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angel
 
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Default osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 03:21 PM

Hi all

I want to analyse a medical problem known as
"osteoporosis" astrologically.

Osteoporosis is the silent disease that makes bones
prone to fracture.In this, bones become fragile and
more likely to break. If not prevented or if left
untreated, osteoporosis can progress painlessly until
a bone breaks.

It is proved that women are four times more likely
than men to develop the disease.

astrologically, Sun is related to bones.

Can we think of something else astrologically
responsible for this disease.Apart from taking
medicines, what can be done astrologically to prevent
this disease. i do not have birth details of the
person wrt to whom i m asking this question.

If the person performs surya namaskar everyday, will
it help in some way.

pls note that person is female in this case.

thanks
angel




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Default Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 03:38 PM

It has been my experience that 'saturn' rules the 'bones'. Of course, a
strongly placed sun determines the vitality of the individual,...but saturn has
alot to do with osteoporosis from the many charts that I have analysed
medically.

georgette

angel <angelgoel@...> wrote:
Hi all

I want to analyse a medical problem known as
"osteoporosis" astrologically.

Osteoporosis is the silent disease that makes bones
prone to fracture.In this, bones become fragile and
more likely to break. If not prevented or if left
untreated, osteoporosis can progress painlessly until
a bone breaks.

It is proved that women are four times more likely
than men to develop the disease.

astrologically, Sun is related to bones.

Can we think of something else astrologically
responsible for this disease.Apart from taking
medicines, what can be done astrologically to prevent
this disease. i do not have birth details of the
person wrt to whom i m asking this question.

If the person performs surya namaskar everyday, will
it help in some way.

pls note that person is female in this case.

thanks
angel




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Default Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 04:34 PM

Dear Angel, Georgette and All,

The seven bodily tissues (sapta dhatus) that form the building blocks
for all bodily structures are (from Sun to Saturn) Bones, Blood,
Marrow, Skin, Semen and Muscles.

This is established in Ayurveda and also spoken of by Parashara; CH
3. 31.

The simplest remedy by far is adequate exposure to Sun, i.e. 15-20
mins per day (at least). This simple knowledge has been passed down
from mothers for many generations (folk lore). However today, with so
many spending their days (sunlight hours), in shops, offices and
factories, the incidence of osteoporosis has risen dramatically. Even
those who stay at home are spending more and more time indoors in
front of computers, television and play stations (popular with the
young). Human kind seems to more and more separate from the natural
world and we suffer accordingly. Folk lore also speaks of the benefit
gained from taking a leisurely stroll under the moonlight.

Best Wishes,
Mrs. Wendy
http://JyotishVidya.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Georgette" <georgetteyoung@...>
To: <jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [jyotish-vidya] osteoporosis and astrology - medical
astrology


It has been my experience that 'saturn' rules the 'bones'. Of
course, a strongly placed sun determines the vitality of the
individual,...but saturn has alot to do with osteoporosis from the
many charts that I have analysed medically.

georgette

angel <angelgoel@...> wrote:
Hi all

I want to analyse a medical problem known as
"osteoporosis" astrologically.

Osteoporosis is the silent disease that makes bones
prone to fracture.In this, bones become fragile and
more likely to break. If not prevented or if left
untreated, osteoporosis can progress painlessly until
a bone breaks.

It is proved that women are four times more likely
than men to develop the disease.

astrologically, Sun is related to bones.

Can we think of something else astrologically
responsible for this disease.Apart from taking
medicines, what can be done astrologically to prevent
this disease. i do not have birth details of the
person wrt to whom i m asking this question.

If the person performs surya namaskar everyday, will
it help in some way.

pls note that person is female in this case.

thanks
angel
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angel
 
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Default Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 04:46 PM

dear wendy ji,Georgette ji and all others

thanks for your input on this matter.

thanks
angel

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@...> wrote:

