DEAR SANJAY RATH,
I wished to avoid this conversation , because if i was to write email , it
would have been my choice to answer long pending cases before falling into
any conversation. With sorry to my friends , and please wait for some more
time , whose casesare pending with me.

I HAD WRITTEN MY VIEWS IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath@...>
To: <gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions



Om Gurave Namah
-----------------------------------------------------------
Dear Inder Jit & Sarajit,

I am a humble SIKSHA GURU like so many others in this line and am human and
can err. I am not a Diksha Guru and am not qualified for the same, so please
do not expect that level of perfection from me. We are all walking on a very
dark path and can only pray to Vasudeva to throw some light in this
darkness. You had started a very nice thread and this is very nice to
discuss as this questions the very foundations of Jyotish itself. Had it not
been for external interference, this would have continued ..now that you
ask, may Jagannatha Mahaprabhu guide my hand..
Karma & Free will
1. After death, a person carries with him the dharma and the Karma which
can be divided into two broad parts called Sanchita Karma and Prarabdha
Karma. Sanchita Karma is finished in various types of hells and suffering in
the life after death whereas Prarabdha Karma has to be carried into another
body and can be burnt only through experience. So, only the most elevated
souls who have complete control over their Indriya's (sense's) are not
affected by these experiences in this life. All others are.
PRABADHA KARMA IS THE NAME OF THOSE KARMA ,THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHICH ONE
WILL FACE DURING THIS LIFE , THE SCHEME WITH WHICH ONE IS BORN.WHICH IS
SHOWN BY THE BIRTH CHART.
SANCHIT KARMA ARE ALL THOSE KARMA'S WHICH ONE WILL FACE IN THE NEXT BIRTHS ,
THOSE DONE IN THIS BIRTH MAY ALSO ADD TO THESE SANCHIT KARMA, IF ARE DONE
WITH PROUD? ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ONLY THOSE KARMA'S WHICH HE DO WITH
PROUD, SURRENDER AND WORKS WITHOUT PROUD ARE NOT ADDED TO SANCHIT KARMA'S
AND CAUSE ENLIGHTENMENT OF ONE'S SELF.
HEAVENS AND HELL AND SALVATION ALL ARE WITHIN THIS BODY AND NOTHNG IS AWAY
FROM IT.
NATURE HAS PERFECT RULES AND EVERY ACTION HAS ITS COUNTER REACTION AND FORM
THE SEED WITHIN OUR JIVA. THESES SEEDS ARE THE SANCHIT KARMA.
AGAIN SOME SEEDS BECOMES TREE IMMEDIATELY AND SOME TAKES BIRTHS TO GROW.

2. Based on the Prarabdha Karma, Krishna decides the circumstances of
birth, experiences and length of life that a person has to undergo to
complete this Prarabdha. Sometimes one life is not enough and many births
maybe necessary. The conception chart is used to determine the past karma.
In fact the Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart) of the Nisheka (Conception) tells us
many details. This is not a practical proposition, but not an impossibility
given the direction of development of the biological sciences. The Janma
Kundali (Birth Chart) is the perfect map of the Prarabdha Karma and the
Shastyamsa (D-60 Chart) is the most vital in the Shodasavarga scheme of
Parasara. The D-60 gets the highest weightage in the Vimsopaka Bala scheme
and hence establishes its priority over others. This chart also tells us
about the Prarabdha Karma in addition to the Navamsa, Rasi and other charts
in their relative importance (weights assigned by Parasara in Vimsopaka
scheme).

THESE ARE THE FATALISTIC VIEWS , WHO DECIDES FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELEIVE IN
KRISHNA? JANMA KUNDLI SHOWS THE PRALABADH OTHERVISE CALLED DESTINY IS AGREED
AS A.LREADY DISCUSSED ABOVE.

3. Given this paradigm of the theory of Karma and rebirth, we hardly have
any space to maneuver and it seems that the journey through this life is an
inevitable jail term that we must bear. This is true. Now the hard question
is what is the role of Jyotish and in what way is the Jyotish going to help
in altering the inalterable or changing that which cannot be changed as the
term is fixed and so is the sentence inevitable. In reply some astrologers
offer platitudes like making the suffering easier by knowing that this was
an eventuality and that this is only a natural reaction to what we had done,
but then this is a nice logical analysis and is not really supported by the
traditional texts or literature. This question was answered in detail by Har
ihara the author of Prasna Marga (translation Dr B V Raman). After reading
that, all doubts will disappear and you will realize the great job that Dr
Raman has done.
WHY JAIL , THE BIRTH IS DUE TO INCOMPLETE DESIRES OF THE MIND AND TO KNOW
THYSELF, THIS KNOWLEDGE WILL COME THROUGH THIS BODY AND THERE IS NO OTHER
WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS.

4. Like every other birth, the Atma rides (Arudha) this Mana (Mind-Moon)
which controls this Sareera (Body). The Atma remebers all tis past
incarnations but the Mana, being new and aware of this incarnation alone
cannot understand the reason behind the various forms of suffering that it
sees and experiences. It expresses anger when a feeling that injustice has
been done (based on its awareness and concept of justice) this is Mars and
later this passion results in sorrow as the atma does not cooperate with the
Mana being aware that the Prarabdha Karma is being burnt through this
anubhava (experience). It is here that Jupiter intervenes. If Jupiter is
strong in simhalokamsa or is strengthened by adoration of one's DIKSHA GURU
(be careful here - not Siksha Guru's like K N Rao or myself and Achyutananda
Dasa has warned us to be very careful with the advent and advancement of
Kali Yuga w.r.t guru's), then one is directed in the path of self correction
through recitation of prayers for forgiveness and protection from evil
experiences that are destined to come.

