' is that which is closer to
> Perfection!
>
> and these will be experienced by us, as more
> happiness, more clarity of mind, more power, and
> more naturalness.
>
> Un-right choices, lead to sickness, to stress, to
> pain, and all sufferings...
>
> Once we understand that Nature has a natural value
> system of right and wrong, to help us
> discover the more evolutionary or more right, happy,
> direction,
> then, we can understand why we ever experience any
> sufferings...
>
> Nature seems to allow us one thing...
>
> To be able to do whatever we want!
>
> However, there's one rub!
>
> We are going to be held responsible for the
> consequences of those actions!
>
> This being the Nature of life, then, we are free to
> evolve, or get stressed.
>
> The choice is up to us.
>
>
>
> It is like working very hard in a office and getting
> promotion at a early age.
>
> Question will arise,whether this was our destiny,I
> will say,till you explorer yourself in these world
> of
> magic,power and illusions, you will never know whom
> you are destined for.Free will of every person is
> always there, he knows it whether to go for it or
> not.It is a fear which blocks our path towards
> unknown.
>
> This is a good example. I believe it's in our
> Stars, or charts... to have the opportunity
> to being promoted. But, it's up to us, to work
> hard, and deserve that promotion.
>
> Think of people from wealthy backgrounds who have
> all the opportunities, laid out for them,
> but still they choose, to ignore those opportunites,
> and to suffer.
>
> Whatever our situation, due to the karma of our
> charts, and lives....
> we are free, to go up, ... and improve our lives...
> or we are free, to stagnate, to feed our senses, and
> follow our mistaken malefics...
> and go down....
>
> The choice is up to us....
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
>
>
> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Durga:
> >
> > I think you're right. If we on the other hand,
> > believe somehow we're not
> > responsible for our actions, that others are,
> > including God, then we're
> > giving up our live's to others, and one of the
> > greatest problems I see in
> > life, and in Astrology, being 'blame' pops up.
> >
> > Those that blame others, keep themselves, in a
> very
> > perilous, and weakened
> > situation, vulnerable, and imprisoned, by 'others'
> > including the Universe.
> >
> > But, the truth is that our charts show us that our
> > lives, are predictable,
> > and being predictable, is rather, a good example
> of
> > 'karma' or actions &
> > predictable consequences, which was not meant to
> be
> > an example of 'fate' but
> > rather of freedom of choice, and evolution.
> >
> > Those individuals who cease their life, and own up
> > the many various details
> > of their lives, and their charts, have the best
> > chance of gaining control
> > and becoming a success in life.
> >
> > Nice talking to you.
> >
> > take care
> >
> >
> > Mark Kincaid
> >
> >
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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Shripal, Namaskar
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Everyone has an astrological biography,
and when they write things which may be contradicting with the popular philosophy
of Jyotish, it is necessary to provide others with a good background as to why
they are saying the things they do.
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">So please do respect to your Guru and
yourself by providing us with the following information:
color:navy">a) Name and
Parampara of your Guru.
color:navy">b) When you
started learning Jyotish.
color:navy">c) Why you
started learning Jyotish.
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">The above three points were compulsory in
the tradition of writing, when one gave out a compilation. Infact the
requirement in those days was to also name ones parents, wife and children, as
well as the gotra and kula. But i’m sure all would suffice with reading
the above three points from you.
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">If you would like to see my information
it is posted at: http://www.srigaruda.com/about.htm
and http://srijagannath.org/education/visti.htm
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from you,
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From: Shripal
[mailto:d_shripal (AT) yahoo (DOT) com]
Sent: 15 March 2005 07:15
To:
AyurvedJyotishYoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: [Om Krishna
Guru] Re:2-Mark, & All, re.... Astrology freedom &
determinism,...>Mark Kincaid 3/14
12.0pt">
10.0pt">Hi Mark,
As you said Astrology teaches us ,to be une in
with
stars, as per your birth chart,I agree.
But important thing is tuning in what way,Here I
have
got my own methods of rectifying one's life.See
fate
is something which got to do it going to do.For a
time
being lets keep our Karmas of past aside ,because
of
which we are born with such a chart.
For example a person is having a Debiliated
Saturn, so
he has to go through lot's of
trouble,consequences,depressions,tension etc etc
in
Life.So a suggestion that comes are probably to
calm
oneself down,to meditate,to have patience etc etc.
I will take that as one of a possibilities.Remedy
to
come if we say is also a fate, than Free will
never
exits.These are very contradict statement,but a
two
faces of a same coin.Till it somes and we explore
it
no one can ever know what we are destined for.