> Dear Angel, Georgette and All,
>
> The seven bodily tissues (sapta dhatus) that form
> the building blocks
> for all bodily structures are (from Sun to Saturn)
> Bones, Blood,
> Marrow, Skin, Semen and Muscles.
>
> This is established in Ayurveda and also spoken of
> by Parashara; CH
> 3. 31.
>
> The simplest remedy by far is adequate exposure to
> Sun, i.e. 15-20
> mins per day (at least). This simple knowledge has
> been passed down
> from mothers for many generations (folk lore).
> However today, with so
> many spending their days (sunlight hours), in shops,
> offices and
> factories, the incidence of osteoporosis has risen
> dramatically. Even
> those who stay at home are spending more and more
> time indoors in
> front of computers, television and play stations
> (popular with the
> young). Human kind seems to more and more separate
> from the natural
> world and we suffer accordingly. Folk lore also
> speaks of the benefit
> gained from taking a leisurely stroll under the
> moonlight.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Mrs. Wendy
> http://JyotishVidya.com
> ______________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Georgette" <georgetteyoung@...>
> To: <jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [jyotish-vidya] osteoporosis and
> astrology - medical
> astrology
>
>
> It has been my experience that 'saturn' rules the
> 'bones'. Of
> course, a strongly placed sun determines the
> vitality of the
> individual,...but saturn has alot to do with
> osteoporosis from the
> many charts that I have analysed medically.
>
> georgette
>
> angel <angelgoel@...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I want to analyse a medical problem known as
> "osteoporosis" astrologically.
>
> Osteoporosis is the silent disease that makes bones
> prone to fracture.In this, bones become fragile and
> more likely to break. If not prevented or if left
> untreated, osteoporosis can progress painlessly
> until
> a bone breaks.
>
> It is proved that women are four times more likely
> than men to develop the disease.
>
> astrologically, Sun is related to bones.
>
> Can we think of something else astrologically
> responsible for this disease.Apart from taking
> medicines, what can be done astrologically to
> prevent
> this disease. i do not have birth details of the
> person wrt to whom i m asking this question.
>
> If the person performs surya namaskar everyday, will
> it help in some way.
>
> pls note that person is female in this case.
>
> thanks
> angel
>
>
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Default Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 07:38 PM

To All,

If I may add my 2 cents from experience.

I am female.
I have Saturn in the first house Virgo.
I have Sun in the eleventh house Cancer.
I have Rahu in the sixth house Aquarius
I have Lagnesh Lord Mercury in the twelfth house Leo.

I grew up in a very Sun oriented household. In other words, not one
of my siblings or I were allowed to sleep in on days off from school
or stay put in front of the TV or any other indoor pursuit.

WE were all booted out of bed at a very precise time every morning
or were self-up and going and doing and being everyday. Outside
actions in the Sun were a must and way of life. Healthy too to burn
off a lot of excess children's energy in a healthy matter rather
than fighting like cats and dogs inside or driving my mother up a
wall. There were six of us in 7 1/2 yrs.

I spent walking the golf course in Junior Golf league and then adult
league from the time I was 10 through 32 years old. I loved the Sun
and the warm days and walking the green fairways in a wooded
surrounding. To me it was a peaceful retreat from the world and
self-invigorating to my physical body as well as spiritually,
whether I was on the course alone practicing or in competition. I
even loved the practicing putting green and then the pleasure of
showering in the clubhouse and relaxing on the veranda.

Therefore, I cannot from my perspective blame the Sun's placement or
the Saturn in lst or even Rahu in sixth as the culprit. I have seen
these kinds of placements in other charts to know that not one of
them have bone problems.

HOWEVER, having Saturn conj Asc with Lagnesh Mercury in twelfth Leo
ruled by Sun - now there is a plausibility. And, a reality to my
own experience.

Since I was a young child, I complained of bone and back pain. It
was thought at the time to be just growing pains. When I was eleven
yrs old, I was in ballet (which I just adored) and it was my ballet
teacher who eventually phoned my mother and asked her to take me to
the orthopedic doctor because I could not stand up straight in his
class. Nor could I keep my balance like other dancers.

It was found that I had what they presumed at the time in 1962 to be
an idiopathic scoliosis of the lumbar and thoracic spine. Even
though the S curve was at more than a 20 degree curve with a twisted
sideways construction along with a congenital fused 5th lumbar
intravertabrae - a spinal brace and surgery was not recommended to
stop the curvature or support the spine, because the orthopedic
doctor felt from the spine x-rays that I only had one more inch of
growth to achieve. It was determined though, that the congenital
intravertebrae fusion was the cause of me not walking until I was
almost 16 months old.

