Dear friend

The simple fact exchange of houses of Saturn
and Venus in Navamsa indicates the following things

(i) The person or his spouse is very much
artistically inclined if venus is strong in navamsa or
Saturn in in Libra

(ii)The persons married life may have many ups
and downs if these planets/ 7th house lord etc./ also
weak and afflicted.

It is better to take a holistic view of all
the factors.

M.Tripathy

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Dear Christopher

I'm enjoying our chat about this chart. Your ideas and style are
similar to the very man who sent me to this group, Richard Houck, who
was sick of me emailing him to waffle on about some point of
interpretation.

Firstly the bit about Saturn with second lord Sun showing abandonment
by the Mother. This sounds simplistic until you see the Moon is in
the nakshatra of Venus and of course Venus is 4th lord in the 12th
with Mars in the nakshatra of Rahu. Mars and Mercury are in
parivartana which is extremely important as 10th lord of career goes
into the 12th of foreign countries and the 12th lord goes into the
10th. Mercury is the depositor of Mars and Venus and also the lord of
the 3rd of mental outlook and desires. I hope this clarifies that
point. Saturn is in tight square to Moon, natural enemies in kendra
to each other have strong aspect. Seventh lord is enemy and in hard
aspect to lagna lord. I stand by my statement of a few weeks ago that
Cancerian women in particular do better with older partners.

As to my chart, Mars in the lagna is a very harsh position especially
for a man. All the old book traits are correct for me. I was a heavy
drinker, I swear a lot, I have a bad temper, I am hostile to my
Mother, I have been in fights, have scars all over my face, have had
guns pulled on me, have been hit with an iron bar across the head,
had my left eye almost gouged out in a fight (Saturn, Ketu in the
12th), run over by a motorbike and hit by a car, arrested many times
and locked up by the police. I haven't even had my Mars dasha yet!!

My best mate was also born in Kumbha with Mars in the lagna and he's
the same!! He was stabbed a few years ago and locked up in Thailand a
few weeks ago for bashing an English soccer hooligan senseless. We
did karate together for years and are both very good at the old
fisticuffs. My Mars and Mercury gives me tremendous hand speed and co-
ordination. We both are of Irish decent and have the old Irish
temper. My mates Mars also aspects his Moon and Mercury as Mercury is
in his 4th house and Moon in the 8th house. (Yes, his Mother died
early.) Mars in the lagna attracts violence and accidents. I never
look for trouble it just seems to find me.

Jupiter in the lagna makes me benevolent and friendly and bloody
lucky. I've crawled out of some nasty situations. Getting back to
more serious issues I would like your thoughts on the chart we have
been studying in relationship to me. Our nodes are in exchange and
her lagna lord falls in my 7th house and my lagna lord falls in her
7th house, Moons share the same rashi and are in vasiya signs in the
navamsha. More importantly her yoni is the female rat and I am the
male Rat. My old Pundit says as the Rat has no friends, if a male rat
comes in contact with a girl who's Moon falls in the yoni of the
female rat, he will never ever forget that women. This unfortunately
is true and I always think about her. This yoni kuta and vasiya kuta
is very strong and I have verified it in other charts. I've also
found women who are born in a rakshasa nakshatra (Moon) can be a bit
fiesty too. I'm naturally enough born in one myself. My old Pundit
says you should reject a marriage if the yonis are enemy animals as
this shows no sexual compatibilty. I am yet to find this incorrect in
one case.

My Thai nephew called from Thailand only one hour ago to say he was
marrying a Japanese girl this week. A quick look at their charts show
his Moon yoni is male buffalo and hers is female buffalo. As her Moon
and Jupiter falls in his lagna and a few other good aspects I feel
they are a good pair. However, no matter the good aspects his chart
has Saturn in the 7th in mutual aspect to Mars in the 4th house, 7th
lord is in the 12th house. (Virgo lagna). These powerful aspects in
his chart would have me reccommending they don't get legally married
but just stay together. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong. Many
people call me and email me about their charts, I would say 80-90%
are about marriage or relationships so I am going to post a few of my
ideas about marriage, sex and matching charts in the next few days to
hear what others think. It is good to discuss these things without
egos or money getting in the way.