WE ARE BECAUSE OF MIND ,THOUGHTS AND DESIRES, WHAT IS ME A BUNCH OF THOUGTHS
AND DESIRES LYING ON THE GREATER CONSCIOUS WHO IS HOLDING THE WHOLE WORLD ,
AND AWAY FROM THIS MIND , MIND ELOPES THEN I AM THE GREATER CONSCIOUS, WHO
HAS SEVERAL HANDS TWO OF WHICH ARE YOURS AND ADDED TO IT ARE OF THE WHOLE
UNIVERSE. DIFFERNT IDEAS , DIFFERENT MINDS ARE RESTING , BUT AWAY FROM MIND
NO DESIRE NOTHING .
A BIRTH CHART IS A MEASURE OF PARAMETERS OF VARIOUS KARMA'S , JUPITER
ITSSELF IS NOT AKASH BUT IT REPRESENTS THE AKASH TATWA ,ITS MOMENTS AND
PLACEMENTS SPEAKS ABOUT THE MEASURE OF VARIOUS AUSPISIOUSKARMA OF A PERSON.
LIKE WE READ ON THERMOMETER THE TEMPREATURE OF AN INDIVIDUAL, HERE THE
INSTRUMENTS IS A WAY TO MEASURE THE TEMPREATURE AND IT IS NOT THE
TEMPREATURE ITSSELF.
5. This is the point of Harihara when he was explaining the value of
Prasna. Prasna tells us whether the native has done better or worse Karma
from his birth till the time of Prasna. Thus Karma done in this life is
immediately recorded by Chitra Gupta (sitting on the star Chitra -linked to
Chitra paksha Ayanamsa maybe). [Some astrologers advise the worship of
Chitra gupta the assistants of Yama on Chaitra (derived from Chitra)
Poornima so that they may skip some records of your bad Karma!!!]. This
immediate recording results in an alteration or influence to the birth/natal
chart and has a profound influence on the immediate and long term future.
a.. If the Natal Chart planetary positions are better than the Prasna
chart, then the person has fallen further in this life i.e. accumulated more
bad karma.
b.. If the Natal chart planetary indications are worse than the Prasna
chart then infer that he has done better Karma in this life, and to that
extent shall have a better future.
c.. If the indications of the Natal and Prasna chart are the same, then
then he is merely sailing through this life experiences the past Karma.
d.. That the effect of this Karma can alter the indications of the Janma
Kundali including Longevity (Please keep calm and read further).
I ALREADY DISCUSSED IT IN MY FIRST PARA, SOME KARMA'S GIVE THE RESULTS IN
THE SAME BIRTH, LIKE TAKE A BAD MEAL AND YOU WILL GET THE INSTANT RESULT ,
ABUSE SOME ONE AND YOU MAY GET IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. AND THERE ARE OTHER
KARMA'S WHICH TAKE THE FORM OF SANCHIT KARMA.
6. It is evident from the above clear statements that the Karma we do in
this life is immediately recorded from the moment the Karma is performed and
has an immediate impact on the future whether immediate or distant or
subsequent births. It is here that another question crops up. This is the
question of FREE WILL. Now, what is free will? It means the power to
determine the action that one shall take as a consequence to or for the
purpose of some event or goal. It is a goal directed action and not an
involuntary action. This is where the question of Upachaya comes up and the
houses 3,6,10 & 11 deal with the actions that one can or will take given
the various inputs from the environment (33% is bounded rationality like the
Simonian model of decision making) . Thus, in the first place, this action
itself is bounded by various inputs and this is called bounded rationality
depending on four factors that are like four boundaries of a plot -
Information (Knowledge) called BUDDHI [Dharma-Ayana], Resources that are
focused on VRIDDHI or increase of wealth [Artha-Ayana], Abilities that
fulfil desires based on (the purity of) the purpose SUDDHI [Kaama -Ayana]
and finally Time that is the final giver of emancipation and end of all
Karma whether Sanchita or Prarabdha called SIDDHI [Moksha-Ayana]. Here comes
the greatest teaching of the Gita "KARMA IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT BUT YOU HAVE NO
RIGHT (ADHIKARA) ON THE FRUITS". This adhikara or right to freedom of
Action is the only birth right given by God.
Hence Harihara (Prasna Marga) prays
Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhiya
Dhiyayami sadhwaham Buddhe Suddhyai Vriddhyai cha Siddhye
NO ONLY SOME KARMAS HAVE THE IMMEDIATEDTE OR THE IMPACT WITHIN THIS BIRTH.
ALL DOES NOT AND CANNOT CHANGE, YOU CANNOT CHOOSE YOUR PARENTS , FROM WHICH
POINT THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN STARTED. IF THE PARENTS COULD NOT BE CHOOSED THEN
HOW ONE WILL CHOOSE THAT TO WHOM MARRY ? AN ASTROLOGER ULTIMATELY ,KNOWINGLY
OR UNKNOWINGLY FIXES THE SAME MATCH , WHICH ARE DESTINED TO BE MARRIED, YOU
DISCUSSED VARIOUS TYPES OF MARRIGES THESE ARE IRRELEVENT TO PRESENT
DISCUSSION.PRALABADH KARMAS WHICH ARE SHOWN BY THE BIRTH CHART ARE LIKE A
BULLET SHOT FROM THE GUN WHICH COULD NOT BE RETURNED. A YOGI INDEED WILL
BURN HIS SANCHIT KARMA ,THAT IS THOSE WHICH HE WAS TO FACE IN THE NEXT
BIRTHS , BUT PRALABDH HE HAS TO FACE, AND READ THE LIFE OF GREAT SAINTS ,
HOW THEY REACHED TO THERE END. A YOGI BURN HIS SANCHIT KARMA'S LIKE A HEATED
UP SEED WILL NOT PRODUSE ANYTHING.