I loved dancing (all kinds) too, but had to give it up in Junior
year of H.S. because my bones could not take the stress of
practicing or performing any longer.

Through the years, I suffered greatly and having children only
complicated the curvature. In fact, for other reasons, there was a
almost nine year difference in my children's ages and in the
interval I was advised by a top spinal surgeon not to have any more
children. Well guess what. I got pregnant.

By the time my youngest child turned 5yrs old, I was 39yrs old. By
then it was determined that I had Adult scoliosis with congenital
arthritic changes probably due to an autoimmune disease. I had
major Spinal surgery for a continual curvature to my spine. The
idea was to stop the curve and support the spine. By now, the curve
in the thoracic spine was affecting my heart and lungs. I was
measuring more than 50 degrees at the lower lumbar region, 30 plus
degrees at the thoracic level and 17 degrees up into my skull. It
was a single posterior surgical procedure of 16 hours. I was fused
with instrumentation from my lower wingspan down to L4, which is the
lower part of the spine just before the L5 where most if not all of
the flexibility in ones movement stems from. During surgery, my
spine proved to be in worse shape than even the latest technology of
Spine CT's and MRI's could show.

To continue this saga a little longer to get my point across - I was
in a three-year recovery plan. The first 15 months I was incased in
a plastic fiberglass torso body cast. At 30 months, I had to have
surgery again because not only did the instrument (rods) fail and
break at the L3/4, but it was found in surgery that one of the main
pedicle screws where the rods broke was imbedded in the spine where
it could not be removed - along with finding I had fractured
bilaterally at the thoracic level, behind the rods, two vertebrae
because of thinning and porous bones.

This time, all the rods came out and then I was refused where the
fractures were, then re-rodded for support from my upper wingspan
down to L4. I not only wore a torso plastic fiber cast for 17
months but also for 8 months wore an additional electric stimulation
vest over my cast to stimulate bone healing.

21/2 yrs later, I was back in surgery for a lamenectomy and
disectomy at L5/S1, which is located in the lower lumbar area for
flexibility and entering into the sacral area. It was right
underneath my rods and previous fusions. Within 4 weeks, I was back
in the hospital on emergency with Bacterial Spinal meningitis from
the spinal surgery, which had punctured the inner spinal column
where spinal fluid was leaking and causing the meningitis.

Now, in the meantime, the rest of my body was bone wise
deteriorating. I had bone surgeries twice on my foot, tailbone and
additional teeth surgery ( Wisdom - imbedded and impacted) along
with a lot of arthritic changes in my knees, wrists, ankles and
neck. By the time 1997 came around through 1999 after spending more
hours than I care to try and add up in the dental chair since I was
20 years old, I had nine dental implants surgically placed with a
bite change to lessen the TMJ and arthritic degeneration in my jaw
joints, along with having every single one of my teeth root canalled
(those that had not been done before) along with reshaping and
capping every single tooth in my mouth. In 1999 CT scans showed
severe osteoarthritis throughout my whole body. Today, I have severe
osteoporosis in my upper thoracic area (Above the rods and fusion)
into my neck and upper arms due to continual bone thinning. I also
have pain in my shinbones and forearms due to thinning and porous
bones.

There is not much one can due when osteoporosis takes it hold or
osteoarthritis either. There are calcium and other minerals to help
keep the bones as healthy as possible, but there is nothing that
prevents the disintegration once it starts. Surgery helps support
fractures but there are a slew of downs sides to spinal bone surgery
with instrumentation. Nothing is perfect or last forever. Bone
surgeries of the spine are temporary fixes at best where multiple
revision surgeries are often needed with their many complications,
long recoveries and severe pain..

I have needed two Revision surgeries since 2000. I have turned the
complicated procedures down as of date. The reason. The rest of my
health would not support these two surgeries or its 3/4 year
recovery - that is if the surgeries did not fail (which is a high
risk) where Degenerative Disk Disease is prevalent and surgery is
required to fused down to the tail bone for stenosis and arthritic
changes.

I have included my birth data below for those who would want to
compare this chart for its chronic health problems and bone disease
that has been with me since I was born.