regards Skinbags

--- In gjlist (AT) egroups (DOT) com, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:
> Hey Skinbags:
>
> At 12:24 PM 8/24/00 -0000, you wrote:
> >Dear Christopher
> >
> >I'm enjoying our chat about this chart. Your ideas and style are
> >similar to the very man who sent me to this group, Richard Houck,
who
> >was sick of me emailing him to waffle on about some point of
> >interpretation.
>
> Me too. I guess I shouldn't be surprised; Houck has influenced me
more
> than anyone else. But I didn't think I was turning into some sort
of
> replicant...:-)
>
I wish I knew what a tertiary progression was and then maybe I
would understand more about his methods.
> >
> >Firstly the bit about Saturn with second lord Sun showing
abandonment
> >by the Mother. This sounds simplistic until you see the Moon is in
> >the nakshatra of Venus and of course Venus is 4th lord in the 12th
> >with Mars in the nakshatra of Rahu.
>
> OK, sounds good.
>
> Mars and Mercury are in
> >parivartana which is extremely important as 10th lord of career
goes
> >into the 12th of foreign countries and the 12th lord goes into the
> >10th. Mercury is the depositor of Mars and Venus and also the lord
of
> >the 3rd of mental outlook and desires. I hope this clarifies that
> >point.
>
> Sure, 10/12 MR for overseas work. But I dont' get where you're
going with
> Mercury and 3rd?
>
Mercury is the lord of the 12th house of bedroom for the mother
situated in the 7th house from the 4th in exchange with Mars. Make
sense?
>
Saturn is in tight square to Moon, natural enemies in kendra
> >to each other have strong aspect. Seventh lord is enemy and in
hard
> >aspect to lagna lord. I stand by my statement of a few weeks ago
that
> >Cancerian women in particular do better with older partners.
> >
> >As to my chart, Mars in the lagna is a very harsh position
especially
> >for a man. All the old book traits are correct for me. I was a
heavy
> >drinker, I swear a lot, I have a bad temper, I am hostile to my
> >Mother, I have been in fights, have scars all over my face, have
had
> >guns pulled on me, have been hit with an iron bar across the head,
> >had my left eye almost gouged out in a fight (Saturn, Ketu in the
> >12th), run over by a motorbike and hit by a car, arrested many
times
> >and locked up by the police. I haven't even had my Mars dasha yet!!
>
> Owing to its close conjunction with Mercury, I would think Mercury's
> periods would be Martian.
>
All my periods have been ok except for Venus periods. Venus is ava
yogi

> >
> >My best mate was also born in Kumbha with Mars in the lagna and
he's
> >the same!! He was stabbed a few years ago and locked up in
Thailand a
> >few weeks ago for bashing an English soccer hooligan senseless. We
> >did karate together for years and are both very good at the old
> >fisticuffs. My Mars and Mercury gives me tremendous hand speed and
co-
> >ordination. We both are of Irish decent and have the old Irish
> >temper. My mates Mars also aspects his Moon and Mercury as Mercury
is
> >in his 4th house and Moon in the 8th house. (Yes, his Mother died
> >early.) Mars in the lagna attracts violence and accidents. I never
> >look for trouble it just seems to find me.
> >
> >Jupiter in the lagna makes me benevolent and friendly and bloody
> >lucky. I've crawled out of some nasty situations. Getting back to
> >more serious issues I would like your thoughts on the chart we
have
> >been studying in relationship to me. Our nodes are in exchange and
> >her lagna lord falls in my 7th house and my lagna lord falls in
her
> >7th house,
>
> This is good. To see something really amazing, compare (using
exact degree
> positions, please) your navamsha chart with her rashi (since her
TOB is not
> exact, her navamsha may not be useful at this point) Definitely
something
> going on there!
>
This is why I asked you about this chart this is the one girl I
have been totallly obssessed with for years. I usually love 'em and
leave 'em. She is my Kali, the women I can't have.
>
Moons share the same rashi and are in vasiya signs in the
> >navamsha. More importantly her yoni is the female rat and I am the
> >male Rat.
>
> How is the yoni calculated? Is it based on nakshatras as well? I
haven't
>
Give me time I will give some examples.