7. Once again we come to the definiton of the self (SWA) and find that
the Atma is merely an observer and hence these houses or UPACHAYA for
reckoning the right to action or exercise of free-will is not at the level
of the Atma and is merely a process of action and reaction of the Mana and
Sareera in this manifested Universe. Thus, this is only to be seen from the
Lagna and especially, the Moon, especially the tenth house from the Moon.
Kalyan Verma (Saravali) has given a very detailed explanation on the
placement of individual planets or groups of them in the tenth from the
Moon. Why is so much importance being given to the Moon for this free-will?
It is the mind where the seed of all action is generated and hence Moon the
Manakaraka is the playground for this Maya to act on. This is what the
Bhagavat Gita teaches "Give the reigns of the horses (of your mind) to
Krishna and see how He shall steer you through the battlefield of life (Life
in the Kali Yuga is viewed as a battle field)". The Rig Veda is very clear
about the generation of this seed of all action in the mind in Vishwamitra's
prayer to Brihaspati:

Suchim-arkair Brihaspatim advareshu namasyate ...
May Brihaspati (the Deva Guru -note my earlier explanation to the importance
of the Diksha Guru and Jupiter) the granter of success (to all our actions -
the term adhvareshu refers to the inviolable principle or the TRUTH that
must prevail like OM TAT SAT) give us good thoughts (that lead to such
actions that are inviolable - the inviolable principle also refers to
holding back such thoughts that lead to such Karma that would violate the
principles of Dharma).

8. It is evident that this concept of free will is limited to the Mana
and that too the Upachaya's i.e. those thoughts that are action related.
Having accepted the limited free will concept, we now come to the method of
Vedic remedial measures called Mantra i.e. Mana + Trai or protection of the
Mana from (a) generating such seeds of evil thought that result in evil
Karma, as well as (b) protecting against the provocation from the
experiences of Past karma that can bring anger, sorrow and passion (Rajas)
and ignorance (Tamas) to dominate the Mana and raise the level of the Mana
to that of the Atma (self realisation).

9. Inder jit, please do not read me wrong when I say this. Vivaha (i.e.
Marriage and its specific form) is destined in the form of an ANUBHAVA and
to say that two people were married for so many births or shall continue
together for so many births is fine if you are a priest solemnising the
marriage but not as a Jyotisha. How the Mana will react to the various
experiences that it is subject to and is so confused about (not having the
knowledge of Prarabdha) is what a Jyotisha should be looking for. This is
where he can guide if he is aware of the pitfalls and troubles that can
result from a mismatch like Kuja Dosha (that was what had started this
thread). I have done lots of studies in this area and unlike others have
also given out a lot of 'so called secrets' related to determination of
circumstances, timing, Lagna of spouse, status of family, details about the
in-laws and possible troubles like mother-in-law problem etc. In fact my
writings in this area are very comprehensive and still, I cannot say with
any certainty that this is the spouse (although I have done this and have
later wondered as to why I was so sure..an inner feeling that I cannot
explain). In fact the Royal family of Agra will vouch on this, when I was
100% sure that the two charts Rani-mata had brought were to get married (I
also gave the time when the boy would agree and what not all). Prasna is a
very vital tool for this.

Thank you again for bearing with my Chandrastama problem..( I see transits
from Natal positions in Navamsa as well). We men are also feminine as we
cannot escape this monthly cycle... HE alone is the Purusha.
TO BE
INTUTIVE IS A GRAET TOOL OF THE ASTROLOGER , AND BY ADMITTING THAT YOU WAS
ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THAT THIS WILL CERTANILY MARRY TO THIS YOU ARE FAVORING MY
ARGUMENTS.
WITH REGARDS TO ALL

INDER JIT SAHNI
Om Tat Sat
Sanjay Rath
----- Original Message -----
From: Inder Jit Sahni
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions


Dear Sanjay,
Though it could be done , but still we are in such a stage in astrology that
we cannot prove many things like in science that Hydrogen and oxygen
combined will always make water.People will believe that Astrology is a
science when it will become so.
To match the best horoscopes is a very easy thing and to predict the destiny
which two will marry will depend on very high intuitive capability and
individual capacity, but even if one will try to interfere with the destiny
,one may not succeed.

At least i cannot change the destiny of any individual .
Some Guru astrologers could do that , i doubt.
But Even Krishna could not change the destiny of Arjuna , so no body could
interfere ,we can give mental solace and that is our limit.Same was done by
Lord Krishna by his teaching to Arjuna.

Some times we do predict that these persons are sure to marry , but depends
on parameters and circumstances.

No further debate on this issue , i will not be available to answer being
very busy at the moment with my other activities.

