John Lennon 25 Years Later

5:17 PM 12/8/05 Thu

Today marks the 25th anniversary of the death of John Lennon, killed
at the hands of a crazed fan, Mark David Chapman. As I type this,
all manner of retrospectives and the like are airing on radio, TV
and the internet about the life and times of one of the most famous
people ever to walk the Earth.

As always, Lennon's life and Vedic chart proves a good case study
for those of us who wish to glean Jyotish's insights:

John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26
Pis 40.

Lennon was born with Pisces on the Asc, a Sign associated with
artistry, mysticism and, when other factors are involved, drugs. It
is well known that Lennon, along with the rest of the Beatles were
quite heavily into drugs, and of course, their musical contributions
speak for themselves. Note the strong influence of Ketu on the Lagna
(Ascendant), which, as one half of the serpent-being who tried to
steal the drink of immortality, represents all forms of intoxicants.

Looking a bit closely at Lennon's chart though, speaks strongly as
to his longevity; right off the bat we can see that his lifespan
would not be long.

I say that because Jupiter, Lennon's Asc Lord, is both Rx and in
tight conjunction with Saturn in the 2nd House. Saturn is not only
debilitated in Aries, but in DEEP debilitation at that; in the 2nd
House, this combination accounts for many of Lennon's gaffes,
particularly the "We're more famous than Jesus" remark. Very often,
people with strong 2nd House challenges tend to make remarks they
shouldn't utter within public earshot.

For any chart, the Asc Lord is the most important planet; its
condition and participation in planetary yogas with other planets
will very often tell the tale as to the overall life chances of the
native. In Lennon's case, with the Asc Lord so very weakened, we
would have to say that Lenno's health would be in question.

But with his Moon in the 11th House of Groups - in this case, The
Beatles - we can see where his fame came from. The Moon forms a Gaja
Kersari Yoga, and from the Moon we see that Saturn, which is Lagnesh
from the Moon, has attained Neechabhanga status. Moreover, again
from the Moon, Mercury, which is the 9th Lord, is in the 10th and
aspects Saturn.

As a rule, a singer/artist needs a strong 3rd House, for this House
represents such areas of life; in Lennon's case, from the birth Asc,
we see that Venus rules his 3rd and is aspected by Lagnesh
Jupiter. "The arts" is an easy theme to see in this horoscope.

What is very noticeable in Lennon's chart is the very, very, very,
VERY stressed out 7th House; not only does he have Kuja Dosha but he
also has the Sun and Rahu in the 78th as well. On top of that,
Venus, which represents relationships and marriage in general, is
placed in one of the worst Houses in a Vedic chart, the 6th, AND in
one of its worst Sign placements, Leo. All of these markers suggest
at the very least, a turbulent state of affairs with regard to
marriage, if not worse. Lennon's chart stands as a vivid example of
just how Kuja Dosha works in a chart - first of all, Mars in and of
itself placed in the 7th House will not bring about the destruction
of a marriage; much depends on whether the native is a man or woman,
as well as to the inherent condition of Mars in the particular
chart. But even IF Mars is placed in a bad way in someone's chart,
the 7th House has to be severely challenged in order for all of the
textbook problems associated with Kuja Dosha to truly manifest. With
3 first rate malefics in the 7th House (the Sun, Rahu and Mars),
with Mars in the 7th House in the chart of a man and with Mars in
the Sign of an Enemy, we can see why Lennon had a disasterous
previous marriage before he met Yoko Ono - and even then, they went
through a period of seperation.

This 7th House situation also speaks very well to Lennon's dislike
of Paul McCartney; the other night, I happened to hear a previously
unreleased interview with Lennon in 1970, right after the breakup of
the Beatles. During the interview Lennon made it very clear that not
only did he work with McCartney often if at all, but that he didn't
like him much either. The 7th House represents "marriages" of all
kinds - personal/romantic/sexual, and business as well.

Note that the 7th Lord Mercury is placed in the 8th House, while
Venus, the 8th Lord, is placed in the 6th. This is a very difficult
chart for marriage and relationships, no matter how you slice it.

The entire decade of the 1960s saw tremendous success for Lennon
and the rest of the Beatles; at the time, Lennon was having Venus
Dasa. Note the YK status of Venus from the Moon, as well as the 3rd
House tie-ins from both the Asc and the Moon.