found all this standard vedic compatibility stuff to be very useful.
Here
> I'm referring to yoni, vasya, dina, gana, etc. I rely more on
house/planet
> aspects esp 1/7. I would welcome some illustrative examples from
you or
> anyone else that showed if this stuff works. Too often, I find
people head
> over heels with each other with 50% or less compatibility scores
(according
> to GJ) and "0" or "1" on the yoni count. Conversely, people who
ought to
> be interested in each other (over 80%) may be friends but that's
it. Sounds
> like this area is ripe for some hard research.
>
I've done a bit myself, some points like Gana, Yoni, Vasiya should
not be overlooked. They can be very revealing.
>
My old Pundit says as the Rat has no friends, if a male rat
> >comes in contact with a girl who's Moon falls in the yoni of the
> >female rat, he will never ever forget that women. This
unfortunately
> >is true and I always think about her.
>
> Ah, you poor fellow. Cursed by love!
>
I have exalted Venus with 7th lord Sun. I have had an exalted sex
life. When I talk about these things believe me I have road tested my
theories on the job. I will put a a posting on Mars and Venus
conjunction one dat as I have had close contact with a number of
girls with this conjunction.
>
This yoni kuta and vasiya kuta
> >is very strong and I have verified it in other charts. I've also
> >found women who are born in a rakshasa nakshatra (Moon) can be a
bit
> >fiesty too. I'm naturally enough born in one myself. My old Pundit
> >says you should reject a marriage if the yonis are enemy animals
as
> >this shows no sexual compatibilty. I am yet to find this incorrect
in
> >one case.
>
> Again, maybe you could elaborate this yoni principle for me. Who
is an
> enemy animal of whom?
>
The cops raided my house and confiscated my scanner last year so I
may have to write it up and post it or you can by B.V Ramans
book "Muhurta" which has all the tables in it, its very cheap.
> >
> >My Thai nephew called from Thailand only one hour ago to say he
was
> >marrying a Japanese girl this week. A quick look at their charts
show
> >his Moon yoni is male buffalo and hers is female buffalo. As her
Moon
> >and Jupiter falls in his lagna and a few other good aspects I feel
> >they are a good pair. However, no matter the good aspects his
chart
> >has Saturn in the 7th in mutual aspect to Mars in the 4th house,
7th
> >lord is in the 12th house. (Virgo lagna). These powerful aspects
in
> >his chart would have me reccommending they don't get legally
married
> >but just stay together.
>
> But what are the aspects to her chart?
>
> Time will tell if I'm right or wrong. Many
> >people call me and email me about their charts, I would say 80-90%
> >are about marriage or relationships so I am going to post a few of
my
> >ideas about marriage, sex and matching charts in the next few days
to
> >hear what others think.
>
> Go for it.
>
> Chris
>
> ps What about the TOB issue for this Nakhon Sawan native and are
there any
> timed events in her life to assist with rectification?

She actually works for me part time so I'll ask her tonight for
some details.

At 03:21 AM 8/25/00 -0000, you wrote:
>--- In gjlist (AT) egroups (DOT) com, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:
>> Hey Skinbags:
>>
>> At 12:24 PM 8/24/00 -0000, you wrote:
>> >Dear Christopher
>> >
>> >I'm enjoying our chat about this chart. Your ideas and style are
>> >similar to the very man who sent me to this group, Richard Houck,
>who
>> >was sick of me emailing him to waffle on about some point of
>> >interpretation.
>>
>> Me too. I guess I shouldn't be surprised; Houck has influenced me
>more
>> than anyone else. But I didn't think I was turning into some sort
>of
>> replicant...:-)
>>
> I wish I knew what a tertiary progression was and then maybe I
>would understand more about his methods.