With Regards,
Inder Jit Sahni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath@...>
To: <gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions



Om Gurave Namah
-----------------------------------------------------------
Dear Inder Jit,

OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom we are bound to marry. Fine
So, i will give you one male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and you
have to tell me which one the male married as the marriage is destined/bound
to marry and you know destiny by say some method.

Do you accept this, if not then by using the standard principles of kuja
Dosha etc taught in the texts we can choose the right partner and then after
they marry you can say that they are husband and wife for seven lives and so
on...And even then sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.

Best Wishes
Sanjay Rath
----- Original Message -----
From: Inder Jit Sahni
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions


Sanjay wrote,
"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the
person with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has
shown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."
Marriages are decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very common
quote, birth and death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And if
parents are fixed then by astrology we can only choose to find out a already
fixed match for us to whom we are bond to marry , no choice my dear.







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Haribol!

I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars retrograde would cancel out
kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik by several astrologers, and that
I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde.

It would be most helpful to get this straightened out, as I am currently seeking
a husband and need to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in
advance for your service!

ys,

Bhaktin Kirsten

June 7, 1969
8:52pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time)
New Britain, Connecticut, USA
41N40, 72W47

Kirsten:

I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've found
astrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that makes
finding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition, I
wouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.
Some astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human race
into two groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical of
simple categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having Mars --
retrograde or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularly
favourable indication for marriage. It means that there will likely be
conflict and argument as the archetypal form of communication in your
partnerships. This is all the more true given that your 7L Mercury is
aspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.


So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. But
I would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.
They may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someone
who doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that meshes
well with yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek out
partners that embody some kind of martian quality. This will have the
effect of constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martian
energy into a channel that will work well for you.

all the best,

Chris

At 05:03 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote:
> Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars
>retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik
>by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in
> Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need
>to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for
>your service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern
>Daylight Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47
>
>
> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat
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Hi Kevil, Kirtsten,

According to James Braha, Kuja Dosa gets cancelled if Mars is in Scorpio, as in
this case...if I understand that well. Is that common opinion?
Anna
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Kevill
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
Kirsten:I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've
foundastrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that
makesfinding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition,
Iwouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.Some
astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human raceinto two
groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical ofsimple
categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having Mars --retrograde
or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularlyfavourable indication
for marriage. It means that there will likely beconflict and argument as the
archetypal form of communication in yourpartnerships. This is all the more
true given that your 7L Mercury isaspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.
So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. ButI
would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.They
may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someonewho
doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that mesheswell with
yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek outpartners that
embody some kind of martian quality. This will have theeffect of
constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martianenergy into a
channel that will work well for you.all the best,ChrisAt 05:03 PM 10/15/01
-0400, you wrote:> Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether
Mars>retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am Manglik
>by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars in>
Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need>to
know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for>your
service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern>Daylight
Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47 > > > Om Namo Bhagavate
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Dear Kirsten
I agree with Christopher's comments . Your chart is a very spiritual one
with 9th and 10th Lords together aspected by 5th Lord Mars and natal Lord
and natural karaka of dharma Jupiter . Your Mars although badly placed in
the 12th is in it's own sign and therefore activates the search for moksha
or liberation .Then it to receives the aspect of the Mercury Sun combination
.. Venus and Saturn are well placed in the 5th .Jupiter lagna Lord in the
10th can give excellent religious deeds .

On the caution side I notice that the 7th Lord has gone to the 6th the
house of disputes and is aspected by Mars the Lord of disputes . Falling in
the house of Taurus there is a danger of getting into too rigid positions or
falling into the natural weakness of Sagittarian Lagnas to be too self
righteous .Marriage requires compromise,flexibilty and acceptance .

I imagine you are an excellent cook and best of luck with your marriage and
Krsna consciousness
Nicholas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill@...>
To: <gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions


> Kirsten:
>
> I can appreciate your desire to clarify this issue. However, I've found
> astrologers to be notoriously sectarian in their views and that makes
> finding clear consistent views on things difficult. In addition, I
> wouldn't worry too much about finding out if you are or aren't manglik.
> Some astrologers consider this an important way to divide up the human
race
> into two groups to help them marry more happily. I'm pretty skeptical of
> simple categorizations like that. Having said that, I think having
Mars --
> retrograde or not -- aspecting your 7th house isn't a particularly
> favourable indication for marriage. It means that there will likely be
> conflict and argument as the archetypal form of communication in your
> partnerships. This is all the more true given that your 7L Mercury is
> aspected by Mars and Mars rules the navamsha.
>
>
> So I guess if you want my opinion, that probably makes you a manglik. But
> I would't really say you should only pursue partners who are also manglik.
> They may have totally incompatible charts with yours. Conversely, someone
> who doesn't have this kujadosha affliction may have a chart that meshes
> well with yours. As a general piece of advice, I would try to seek out
> partners that embody some kind of martian quality. This will have the
> effect of constructively redirecting that otherwise difficult martian
> energy into a channel that will work well for you.
>
> all the best,
>
> Chris
>
> At 05:03 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > Haribol! I am wondering if someone could tell me whether Mars
> >retrograde would cancel out kuja dosha. I have been told that I am
Manglik
> >by several astrologers, and that I am NOT Manglik by others. I have Mars
in
> > Scorpio in the 12th, retrograde. currently seeking a husband and need
> >to know this info for compatibility assessment. Thank you in advance for
> >your service! ys, Bhaktin Kirsten June 7, 1969 8:52pm EDT (Eastern
> >Daylight Time) New Britain, Connecticut, USA 41N40, 72W47
> >
> >
> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat
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>
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Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,

Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th, 7th, 8th
and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern India,
2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses out of
12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a sizeable
number would have problems in marriage. No.