As you said in tune with your planets.If a person
is
having Exalted Jupiter,But due to malefic effects
he
is a killer of peoples and Jupiter is a
saviour,But as
he doesn,'t know about that,he thinks he is doing
very
much right thing,by killing 2 to 3 people,he is
bringing a food for 100 people in a colony.So What
remedy for that person you will suggest.Is he in
tune
with planets, as nothing is depressing him, and
stopping him and believes in What ever he is
doing.
Or take a example of Big industrialist got one or
2
exalted planets or might be having raj yoga,who
earns
million dollars,By gathering money from thousands
people and lastly show that he is in Loss and
lives
his life happily,Is this person is in tune with
stars.He is doing what he believes in and happy
about
it.Is that what Astrology tells about in tune its
Stars.
>From above 2 example What I want to say is,
for a
person who's fate is down now,you suggest him to
meditate ,clamness etc etc, that is correct,But
what
for a people who are going to be out of tune may
be in
Later life or life after death.
So what I have learned from my Guruji, as he
says,What
stars got to do they do. They are not GOD or
something
great.But very mcuh a part of our life,which
cannot me
neglected.That doesn't mean you submit yourself to
them.Truth is we are not from this world and got
to
get out from paying a debt to our Karmas.So path
way
is only one,try to come closer ot that.
You are rich or poor,got debiliated or exalted
planets,really doesn't matter,If you choose this
path,
you are above them and no one can harm you or make
you
happy or in other words no effects of planets.
Always remember 2 things never remember any one
that
has caused trouble to you and never forget who
ever
has helped you in your life.Never forget truth
about
GOD and DEATH.
I believe Astrology suggest us,in tune with Stars
means being more and more Spiritual in Life,rather
than being rich or poor,fearful or
commanding,successful or unsuccessful.Better for
this
Life and Life after Death.
--- n p <anju_purohit2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> Dear Markji namaskar i totally agree with you
this
> life is in continuos of our past life from
here
> again we go forward or backward according to
our
> karma good or bad but we cannot change
our destiny
> however hard we try yes to some
extent we can
> change our thinking even that we ifare
prepared to
> listen to our antaratma for what is right and
what
> is wrong genarally we ignore it we
listen to our
> atma only what we want to listen.
> anju
>
> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com>
wrote:
> Dear Shripal:
>
> See below:
>
>
>
> Hi ALL,
>
> I have always seen life is splitted with a
two paths
> at each and every turn of it and everyone has
a
> choice
> of it's own.Now to think about it is my fate
to
> choose
> a wrong one or a right one when you reach
after a
> distant on that path is foolishness.
>
> What I think is there is nothing such as
wrong path
> or
> right path.It is more over time determine
factor.We
> are currently standing at a place with our
whole
> past
> and looking towards future.Here past,just
doesn't
> mean
> past of these Life,But life after
Life(Karmas) and
> looking towards Life after Life in future.
>
> I slightly disagree with your words here.
>
> I believe Jyotish, especially, is all about
'right
> and wrong'.
>
> This planet is malefic and this other planet
better,
> is Jyotish's way of showing us the
> and here's the main point...'the relative'
> significance of our actions.
>
> Planets which are in their Own Signs, or even
> Exalted...are the 'best', because we're the
> most in-tune with nature in the ways of this
Planet.
>
> Therefore, Jyotish's value system or
judgements, are
> to teach us about how in-tune we are
> with life!
>
> Wow, that's a great point, hehe.
>
> So, if this is true, then, we use this
natural value
> system of Nature, to change ourselves, or our
> ways...and changeing and growing along the
natural
> beneficness of every planet...
>
> will lead to our natural evolution!
>
>
>
> For example we consider for time being
only this
> Life,A mother has to choose wether she wants
ot be
> total devotee of a son or Husband or
professional
> life
> etc etc.Every person having a time factor of
24hrs a
> day is splitted into responsibilities.His
life is
> scattered or divided into all these
objects.Now she
> knows what she is doing and what she is going
> through
> and I believe in Law of Nature,as you saw,so
shall
> you
> get.But a same for a ascetic person it will
be
> totally
> devoted to GOD and welfare of a people.So for
him
> water in not the one in a sea,But the one in
his
> Bowl,He has made his Life,you can say focused
to a
> point.
>
> The key, whether a person is a house holder
or
> ascetic, is...
> are we acting in-tune with our charts or
STars...
>
> and if we are, then, that's great, and life
moves
> naturally, progressively toward more and
more..