It's analagous to secondary progression only using lunar months as a base
instead of years. So if secondary progressions have each day of life equal
to one year, tertiary progressions(P3) have each day equal to a lunar
month, about 27.3 days. So a 27 year-old has his P3 angles move back to
their natal positions. The more important thing is to find the right
software to calculate them. They cannot be done by hand (at least by mere
mortals that we are.) Solarfire does them well, as does Winstar. GJ might
in later versions but I doubt it. I don't think any vedic programme does
them. I own Shri jyoti Star which does tertiaries but they are calculated
differently from Houck's as they use the naibod position of Sun rather than
solar arc as basis of the angular progression. And that is the key to
tertiaries, the rate of angular progression. Even though I'm a Houck
sishya, so to speak, I'm not absolutely devoted to the tertiarties. One
problem with them is that they are dependent on location. If the native
moves from the birthplace, one must then have two sets of tertiaries to
juggle as the angles change. Both may be applicable in reading events.

>> >
>> >Firstly the bit about Saturn with second lord Sun showing
>abandonment
>> >by the Mother. This sounds simplistic until you see the Moon is in
>> >the nakshatra of Venus and of course Venus is 4th lord in the 12th
>> >with Mars in the nakshatra of Rahu.
>>
>> OK, sounds good.
>>
>> Mars and Mercury are in
>> >parivartana which is extremely important as 10th lord of career
>goes
>> >into the 12th of foreign countries and the 12th lord goes into the
>> >10th. Mercury is the depositor of Mars and Venus and also the lord
>of
>> >the 3rd of mental outlook and desires. I hope this clarifies that
>> >point.
>>
>> Sure, 10/12 MR for overseas work. But I dont' get where you're
>going with
>> Mercury and 3rd?
>>
> Mercury is the lord of the 12th house of bedroom for the mother
>situated in the 7th house from the 4th in exchange with Mars. Make
>sense?
>>
> Saturn is in tight square to Moon, natural enemies in kendra
>> >to each other have strong aspect. Seventh lord is enemy and in
>hard
>> >aspect to lagna lord. I stand by my statement of a few weeks ago
>that
>> >Cancerian women in particular do better with older partners.
>> >
>> >As to my chart, Mars in the lagna is a very harsh position
>especially
>> >for a man. All the old book traits are correct for me. I was a
>heavy
>> >drinker, I swear a lot, I have a bad temper, I am hostile to my
>> >Mother, I have been in fights, have scars all over my face, have
>had
>> >guns pulled on me, have been hit with an iron bar across the head,
>> >had my left eye almost gouged out in a fight (Saturn, Ketu in the
>> >12th), run over by a motorbike and hit by a car, arrested many
>times
>> >and locked up by the police. I haven't even had my Mars dasha yet!!
>>
>> Owing to its close conjunction with Mercury, I would think Mercury's
>> periods would be Martian.
>>
> All my periods have been ok except for Venus periods. Venus is ava
>yogi

So Venus periods have been violent? Ava yogi point is used for wealth
determination, no?