I would say that some things are fated. But, it is how we manage the
fatedness that can be altered to give some relief and comfort – no
matter how small or minor. However, chronic illnesses and bone
diseases with their chronic pain are one kind of suffering reflected
in the body where there are other kinds of suffering that I cannot
even imagine experiencing.

Ruler Sun of the Twelfth Leo with Lagnesh Mercury placed there,
along with Saturn conj Asc in Virgo sure is a negative culprit if
not the cause of decline on the body of a person. I would include
the skeleton structure of the body, being bones.

Of course, as usual, I stand corrected if I am incorrect and would
appreciate being enlightened otherwise. If nothing else, It makes
for good chart study – of course in its own due time and schedule
for group study!

As Always,

Uttara :-)

7/28/1951
10:14am (CDT)
Chicago, Illinois USA

Virgo Asc: 3*
Saturn in lagna 5*
Lagnesh ruler in twelfth house Leo/Sun

--- In jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Angel, Georgette and All,
>
> The seven bodily tissues (sapta dhatus) that form the building

blocks
> for all bodily structures are (from Sun to Saturn) Bones, Blood,
> Marrow, Skin, Semen and Muscles.
>
> This is established in Ayurveda and also spoken of by Parashara;

CH
> 3. 31.
>
> The simplest remedy by far is adequate exposure to Sun, i.e. 15-20
> mins per day (at least). This simple knowledge has been passed

down
> from mothers for many generations (folk lore). However today, with

so
> many spending their days (sunlight hours), in shops, offices and
> factories, the incidence of osteoporosis has risen dramatically.

Even
> those who stay at home are spending more and more time indoors in
> front of computers, television and play stations (popular with the
> young). Human kind seems to more and more separate from the

natural
> world and we suffer accordingly. Folk lore also speaks of the

benefit
> gained from taking a leisurely stroll under the moonlight.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Mrs. Wendy
> http://JyotishVidya.com
> ______________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Georgette" <georgetteyoung@...>
> To: <jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [jyotish-vidya] osteoporosis and astrology - medical
> astrology
>
>
> It has been my experience that 'saturn' rules the 'bones'. Of
> course, a strongly placed sun determines the vitality of the
> individual,...but saturn has alot to do with osteoporosis from the
> many charts that I have analysed medically.
>
> georgette
>
> angel <angelgoel@...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I want to analyse a medical problem known as
> "osteoporosis" astrologically.
>
> Osteoporosis is the silent disease that makes bones
> prone to fracture.In this, bones become fragile and
> more likely to break. If not prevented or if left
> untreated, osteoporosis can progress painlessly until
> a bone breaks.
>
> It is proved that women are four times more likely
> than men to develop the disease.
>
> astrologically, Sun is related to bones.
>
> Can we think of something else astrologically
> responsible for this disease.Apart from taking
> medicines, what can be done astrologically to prevent
> this disease. i do not have birth details of the
> person wrt to whom i m asking this question.
>
> If the person performs surya namaskar everyday, will
> it help in some way.
>
> pls note that person is female in this case.
>
> thanks
> angel
>
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Wendy Vasicek
 
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Default Re: Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 08:57 PM

Dear Uttara,

//Therefore, I cannot from my perspective blame the Sun's placement
or
the Saturn in lst or even Rahu in sixth as the culprit. I have seen
these kinds of placements in other charts to know that not one of
them have bone problems.
HOWEVER, having Saturn conj Asc with Lagnesh Mercury in twelfth Leo
ruled by Sun - now there is a plausibility. And, a reality to my
own experience.//

Your (particular) health problems are not difficult to understand
with 6th lord Saturn in lagna occupying nakshatra of Sun whilst Sun,
dispositor of lagna lord, occupies nakshatra of Saturn etc..

Best Wishes,
Mrs. Wendy
http://JyotishVidya.com
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To: <jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: [jyotish-vidya] Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical
astrology


To All,

If I may add my 2 cents from experience.

I am female.
I have Saturn in the first house Virgo.
I have Sun in the eleventh house Cancer.
I have Rahu in the sixth house Aquarius
I have Lagnesh Lord Mercury in the twelfth house Leo.

I grew up in a very Sun oriented household. In other words, not one
of my siblings or I were allowed to sleep in on days off from school
or stay put in front of the TV or any other indoor pursuit.