What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its exaltation
sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter.
What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the other
chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.
Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I have
seen many parents suffering in India also when their children become
marriageable.

In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then take into
account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and benefic
aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars dosha
would be taken care of.

with best wishes,

Manoj


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Dear Respected list members,

I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question re: Kuja! Your
insights have been extremely helpful (and totally 'right on' if I do say so
myself! - Through your responses, I have gained a deeper insight into my own
character, and am more optimistic about my ability to transcend the negative
qualities in my chart. THANK YOU!!!

Your fallen, Manglik servant,

Bhaktin Kirsten
khd5 (AT) home (DOT) com

Manoj,

I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)

>>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<

What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as
with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another
planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used
instead? TIA

Tulasi


--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,
>
> Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,
7th, 8th
> and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern
India,
> 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses
out of
> 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a
sizeable
> number would have problems in marriage. No.
>
> What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its
exaltation
> sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by
Jupiter.
> What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the
other
> chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.
> Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I
have
> seen many parents suffering in India also when their children
become
> marriageable.
>
> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
take into
> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord
and benefic
> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to
Mars dosha
> would be taken care of.
>
> with best wishes,
>
> Manoj
>
>
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Dear Tulasi Devi ji,

Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the rising
sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the 7th lord,
even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss, still
their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it. Jupiter
covers it all.

best wishes,

Manoj


>From: tulasidevi2000@...
>Reply-To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:53:08 -0000
>
>Manoj,
>
>I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)
>
> >>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<
>
>What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as
>with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another
>planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used
>instead? TIA
>
>Tulasi
>
>
>--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> > Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,
> >
> > Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,
>7th, 8th
> > and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In Southern
>India,
> > 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5 houses
>out of
> > 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a
>sizeable
> > number would have problems in marriage. No.
> >
> > What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its
>exaltation
> > sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is aspected by
>Jupiter.
> > What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if the
>other
> > chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars Dosha.
> > Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others because I
>have
> > seen many parents suffering in India also when their children
>become
> > marriageable.
> >
> > In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
>take into
> > account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord
>and benefic
> > aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to
>Mars dosha
> > would be taken care of.
> >
> > with best wishes,
> >
> > Manoj
> >
> >
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le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak@...>, Manoj
Pathak a écrit :

> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then take into
> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and benefic
> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars dosha
> would be taken care of.

> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the rising
> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the 7th lord,
> even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss, still
> their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it. Jupiter
> covers it all.

> Manoj

Dear all, dear Manoj,

It's the first time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't know
if this word is correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.

I say hello to all of you :-))

Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write in
English ;-(

I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :

I've Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.
Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces) aspects Mars.
Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in 12th).

My birthdata :

August 25 1963
11h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)
Etterbeek, Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')
Moon and lagna in Libra.
Navamsa lagna : Sagittarius

My questions are :

- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's aspect on Mars ?
(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)
Mars is the 7th lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house
(7th)
Mars is also 2th lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice a
time Kujadosha :-(

- Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on the
Kujadosha ?

For infos :

I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and after... my husband agressed
me in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney exploded -> hole hemorragy
blood....)
After that, I was separated of him and I divorced in 2000.

I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians" :
- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in Leo
(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...
- After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). We
didn't have conflicts, but we didn't live together.
- Now, I am with a men who has Sun in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadosha
too ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his Navamsa lagna is Aries.
What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of 7th, in 12th... ;-),
but they are still conflicts between us since we live together.

I read in J.Braha's book that :
"the person with Kujadosha will be somehow victimized in his marriage"
(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who agressed me physically, and also
now, for my actuel partner, who agressed me too, but psychologycally)

and that :
"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they won't hurt each other."
With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case ?

J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not feel
much physical attraction between each other"
That's not the case with my last partner : there is a lot of attraction
between us. Do I have to conclude that he doesn't have Kujadosha in his
chart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)

(P.S. When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas
(Vimshottari dasa), and Mars is maraka)

Hope this will help.


P.S. Manoj, you said :
> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...

Mars is, in my case, lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars
(in Shadbala ?)
And... how to see the strength of houses ?


Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))

With my best wishes :-))