>
> But, if we're not, and we're receiving
so-called
> negative consequences, like restlessness,
anxieties,
> or tirednesses, and sickness; then, Nature is
trying
> to show us, we need to do
> something differently.
>
> All the negatives, of life, which can be
associated
> with all the negative 'maleficnesses' of
Jyotish,
> are there, to show us the ill of our ways...
>
> Once we decide to change, to adapt, and
especially
> do something differently,...
>
> then we have a change to change and improve
our
> lives!
>
>
>
> But for people like us there will always be
right
> and
> Left path or wrong, till we learn from the
wrong
> ones,
> we will never take a right path.And I believe
in
> Karmas, that more you become focus on a prime
aspect
> of our existence, more we will take a right
turn in
> our life.And day will come when there will be
no
> right
> or Left,But a straight road towards
destination.And
> that will be our destiny,destined for.
>
> I agree.
>
> Considering whether Astrology can give us a
grip
> towards our Life,I will say yes.As you find
more and
> more malefics things in your chart and
through your
> free will and focus of mind to control it,you
can
> change a timing of your destiny.That is every
born
> person's in every Life destiny is defined,so
it
> cannot
> be changed,But a time to achieve can be
> changed.Rather
> than taking to many births, in lesser time we
can
> have
> it.
>
> I'm very reluctant to use the word destiny or
fate
> to strongly.
>
> I believe, it's really the destiny or fate of
all,
> to arrive in the state of no destiny or no
fate,
> or the state of perfection.
>
> Perfection or enlightenment is our destiny,
> eventually, but it's not a karmic situation.
>
> It's the natural state of being, or our own
natures,
> and we're endowed with freedom, or
> some degree of 'it', so that we can freely
choose to
> go left or right,...
>
> And discover, what is more right,....for us,
at
> every stage...
>
> What is more 'right' is that which is closer
to
> Perfection!
>
> and these will be experienced by us, as more
> happiness, more clarity of mind, more power,
and
> more naturalness.
>
> Un-right choices, lead to sickness, to
stress, to
> pain, and all sufferings...
>
> Once we understand that Nature has a natural
value
> system of right and wrong, to help us
> discover the more evolutionary or more right,
happy,
> direction,
> then, we can understand why we ever
experience any
> sufferings...
>
> Nature seems to allow us one thing...
>
> To be able to do whatever we want!
>
> However, there's one rub!
>
> We are going to be held responsible for the
> consequences of those actions!
>
> This being the Nature of life, then, we are
free to
> evolve, or get stressed.
>
> The choice is up to us.
>
>
>
> It is like working very hard in a office and
getting
> promotion at a early age.
>
> Question will arise,whether this was our
destiny,I
> will say,till you explorer yourself in these
world
> of
> magic,power and illusions, you will never
know whom
> you are destined for.Free will of every
person is
> always there, he knows it whether to go for
it or
> not.It is a fear which blocks our path
towards
> unknown.
>
> This is a good example. I believe it's
in our
> Stars, or charts... to have the opportunity
> to being promoted. But, it's up to us,
to work
> hard, and deserve that promotion.
>
> Think of people from wealthy backgrounds who
have
> all the opportunities, laid out for them,
> but still they choose, to ignore those
opportunites,
> and to suffer.
>
> Whatever our situation, due to the karma of
our
> charts, and lives....
> we are free, to go up, ... and improve our
lives...
> or we are free, to stagnate, to feed our
senses, and
> follow our mistaken malefics...
> and go down....
>
> The choice is up to us....
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Mark Kincaid
>
>
>
>
> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com>
wrote:
>
> > Dear Durga:
> >
> > I think you're right. If we on the
other hand,
> > believe somehow we're not
> > responsible for our actions, that others
are,
> > including God, then we're
> > giving up our live's to others, and one
of the
> > greatest problems I see in
> > life, and in Astrology, being 'blame'
pops up.
> >
> > Those that blame others, keep themselves,
in a
> very
> > perilous, and weakened
> > situation, vulnerable, and imprisoned,
by 'others'
> > including the Universe.
> >
> > But, the truth is that our charts show
us that our
> > lives, are predictable,
> > and being predictable, is rather, a good
example
> of
> > 'karma' or actions &
> > predictable consequences, which was not
meant to
> be
> > an example of 'fate' but
> > rather of freedom of choice, and
evolution.
> >
> > Those individuals who cease their life,
and own up
> > the many various details
> > of their lives, and their charts, have
the best
> > chance of gaining control
> > and becoming a success in life.
> >
> > Nice talking to you.
> >
> > take care
> >
> >
> > Mark Kincaid
> >
> >
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