WE were all booted out of bed at a very precise time every morning
or were self-up and going and doing and being everyday. Outside
actions in the Sun were a must and way of life. Healthy too to burn
off a lot of excess children's energy in a healthy matter rather
than fighting like cats and dogs inside or driving my mother up a
wall. There were six of us in 7 1/2 yrs.

I spent walking the golf course in Junior Golf league and then adult
league from the time I was 10 through 32 years old. I loved the Sun
and the warm days and walking the green fairways in a wooded
surrounding. To me it was a peaceful retreat from the world and
self-invigorating to my physical body as well as spiritually,
whether I was on the course alone practicing or in competition. I
even loved the practicing putting green and then the pleasure of
showering in the clubhouse and relaxing on the veranda.

Therefore, I cannot from my perspective blame the Sun's placement or
the Saturn in lst or even Rahu in sixth as the culprit. I have seen
these kinds of placements in other charts to know that not one of
them have bone problems.

HOWEVER, having Saturn conj Asc with Lagnesh Mercury in twelfth Leo
ruled by Sun - now there is a plausibility. And, a reality to my
own experience.

Since I was a young child, I complained of bone and back pain. It
was thought at the time to be just growing pains. When I was eleven
yrs old, I was in ballet (which I just adored) and it was my ballet
teacher who eventually phoned my mother and asked her to take me to
the orthopedic doctor because I could not stand up straight in his
class. Nor could I keep my balance like other dancers.

It was found that I had what they presumed at the time in 1962 to be
an idiopathic scoliosis of the lumbar and thoracic spine. Even
though the S curve was at more than a 20 degree curve with a twisted
sideways construction along with a congenital fused 5th lumbar
intravertabrae - a spinal brace and surgery was not recommended to
stop the curvature or support the spine, because the orthopedic
doctor felt from the spine x-rays that I only had one more inch of
growth to achieve. It was determined though, that the congenital
intravertebrae fusion was the cause of me not walking until I was
almost 16 months old.

I loved dancing (all kinds) too, but had to give it up in Junior
year of H.S. because my bones could not take the stress of
practicing or performing any longer.

Through the years, I suffered greatly and having children only
complicated the curvature. In fact, for other reasons, there was a
almost nine year difference in my children's ages and in the
interval I was advised by a top spinal surgeon not to have any more
children. Well guess what. I got pregnant.

By the time my youngest child turned 5yrs old, I was 39yrs old. By
then it was determined that I had Adult scoliosis with congenital
arthritic changes probably due to an autoimmune disease. I had
major Spinal surgery for a continual curvature to my spine. The
idea was to stop the curve and support the spine. By now, the curve
in the thoracic spine was affecting my heart and lungs. I was
measuring more than 50 degrees at the lower lumbar region, 30 plus
degrees at the thoracic level and 17 degrees up into my skull. It
was a single posterior surgical procedure of 16 hours. I was fused
with instrumentation from my lower wingspan down to L4, which is the
lower part of the spine just before the L5 where most if not all of
the flexibility in ones movement stems from. During surgery, my
spine proved to be in worse shape than even the latest technology of
Spine CT's and MRI's could show.

To continue this saga a little longer to get my point across - I was
in a three-year recovery plan. The first 15 months I was incased in
a plastic fiberglass torso body cast. At 30 months, I had to have
surgery again because not only did the instrument (rods) fail and
break at the L3/4, but it was found in surgery that one of the main
pedicle screws where the rods broke was imbedded in the spine where
it could not be removed - along with finding I had fractured
bilaterally at the thoracic level, behind the rods, two vertebrae
because of thinning and porous bones.

This time, all the rods came out and then I was refused where the
fractures were, then re-rodded for support from my upper wingspan
down to L4. I not only wore a torso plastic fiber cast for 17
months but also for 8 months wore an additional electric stimulation
vest over my cast to stimulate bone healing.

21/2 yrs later, I was back in surgery for a lamenectomy and
disectomy at L5/S1, which is located in the lower lumbar area for
flexibility and entering into the sacral area. It was right
underneath my rods and previous fusions. Within 4 weeks, I was back
in the hospital on emergency with Bacterial Spinal meningitis from
the spinal surgery, which had punctured the inner spinal column
where spinal fluid was leaking and causing the meningitis.