Marie-Christine

Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a
specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.
Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person
with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that
the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is
the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of
agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels
it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this
job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of
Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak
in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much
as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is
the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today
because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of
Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva
like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best
remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Marie-Christine Sclifet
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak
a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and
benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars
dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail
irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th
house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of
matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of
know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first
time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is
correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you
:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write
inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've
Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)
aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in
12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,
Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :
SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's
aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th
lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th
lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-
Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on
theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and
after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney
exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I
divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"
:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in
Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-
After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't
have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun
in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his
Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of
7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live
together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be
somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who
agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me
too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they
won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case
?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not
feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my
last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude
that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.
When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari
dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account
the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,
lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how
to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With
my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjay Rath
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a
specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.
Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person
with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that
the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is
the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of
agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels
it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this
job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of
Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak
in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much
as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is
the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today
because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of
Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva
like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best
remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Marie-Christine Sclifet
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak
a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and
benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars
dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail
irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th
house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of
matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of
know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first
time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is
correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you
:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write
inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've
Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)
aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in
12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,
Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :
SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's
aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th
lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th
lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-
Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on
theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and
after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney
exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I
divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"
:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in
Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-
After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't
have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun
in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his
Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of
7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live
together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be
somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who
agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me
too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they
won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case
?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not
feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my
last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude
that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.
When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari
dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account
the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,
lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how
to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With
my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;
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Dear Sanjay, Phil.
With Cancer Lagna, Mars in 4th, Jupiter in Pisces in 9th/opposing Lord of 7th
(can that be considered a good sign?), Sun in 7th-I was married once- no
violence, just financial advantage did he have from me, since I wanted to
divorce the easiest possible way-out of court, and to take my son with me. No,
I don't like that living-dead person.. Is this Kuja-dosha.. ? After that
experience I haven't considered marriage. It was a bitter experience, but I
guess all divorces are?Anna
----- Original Message -----
From: Phyl Chubb MA
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjay Rath
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a
specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.
Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person
with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that
the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is
the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of
agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels
it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this
job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of
Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak
in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much
as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is
the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today
because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of
Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva
like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best
remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Marie-Christine Sclifet
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak
a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and
benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars
dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail
irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th
house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of
matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of
know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first
time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is
correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you
:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write
inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've
Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)
aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in
12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,
Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :
SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's
aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th
lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th
lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-
Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on
theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and
after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney
exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I
divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"
:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in
Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-
After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't
have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun
in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his
Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of
7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live
together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be
somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who
agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me
too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they
won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case
?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not
feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my
last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude
that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.
When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari
dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account
the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,
lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how
to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With
my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;
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Thank you Manoj,

I will have to think about this. If it were me for example (which its
not) I cannot say that I would find it beneficial to have problems
that could hide. I beleive talking is healing, though I suppose it
could have to do with what point the problems arise (if they are new
or have been going on a long time), as well as the nature of the
person and how they prefer to handle such things (to talk vs. to
cover them). So whether or not Jupiter aspecting a kuja dosh Mars is
benefic for a rising sign where Jupiter is by nature, malefic for
that lagna is still unclear to me.

Tulasi

--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> Dear Tulasi Devi ji,
>
> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the
rising
> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the
7th lord,
> even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss,
still
> their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it.
Jupiter
> covers it all.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Manoj
>
>
> >From: tulasidevi2000@y...
> >Reply-To: gjlist@y...
> >To: gjlist@y...
> >Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
> >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:53:08 -0000
> >
> >Manoj,
> >
> >I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)
> >
> > >>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<
> >
> >What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as
> >with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another
> >planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used
> >instead? TIA
> >
> >Tulasi
> >
> >
> >--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> > > Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,
> > >
> > > Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,
> >7th, 8th
> > > and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In
Southern
> >India,
> > > 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5
houses
> >out of
> > > 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a
> >sizeable
> > > number would have problems in marriage. No.
> > >
> > > What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its
> >exaltation
> > > sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is
aspected by
> >Jupiter.
> > > What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if
the
> >other
> > > chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars
Dosha.
> > > Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others
because I
> >have
> > > seen many parents suffering in India also when their children
> >become
> > > marriageable.
> > >
> > > In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and
then
> >take into
> > > account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord
> >and benefic
> > > aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to
> >Mars dosha
> > > would be taken care of.
> > >
> > > with best wishes,
> > >
> > > Manoj
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Dear Tulasi,

There is always a difference between a planet's placement and its aspect.
Think over it. Perhaps you would find its answer in BPHS.

regards,

Manoj


>From: tulasidevi2000@...
>Reply-To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:31:52 -0000
>
>Thank you Manoj,
>
>I will have to think about this. If it were me for example (which its
>not) I cannot say that I would find it beneficial to have problems
>that could hide. I beleive talking is healing, though I suppose it
>could have to do with what point the problems arise (if they are new
>or have been going on a long time), as well as the nature of the
>person and how they prefer to handle such things (to talk vs. to
>cover them). So whether or not Jupiter aspecting a kuja dosh Mars is
>benefic for a rising sign where Jupiter is by nature, malefic for
>that lagna is still unclear to me.
>
>Tulasi
>
>--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> > Dear Tulasi Devi ji,
> >
> > Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail irrespective of the
>rising
> > sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th house or the
>7th lord,
> > even if the partners are not having the best of matrimonial bliss,
>still
> > their friends and neighbours would not even come of know of it.
>Jupiter
> > covers it all.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Manoj
> >
> >
> > >From: tulasidevi2000@y...
> > >Reply-To: gjlist@y...
> > >To: gjlist@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:53:08 -0000
> > >
> > >Manoj,
> > >
> > >I have a question for you. (Or anyone.)
> > >
> > > >>What happens if such a Mars is aspected by Jupiter. <<
> > >
> > >What about if when Jupiter is not good for the rising sign, such as
> > >with Gemini or Aquarius? Would this still apply? Would another
> > >planet, such as one that is benefic for their rising, be used
> > >instead? TIA
> > >
> > >Tulasi
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In gjlist@y..., "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:
> > > > Dear Nicholas and Christopher and Kirsten,
> > > >
> > > > Lets first understand Kuja Dosha. Placement of Mars in Ist, 4th,
> > >7th, 8th
> > > > and 12th house constitutes Kuja Dosha or Manglik Dosha. In
>Southern
> > >India,
> > > > 2nd house is also taken into consideration. Now this makes 5
>houses
> > >out of
> > > > 12 houses would have Kuja Dosham. Do we mean to say, that such a
> > >sizeable
> > > > number would have problems in marriage. No.
> > > >
> > > > What would happen if such a Mars is placed in own house, its
> > >exaltation
> > > > sign, friendly sign etc. What happens if such a Mars is
>aspected by
> > >Jupiter.
> > > > What happens if such a Mars conjoins Jupiter. What happens if
>the
> > >other
> > > > chart with whom compatibility is being sought also has Mars
>Dosha.
> > > > Therefore, we need not make it a serious thing for others
>because I
> > >have
> > > > seen many parents suffering in India also when their children
> > >become
> > > > marriageable.
> > > >
> > > > In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and
>then
> > >take into
> > > > account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord
> > >and benefic
> > > > aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to
> > >Mars dosha
> > > > would be taken care of.
> > > >
> > > > with best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Manoj
> > > >
> > > >
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Whether it is general or specific or in particular, I am not aware of. But
what I am aware of that Jupiter is a planet of Strict Idealism and has to do
this role, irrespective of its lordship. And this planet of strict Idealism
is placed in My Lagna which happens to be Saggitarius.