Lennon met and married Yoko Ono toward the end of his Venus Dasa in
the late 1960s; the Mercury sub period was running at the time of
his marriage to Ono. Mercury rules the 7th.

At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in
itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the
fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he
was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said
above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the
charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually
very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die
when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can
expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter
rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter
along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.

Salaam,
Mu

Thank you so much, Mu for posting your analysis of the John Lennon chart.
Very well written. I followed it step by step and gained some valuable insights.

However - i came up with Ju/Me/Su/Me on the day of his death, which still makes
a lot of sense. I have been using 365 days/Lahiri.

His Moon Maha Dasha ended when he was nine years old in my program.

Hmmmmm??? How can we be both that off? Any idea? What did you use?

Thank you again,
Blessings,
Sabine









--- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey@y...> wrote:
>
> John Lennon 25 Years Later
>
>
> >
> John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26
> Pis 40.
>
>
>
> At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in
> itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the
> fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he
> was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said
> above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the
> charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually
> very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die
> when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can
> expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter
> rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter
> along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.
>
> Salaam,
> Mu
>

Dear Sabine,

Mu takes dasha calculated by lagna, not by moon.

Regards,

Ashutosh




----- Original Message -----
From: "sabinchenus" <stetsa@...>
To: <valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, 12 December, 2005 08:27
Subject: [VA] Re: John Lennon 25 Years Later


> Thank you so much, Mu for posting your analysis of the John Lennon chart.
> Very well written. I followed it step by step and gained some valuable
insights.
>
> However - i came up with Ju/Me/Su/Me on the day of his death, which still
makes
> a lot of sense. I have been using 365 days/Lahiri.
>
> His Moon Maha Dasha ended when he was nine years old in my program.
>
> Hmmmmm??? How can we be both that off? Any idea? What did you use?
>
> Thank you again,
> Blessings,
> Sabine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey@y...> wrote:
> >
> > John Lennon 25 Years Later
> >
> >
> > >
> > John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26
> > Pis 40.
> >
> >
> >
> > At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in
> > itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the
> > fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he
> > was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said
> > above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the
> > charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually
> > very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die
> > when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can
> > expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter
> > rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter
> > along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.
> >
> > Salaam,
> > Mu
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank you, dear Ashutosh for your reply, now i am really confused (most of the
time)....

I was under the impression that i used the Lagna. I re-casted chart and used
moon
as ascendent and getting again (ofcourse?) the same dashas.

If your time permits, could you please explain in little more detail, what you
are
referring to? I might have some big stumbling block in my understanding
here...and
could learn something very important.

Thank you again.

Blessings,
Sabine




--- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh@y...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sabine,
>
> Mu takes dasha calculated by lagna, not by moon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashutosh
>
>
> >
> > --- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > John Lennon 25 Years Later
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26
> > > Pis 40.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in
> > > itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the
> > > fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he
> > > was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said
> > > above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the
> > > charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually
> > > very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die
> > > when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can
> > > expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter
> > > rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter
> > > along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.
> > >
> > > Salaam,
> > > Mu
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to: valist-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> > For software visit: http://www.goravani.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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Dear Sabine,

You do not have to take the moon as an ascendent to
calculate dashas by lagna.

The dashas system which is most popular in vedic astrology is
vimshottari dasha where the dashas are calculated for a 120 year period.

The usual process is to calculate the nakshtra on which the moon is
placed. Every nakshatra has a planet-lord. There are 27 nakshatras and the
nine planets rule over three nakshatras each. The planet lord of the moon's
nakshatra at birth is given the beginning years of the dashas at birth.

Just like moon's nakshatra, every planet and even the ascendent is
placed on one of these 27 nakshatras. So, if one calculates dashas by lagna,
the planet-lord of lagna's nakshatra forms the first phase of the dashas and
so on.