Now, in the meantime, the rest of my body was bone wise
deteriorating. I had bone surgeries twice on my foot, tailbone and
additional teeth surgery ( Wisdom - imbedded and impacted) along
with a lot of arthritic changes in my knees, wrists, ankles and
neck. By the time 1997 came around through 1999 after spending more
hours than I care to try and add up in the dental chair since I was
20 years old, I had nine dental implants surgically placed with a
bite change to lessen the TMJ and arthritic degeneration in my jaw
joints, along with having every single one of my teeth root canalled
(those that had not been done before) along with reshaping and
capping every single tooth in my mouth. In 1999 CT scans showed
severe osteoarthritis throughout my whole body. Today, I have severe
osteoporosis in my upper thoracic area (Above the rods and fusion)
into my neck and upper arms due to continual bone thinning. I also
have pain in my shinbones and forearms due to thinning and porous
bones.

There is not much one can due when osteoporosis takes it hold or
osteoarthritis either. There are calcium and other minerals to help
keep the bones as healthy as possible, but there is nothing that
prevents the disintegration once it starts. Surgery helps support
fractures but there are a slew of downs sides to spinal bone surgery
with instrumentation. Nothing is perfect or last forever. Bone
surgeries of the spine are temporary fixes at best where multiple
revision surgeries are often needed with their many complications,
long recoveries and severe pain..

I have needed two Revision surgeries since 2000. I have turned the
complicated procedures down as of date. The reason. The rest of my
health would not support these two surgeries or its 3/4 year
recovery - that is if the surgeries did not fail (which is a high
risk) where Degenerative Disk Disease is prevalent and surgery is
required to fused down to the tail bone for stenosis and arthritic
changes.

I have included my birth data below for those who would want to
compare this chart for its chronic health problems and bone disease
that has been with me since I was born.

I would say that some things are fated. But, it is how we manage the
fatedness that can be altered to give some relief and comfort - no
matter how small or minor. However, chronic illnesses and bone
diseases with their chronic pain are one kind of suffering reflected
in the body where there are other kinds of suffering that I cannot
even imagine experiencing.

Ruler Sun of the Twelfth Leo with Lagnesh Mercury placed there,
along with Saturn conj Asc in Virgo sure is a negative culprit if
not the cause of decline on the body of a person. I would include
the skeleton structure of the body, being bones.

Of course, as usual, I stand corrected if I am incorrect and would
appreciate being enlightened otherwise. If nothing else, It makes
for good chart study - of course in its own due time and schedule
for group study!

As Always,

Uttara :-)

7/28/1951
10:14am (CDT)
Chicago, Illinois USA

Virgo Asc: 3*
Saturn in lagna 5*
Lagnesh ruler in twelfth house Leo/Sun
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Default Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical astrology - 02-13-2006, 11:54 PM

Gad Wendy, your good and as always prove to be a learned jyotish.
I forgot the nakshatras as you so correctly and wisely pointed out
in a few short sentences. Of course, I opened my Nakshatra book to
its beginning where I have everything marked for quick access and
there it was - if the book were alive it would have bitten me :-)

Amazing!! I need to create multiple copies of a check list to have
near by, always. Missing details in a chart can really make huge
errors. Close but not close enough to be dead on center shows
sloppy work or incompetence.

Thanks for your input. I'm still shaking my head that I forgot.

That's why Jyotish-Vidya is so good!!

Uttara :-)

p.s. I am awake but need to be away from my desk til later.

Thanks too Wendy, for being patient and reading through the long
explanation/story. Along with your assessment, I hope it helps
others in some way to better understand the causes of health
issues.

Happy Valentines Day, everyone!!!