regards,

Manoj


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Sanjay wrote,
"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the
person with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has
shown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."
Marriages are decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very common
quote, birth and death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And if
parents are fixed then by astrology we can only choose to find out a already
fixed match for us to whom we are bond to marry , no choice my dear.
In the case of Marry Mars as a natural malefic being lord of a Kendra house
is considered benefic for this ascendant and joining Mercury in 12th house
gives rise to a Rajyoga. But its fruit is to come through 12th house that is
by dejection , displacement, or may be by physical loss. Jupiter a natural
benefic aspecting to this combination has prolonged the relationship, but as
Jupiter is malefic to this ascendant this prolongation has caused loss to
realize your own self , and Jupiter is confused (being retrograde) that is
to whom he should protect , to your self (Venus combust with Sun) or to your
husband . A combust venus and Moon aspected by Saturn is another week points
in your chart.

BUT I SHALL ANSWER Marry AS PER her QUESTIONS,
- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's aspect on Mars ?
(I don't know if Jup aspects beneficially Mars)
Mars is the 7th lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house
(7th)
Mars is also 2th lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice
a
time Kujadosha :-(

Yes your chart still shows the Kujadosha.
- Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on the
Kujadosha ?


I had already answered it above but again as mercury joins Mars gives rise
to a Rajyoga and the aspect of Jupiter on this Mars prolongs the married
life but decrease the strength of Rajyoga and put you to shift or harm or
rise in life only after facing the negative side of life.

I think it will serve the purpose.

With regards to all.

Inder Jit Sahni

Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Anna,
This is not Kuja dosha causing the break in marriage really. With Mars in the
fourth you would want your partner to spend more time at home and this would be
a root cause for start of ay problem. Martian aspect on Capricorn is really not
bad as this is his exaltation house. Sun in seventh indicates that the partner
may have lower morals as the Sun is the second lord and this can cause
problems. Need to see full chart.Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: a.r.
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
Dear Sanjay, Phil.
With Cancer Lagna, Mars in 4th, Jupiter in Pisces in 9th/opposing Lord of 7th
(can that be considered a good sign?), Sun in 7th-I was married once- no
violence, just financial advantage did he have from me, since I wanted to
divorce the easiest possible way-out of court, and to take my son with me. No,
I don't like that living-dead person.. Is this Kuja-dosha.. ? After that
experience I haven't considered marriage. It was a bitter experience, but I
guess all divorces are?Anna
----- Original Message -----
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To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjay Rath
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions

Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Marie,

What Manoj said is the general rule and IS CORRECT. What you faced is a
specific deviation that is not normally listed while giving general rules.
Understand the principle and then the problem goes away.

If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha then the person
with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this has shown that
the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked.

Now coming to the rule of Jupiters aspect. Let me put it like this. Jupiter is
the symbol of peace and protection in the chart whereas Mars is the symbol of
agression and violence. When Jupiter aspects Mars, it controls Mars and compels
it to give up agression and violence and take to the path of peace. To do this
job, Jupiter must be strong and and at least stronger than Mars. Aspect of
Saturn on Mars also removes Kuja dosha.

In your chart, Jupiter is retrograde in Pisces and perhaps in debility or weak
in Navamsa. Jupiter is also the sixth Lord and is unlikely to intervene as much
as it would have done say, when it is the ninth lord. And finally, Jupiter is
the Lord of the sixth house. In any case you are alive and among us today
because Jupiter aspected Mars..