The dasha cycle goes on in following way: Ketu(7 years), venus(20
years), sun(6 years), moon(10 years), mars(7 years), rahu(18 years),
jupiter(16 years), saturn(19 yeas) and mercury(17 years). This sequence and
ratio is maintained in all sub-periods of the dashas. Like if one has to
calculate the antardasha of sun in venus mahadasha then the formula will be:

6/120 * 20*12

Many astrological softwares today have the provision of
dasha-calculations by either of the nine planets or the ascendent itself.

John lennon was born in pisces ascendent and ascendent's nakshatra
was revati, ruled by mercury. Whereas, his moon was in shravan nakshatra,
ruled by moon.


I hope this is of some help.


Regards,

Ashutosh



----- Original Message -----
From: "sabinchenus" <stetsa@...>
To: <valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2005 01:09
Subject: [VA] Re: John Lennon 25 Years Later


Thank you, dear Ashutosh for your reply, now i am really confused (most of
the time)....

I was under the impression that i used the Lagna. I re-casted chart and used
moon
as ascendent and getting again (ofcourse?) the same dashas.

If your time permits, could you please explain in little more detail, what
you are
referring to? I might have some big stumbling block in my understanding
here...and
could learn something very important.

Thank you again.

Blessings,
Sabine




--- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "astrologerashutosh"
<astrologerashutosh@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sabine,
>
> Mu takes dasha calculated by lagna, not by moon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashutosh
>
>
> >
> > --- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "MuMin Bey" <mumin_bey@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > John Lennon 25 Years Later
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > John Lennon Oct 9 1940 6.30PM BST Liverpool, England/UK; Lahiri 26
> > > Pis 40.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the time Lennon was killed, he was in his Moon Dasa. This in
> > > itself wouldn't make one think "death" - but - when we consider the
> > > fact that Lennon's sub period of Jupiter came in ONE DAY BEFORE he
> > > was shot to death, it all makes perfect sense. Remember what I said
> > > above about the importance of the Asc Lord? Very often, in the
> > > charts of people who's lives are shortened, the Lagnesh is usually
> > > very weakened in some way. At the very least, even if they don't die
> > > when the periods of their ruling planets are in operation, they can
> > > expect protracted periods of illness, etc. Note too that Jupiter
> > > rules the 12th House from the Moon. Loss. Note too that Jupiter
> > > along with debilitated Saturn aspects the 8th House of Death.
> > >
> > > Salaam,
> > > Mu
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to: valist-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> > For software visit: http://www.goravani.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Ashutosh,

thank you again so very much for taking the time to give a detailed explanation
to my question. It is very much appreciated and it seems, that i finally
completely
understand how dashas are created and calculated.

I am using Goravan Jyotish 2.5 and yes, indeed it has the feature to experiment
with
different rulers or planets, creating different dashas.

But that fact creates ofcourse more confusion for me, because i do not
understand how
this can be helpful in an interpretation of events etc. - one could create an
overwhelming
amount of data to analyse.

Again, if your time permits - could you maybe share a small sample out of your
practice to illustrate the application?

I really like the way you explain the facts))

Thank you so very much.

Blessings,
Sabine









--- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh@y...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sabine,
>
> You do not have to take the moon as an ascendent to
> calculate dashas by lagna.
>
> The dashas system which is most popular in vedic astrology is
> vimshottari dasha where the dashas are calculated for a 120 year period.
>
> The usual process is to calculate the nakshtra on which the moon is
> placed. Every nakshatra has a planet-lord. There are 27 nakshatras and the
> nine planets rule over three nakshatras each. The planet lord of the moon's
> nakshatra at birth is given the beginning years of the dashas at birth.
>
> Just like moon's nakshatra, every planet and even the ascendent is
> placed on one of these 27 nakshatras. So, if one calculates dashas by lagna,
> the planet-lord of lagna's nakshatra forms the first phase of the dashas and
> so on.
>
> The dasha cycle goes on in following way: Ketu(7 years), venus(20
> years), sun(6 years), moon(10 years), mars(7 years), rahu(18 years),
> jupiter(16 years), saturn(19 yeas) and mercury(17 years). This sequence and
> ratio is maintained in all sub-periods of the dashas. Like if one has to
> calculate the antardasha of sun in venus mahadasha then the formula will be:
>
> 6/120 * 20*12
>
> Many astrological softwares today have the provision of
> dasha-calculations by either of the nine planets or the ascendent itself.
>
> John lennon was born in pisces ascendent and ascendent's nakshatra
> was revati, ruled by mercury. Whereas, his moon was in shravan nakshatra,
> ruled by moon.
>
>
> I hope this is of some help.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashutosh
>
>
>
>

Dear Sabine,

After many years of practice, astrologers develop
their own slightly different methods of intrepreting horoscopes. But, for a
beginner, going by moon based dashas is a safe method.