--- In jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Uttara,
>
> //Therefore, I cannot from my perspective blame the Sun's

placement
> or
> the Saturn in lst or even Rahu in sixth as the culprit. I have

seen
> these kinds of placements in other charts to know that not one of
> them have bone problems.
> HOWEVER, having Saturn conj Asc with Lagnesh Mercury in twelfth Leo
> ruled by Sun - now there is a plausibility. And, a reality to my
> own experience.//
>
> Your (particular) health problems are not difficult to understand
> with 6th lord Saturn in lagna occupying nakshatra of Sun whilst

Sun,
> dispositor of lagna lord, occupies nakshatra of Saturn etc..
>
> Best Wishes,
> Mrs. Wendy
> http://JyotishVidya.com
> ______________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni@...>
> To: <jyotish-vidya (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:38 PM
> Subject: [jyotish-vidya] Re: osteoporosis and astrology - medical
> astrology
>
>
> To All,
>
> If I may add my 2 cents from experience.
>
> I am female.
> I have Saturn in the first house Virgo.
> I have Sun in the eleventh house Cancer.
> I have Rahu in the sixth house Aquarius
> I have Lagnesh Lord Mercury in the twelfth house Leo.
>
> I grew up in a very Sun oriented household. In other words, not

one
> of my siblings or I were allowed to sleep in on days off from

school
> or stay put in front of the TV or any other indoor pursuit.
>
> WE were all booted out of bed at a very precise time every morning
> or were self-up and going and doing and being everyday. Outside
> actions in the Sun were a must and way of life. Healthy too to

burn
> off a lot of excess children's energy in a healthy matter rather
> than fighting like cats and dogs inside or driving my mother up a
> wall. There were six of us in 7 1/2 yrs.
>
> I spent walking the golf course in Junior Golf league and then

adult
> league from the time I was 10 through 32 years old. I loved the Sun
> and the warm days and walking the green fairways in a wooded
> surrounding. To me it was a peaceful retreat from the world and
> self-invigorating to my physical body as well as spiritually,
> whether I was on the course alone practicing or in competition. I
> even loved the practicing putting green and then the pleasure of
> showering in the clubhouse and relaxing on the veranda.
>
> Therefore, I cannot from my perspective blame the Sun's placement

or
> the Saturn in lst or even Rahu in sixth as the culprit. I have

seen
> these kinds of placements in other charts to know that not one of
> them have bone problems.
>
> HOWEVER, having Saturn conj Asc with Lagnesh Mercury in twelfth Leo
> ruled by Sun - now there is a plausibility. And, a reality to my
> own experience.
>
> Since I was a young child, I complained of bone and back pain. It
> was thought at the time to be just growing pains. When I was

eleven
> yrs old, I was in ballet (which I just adored) and it was my ballet
> teacher who eventually phoned my mother and asked her to take me to
> the orthopedic doctor because I could not stand up straight in his
> class. Nor could I keep my balance like other dancers.
>
> It was found that I had what they presumed at the time in 1962 to

be
> an idiopathic scoliosis of the lumbar and thoracic spine. Even
> though the S curve was at more than a 20 degree curve with a

twisted
> sideways construction along with a congenital fused 5th lumbar
> intravertabrae - a spinal brace and surgery was not recommended

to
> stop the curvature or support the spine, because the orthopedic
> doctor felt from the spine x-rays that I only had one more inch of
> growth to achieve. It was determined though, that the congenital
> intravertebrae fusion was the cause of me not walking until I was
> almost 16 months old.
>
> I loved dancing (all kinds) too, but had to give it up in Junior
> year of H.S. because my bones could not take the stress of
> practicing or performing any longer.
>
> Through the years, I suffered greatly and having children only
> complicated the curvature. In fact, for other reasons, there was a
> almost nine year difference in my children's ages and in the
> interval I was advised by a top spinal surgeon not to have any more
> children. Well guess what. I got pregnant.
>
> By the time my youngest child turned 5yrs old, I was 39yrs old. By
> then it was determined that I had Adult scoliosis with congenital
> arthritic changes probably due to an autoimmune disease. I had
> major Spinal surgery for a continual curvature to my spine. The
> idea was to stop the curve and support the spine. By now, the

curve
> in the thoracic spine was affecting my heart and lungs. I was
> measuring more than 50 degrees at the lower lumbar region, 30 plus
> degrees at the thoracic level and 17 degrees up into my skull. It
> was a single posterior surgical procedure of 16 hours. I was fused
> with instrumentation from my lower wingspan down to L4, which is

the
> lower part of the spine just before the L5 where most if not all of
> the flexibility in ones movement stems from. During surgery, my
> spine proved to be in worse shape than even the latest technology