Remedy lies in wearing a Rudraksha of as many faces as the house position of
Jupiter and reciting the Akasha beeja HAM with the name of Hanumanji or Shiva
like HAM Hanumate Namah or HOUM Namah Shivaya. Fasting on Ekadasi is the best
remedy to get over Kuja Dosha as this Tithi is ruled by Mars.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Marie-Christine Sclifet
To: gjlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
le 16/10/01 11:28 (TU +2), via son e-mail <manojpathak (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, ManojPathak
a écrit :> In such cases, the best thing to look for is Bhava Milan and then
take into> account the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord and
benefic> aspect of Jupiter. If these are present, the maleficence due to Mars
dosha> would be taken care of.> Still the benevolence of Jupiter will prevail
irrespective of the rising> sign. Take a test. Whenever Jupiter aspects the 7th
house or the 7th lord,> even if the partners are not having the best of
matrimonial bliss, still> their friends and neighbours would not even come of
know of it. Jupiter> covers it all.> ManojDear all, dear Manoj,It's the first
time I say something on the list. I'm newbye (I don't knowif this word is
correct), and I'm still a student in vedic astrology.I say hello to all of you
:-))Plase forgive my english : I speak french and I'm not used to write
inEnglish ;-(I'm very interested by your conversation abouth Kujadosha :I've
Mars (lord of 2th and 7th) in 12th in Virgo.Jupiter (in 6th, own house, Pisces)
aspects Mars.Mars is associated with Mercury (exalted, lord of 9th & 12th in
12th).My birthdata :August 25 196311h33 am CET (10h33 am GMT)Etterbeek,
Bruxelles, Belgium (50N49' 4E23')Moon and lagna in Libra.Navamsa lagna :
SagittariusMy questions are :- do I still have a Kuja dosha with Jupiter's
aspect on Mars ?(I don't know if Jup aspects benefically Mars)Mars is the 7th
lord, in 12 th :-(, but Mars still aspects its own house(7th)Mars is also 2th
lord, then I have 2th & 7th lord in 12th ! :-(( => twice atime Kujadosha :-(-
Do Mercury and Jupiter have a benefical influence on the 7th, or on
theKujadosha ?For infos :I got married in 1986. After, two chidren, and
after... my husband agressedme in 1994 (very destructively -> my right kidney
exploded -> hole hemorragyblood....)After that, I was separated of him and I
divorced in 2000.I saw in all my partners's charts that they are all "martians"
:- my ex-husband had Moon conjuct Mars in 5th in Aquarius. Sun & Jup in
Leo(aspected by Mars) in 11th. He loved weapons, and liked to conflict...-
After him, I met another man who was Aries lagna (in Rasi & Navamsa). Wedidn't
have conflicts, but we didn't live together.- Now, I am with a men who has Sun
in Aries (4th), Mars in 2th (Kujadoshatoo ?) in Aquarius & vargottama, and his
Navamsa lagna is Aries.What is good between us is bedpleasures (Mars, lord of
7th, in 12th... ;-),but they are still conflicts between us since we live
together.I read in J.Braha's book that :"the person with Kujadosha will be
somehow victimized in his marriage"(that was the case for my ex-husbang, who
agressed me physically, and alsonow, for my actuel partner, who agressed me
too, but psychologycally)and that :"if two personnes have a Kujadosha, they
won't hurt each other."With my last partner (Mars in 2th), is it the case
?J.Braha said also that "when two persons have Kujadosha, they will not
feelmuch physical attraction between each other"That's not the case with my
last partner : there is a lot of attractionbetween us. Do I have to conclude
that he doesn't have Kujadosha in hischart ? (But he has Mars in 2th !)(P.S.
When I was agressed by my ex-husband, I was in Saturn - Mars dasas(Vimshottari
dasa), and Mars is maraka)Hope this will help.P.S. Manoj, you said :> account
the strength of 7th house, 7th lord, 2nd house, 2nd lord...Mars is, in my case,
lord of 2th & 7th. How can I see the strenght of Mars(in Shadbala ?)And... how
to see the strength of houses ?Thanks to all of you for your answers :-))With
my best wishes :-))Marie-ChristineOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna;
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Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Manoj,

I always wondered as to why you wore the Pokhraj in the left hand. We Hindu's
consider this the impure hand and Deva Guru should never be worn there. Perhaps
you can tell me how this helps as i too have Guru in Simhasana in Meena Lagna
and that too in sthira avasta (No motion) . Ithink this position of Jupiter
occus once/twice in 12 years in Pisces and perhaps once/twice in 144 years with
a Pisces lagna as well...Jupiter in Sagittarius is like Indra the King enjoying
power whereas in Piscs the sign of the Maharishi's Guru is engrossed in
learning. There is a difference in the quality and direction.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Manoj Pathak
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
Whether it is general or specific or in particular, I am not aware of. But what
I am aware of that Jupiter is a planet of Strict Idealism and has to do this
role, irrespective of its lordship. And this planet of strict Idealism is
placed in My Lagna which happens to be
Saggitarius.regards,Manoj_________________________ ________________________________________Get
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Om Gurave Namah-----------------------------------------------------------Dear Inder Jit,

OK Lets agree with your point that we marry whom we are bound to marry. Fine So,
i will give you one male horoscope and ten female horoscopes and you have to
tell me which one the male married as the marriage is destined/bound to marry
and you know destiny by say some method.

Do you accept this, if not then by using the standard principles of kuja Dosha
etc taught in the texts we can choose the right partner and then after they
marry you can say that they are husband and wife for seven lives and so
on...And even then sometimes the best of astrologers make a mistake.
Best WishesSanjay Rath
----- Original Message ----- From: Inder Jit Sahni
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] Kuja Dosha exceptions
Sanjay wrote,"If a person with kuja dosha marries another without Kuja dosha
then theperson with Kuja dosha shall suffer. So, you suffered a lot and this
hasshown that the Kuja dosha was present and that it worked."Marriages are
decided in heaven and are celebrated on earth is a very commonquote, birth and
death are fixed and so fixed are our parents. And ifparents are fixed then by
astrology we can only choose to find out a alreadyfixed match for us to whom we
are bond to marry , no choice my dear.