Based on the malefic-benefic nature of planets, their relationships
with each other and their strengths, the dasha and antardashas are
interpreted.

It would be better for you to get hold of any beginner's book on
vedic jyotish and enhance your knowledge.

I take whole horoscope as a whole while interpreting and even one
example will take a lot of typing down for me. Time constraints are a
barrier here.

Regards,

Ashutosh




----- Original Message -----
From: "sabinchenus" <stetsa@...>
To: <valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 00:37
Subject: [VA] Re: John Lennon 25 Years Later


> Dear Ashutosh,
>
> thank you again so very much for taking the time to give a detailed
explanation
> to my question. It is very much appreciated and it seems, that i finally
completely
> understand how dashas are created and calculated.
>
> I am using Goravan Jyotish 2.5 and yes, indeed it has the feature to
experiment with
> different rulers or planets, creating different dashas.
>
> But that fact creates ofcourse more confusion for me, because i do not
understand how
> this can be helpful in an interpretation of events etc. - one could
create an overwhelming
> amount of data to analyse.
>
> Again, if your time permits - could you maybe share a small sample out of
your
> practice to illustrate the application?
>
> I really like the way you explain the facts))
>
> Thank you so very much.
>
> Blessings,
> Sabine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "astrologerashutosh"
<astrologerashutosh@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sabine,
> >
> > You do not have to take the moon as an ascendent
to
> > calculate dashas by lagna.
> >
> > The dashas system which is most popular in vedic astrology is
> > vimshottari dasha where the dashas are calculated for a 120 year period.
> >
> > The usual process is to calculate the nakshtra on which the moon
is
> > placed. Every nakshatra has a planet-lord. There are 27 nakshatras and
the
> > nine planets rule over three nakshatras each. The planet lord of the
moon's
> > nakshatra at birth is given the beginning years of the dashas at birth.
> >
> > Just like moon's nakshatra, every planet and even the ascendent
is
> > placed on one of these 27 nakshatras. So, if one calculates dashas by
lagna,
> > the planet-lord of lagna's nakshatra forms the first phase of the dashas
and
> > so on.
> >
> > The dasha cycle goes on in following way: Ketu(7 years),
venus(20
> > years), sun(6 years), moon(10 years), mars(7 years), rahu(18 years),
> > jupiter(16 years), saturn(19 yeas) and mercury(17 years). This sequence
and
> > ratio is maintained in all sub-periods of the dashas. Like if one has to
> > calculate the antardasha of sun in venus mahadasha then the formula will
be:
> >
> > 6/120 * 20*12
> >
> > Many astrological softwares today have the provision of
> > dasha-calculations by either of the nine planets or the ascendent
itself.
> >
> > John lennon was born in pisces ascendent and ascendent's
nakshatra
> > was revati, ruled by mercury. Whereas, his moon was in shravan
nakshatra,
> > ruled by moon.
> >
> >
> > I hope this is of some help.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ashutosh
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe, send an email to: valist-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> For software visit: http://www.goravani.com
> Yahoo!

Dear Ashutosh,

Thank you so much for your always kind and valuable information, also for taking
the time to reply.

I understand your reasoning.

Rushing back to the books

Blessings,
Sabine



--- In valist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh@y...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sabine,
>
> After many years of practice, astrologers develop
> their own slightly different methods of intrepreting horoscopes. But, for a
> beginner, going by moon based dashas is a safe method.
>
> Based on the malefic-benefic nature of planets, their relationships
> with each other and their strengths, the dasha and antardashas are
> interpreted.
>
> It would be better for you to get hold of any beginner's book on
> vedic jyotish and enhance your knowledge.
>
> I take whole horoscope as a whole while interpreting and even one
> example will take a lot of typing down for me. Time constraints are a
> barrier here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashutosh
>
>
>
>
>