of
> Spine CT's and MRI's could show.
>
> To continue this saga a little longer to get my point across - I

was
> in a three-year recovery plan. The first 15 months I was incased

in
> a plastic fiberglass torso body cast. At 30 months, I had to have
> surgery again because not only did the instrument (rods) fail and
> break at the L3/4, but it was found in surgery that one of the main
> pedicle screws where the rods broke was imbedded in the spine where
> it could not be removed - along with finding I had fractured
> bilaterally at the thoracic level, behind the rods, two vertebrae
> because of thinning and porous bones.
>
> This time, all the rods came out and then I was refused where the
> fractures were, then re-rodded for support from my upper wingspan
> down to L4. I not only wore a torso plastic fiber cast for 17
> months but also for 8 months wore an additional electric

stimulation
> vest over my cast to stimulate bone healing.
>
> 21/2 yrs later, I was back in surgery for a lamenectomy and
> disectomy at L5/S1, which is located in the lower lumbar area for
> flexibility and entering into the sacral area. It was right
> underneath my rods and previous fusions. Within 4 weeks, I was

back
> in the hospital on emergency with Bacterial Spinal meningitis from
> the spinal surgery, which had punctured the inner spinal column
> where spinal fluid was leaking and causing the meningitis.
>
> Now, in the meantime, the rest of my body was bone wise
> deteriorating. I had bone surgeries twice on my foot, tailbone and
> additional teeth surgery ( Wisdom - imbedded and impacted) along
> with a lot of arthritic changes in my knees, wrists, ankles and
> neck. By the time 1997 came around through 1999 after spending

more
> hours than I care to try and add up in the dental chair since I was
> 20 years old, I had nine dental implants surgically placed with a
> bite change to lessen the TMJ and arthritic degeneration in my jaw
> joints, along with having every single one of my teeth root

canalled
> (those that had not been done before) along with reshaping and
> capping every single tooth in my mouth. In 1999 CT scans showed
> severe osteoarthritis throughout my whole body. Today, I have

severe
> osteoporosis in my upper thoracic area (Above the rods and fusion)
> into my neck and upper arms due to continual bone thinning. I also
> have pain in my shinbones and forearms due to thinning and porous
> bones.
>
> There is not much one can due when osteoporosis takes it hold or
> osteoarthritis either. There are calcium and other minerals to

help
> keep the bones as healthy as possible, but there is nothing that
> prevents the disintegration once it starts. Surgery helps support
> fractures but there are a slew of downs sides to spinal bone

surgery
> with instrumentation. Nothing is perfect or last forever. Bone
> surgeries of the spine are temporary fixes at best where multiple
> revision surgeries are often needed with their many complications,
> long recoveries and severe pain..
>
> I have needed two Revision surgeries since 2000. I have turned the
> complicated procedures down as of date. The reason. The rest of

my
> health would not support these two surgeries or its 3/4 year
> recovery - that is if the surgeries did not fail (which is a high
> risk) where Degenerative Disk Disease is prevalent and surgery is
> required to fused down to the tail bone for stenosis and arthritic
> changes.
>
> I have included my birth data below for those who would want to
> compare this chart for its chronic health problems and bone disease
> that has been with me since I was born.
>
> I would say that some things are fated. But, it is how we manage

the
> fatedness that can be altered to give some relief and comfort - no
> matter how small or minor. However, chronic illnesses and bone
> diseases with their chronic pain are one kind of suffering

reflected
> in the body where there are other kinds of suffering that I cannot
> even imagine experiencing.
>
> Ruler Sun of the Twelfth Leo with Lagnesh Mercury placed there,
> along with Saturn conj Asc in Virgo sure is a negative culprit if
> not the cause of decline on the body of a person. I would include
> the skeleton structure of the body, being bones.
>
> Of course, as usual, I stand corrected if I am incorrect and would
> appreciate being enlightened otherwise. If nothing else, It makes
> for good chart study - of course in its own due time and schedule
> for group study!
>
> As Always,
>
> Uttara :-)
>
> 7/28/1951
> 10:14am (CDT)
> Chicago, Illinois USA
>
> Virgo Asc: 3*
> Saturn in lagna 5*
> Lagnesh ruler in twelfth house Leo/Sun
>
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