>
>> >
>> >My best mate was also born in Kumbha with Mars in the lagna and
>he's
>> >the same!! He was stabbed a few years ago and locked up in
>Thailand a
>> >few weeks ago for bashing an English soccer hooligan senseless. We
>> >did karate together for years and are both very good at the old
>> >fisticuffs. My Mars and Mercury gives me tremendous hand speed and
>co-
>> >ordination. We both are of Irish decent and have the old Irish
>> >temper. My mates Mars also aspects his Moon and Mercury as Mercury
>is
>> >in his 4th house and Moon in the 8th house. (Yes, his Mother died
>> >early.) Mars in the lagna attracts violence and accidents. I never
>> >look for trouble it just seems to find me.
>> >
>> >Jupiter in the lagna makes me benevolent and friendly and bloody
>> >lucky. I've crawled out of some nasty situations. Getting back to
>> >more serious issues I would like your thoughts on the chart we
>have
>> >been studying in relationship to me. Our nodes are in exchange and
>> >her lagna lord falls in my 7th house and my lagna lord falls in
>her
>> >7th house,
>>
>> This is good. To see something really amazing, compare (using
>exact degree
>> positions, please) your navamsha chart with her rashi (since her
>TOB is not
>> exact, her navamsha may not be useful at this point) Definitely
>something
>> going on there!
>>
> This is why I asked you about this chart this is the one girl I
>have been totallly obssessed with for years. I usually love 'em and
>leave 'em. She is my Kali, the women I can't have.
>>
> Moons share the same rashi and are in vasiya signs in the
>> >navamsha. More importantly her yoni is the female rat and I am the
>> >male Rat.
>>
>> How is the yoni calculated? Is it based on nakshatras as well? I
>haven't
>>
> Give me time I will give some examples.
>
>found all this standard vedic compatibility stuff to be very useful.
>Here
>> I'm referring to yoni, vasya, dina, gana, etc. I rely more on
>house/planet
>> aspects esp 1/7. I would welcome some illustrative examples from
>you or
>> anyone else that showed if this stuff works. Too often, I find
>people head
>> over heels with each other with 50% or less compatibility scores
>(according
>> to GJ) and "0" or "1" on the yoni count. Conversely, people who
>ought to
>> be interested in each other (over 80%) may be friends but that's
>it. Sounds
>> like this area is ripe for some hard research.
>>
> I've done a bit myself, some points like Gana, Yoni, Vasiya should
>not be overlooked. They can be very revealing.
>>
> My old Pundit says as the Rat has no friends, if a male rat
>> >comes in contact with a girl who's Moon falls in the yoni of the
>> >female rat, he will never ever forget that women. This
>unfortunately
>> >is true and I always think about her.
>>
>> Ah, you poor fellow. Cursed by love!
>>
> I have exalted Venus with 7th lord Sun. I have had an exalted sex
>life. When I talk about these things believe me I have road tested my
>theories on the job. I will put a a posting on Mars and Venus
>conjunction one dat as I have had close contact with a number of
>girls with this conjunction.


Good to hear the "standard stuff" works so well.


>>
>This yoni kuta and vasiya kuta
>> >is very strong and I have verified it in other charts. I've also
>> >found women who are born in a rakshasa nakshatra (Moon) can be a
>bit
>> >fiesty too. I'm naturally enough born in one myself. My old Pundit
>> >says you should reject a marriage if the yonis are enemy animals
>as
>> >this shows no sexual compatibilty. I am yet to find this incorrect
>in
>> >one case.
>>
>> Again, maybe you could elaborate this yoni principle for me. Who
>is an
>> enemy animal of whom?
>>
> The cops raided my house and confiscated my scanner last year so I
>may have to write it up and post it or you can by B.V Ramans
>book "Muhurta" which has all the tables in it, its very cheap.

Yeah, I have a copy, but no scanner. Lots of goodies in it. When he refers
to the girl's "birth star", does he mean ascendant nakshatra or Moon
nakshatra? I have seen both used as the general indicator of personality, etc.

Chris




>> >
>> >My Thai nephew called from Thailand only one hour ago to say he
>was
>> >marrying a Japanese girl this week. A quick look at their charts
>show
>> >his Moon yoni is male buffalo and hers is female buffalo. As her
>Moon
>> >and Jupiter falls in his lagna and a few other good aspects I feel
>> >they are a good pair. However, no matter the good aspects his
>chart
>> >has Saturn in the 7th in mutual aspect to Mars in the 4th house,
>7th
>> >lord is in the 12th house. (Virgo lagna). These powerful aspects
>in
>> >his chart would have me reccommending they don't get legally
>married
>> >but just stay together.
>>
>> But what are the aspects to her chart?
>>
>> Time will tell if I'm right or wrong. Many
>> >people call me and email me about their charts, I would say 80-90%
>> >are about marriage or relationships so I am going to post a few of
>my
>> >ideas about marriage, sex and matching charts in the next few days
>to
>> >hear what others think.
>>
>> Go for it.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ps What about the TOB issue for this Nakhon Sawan native and are
>there any
>> timed events in her life to assist with rectification?
>
> She actually works for me part time so I'll ask her tonight for
>some details.
>
>
>
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Skinbags/Chris,

Hopefully not coming across as prying into your personal matters but was
this something that could have been astrologically (foreknown) foretold in
your case?

Thanks

MK



>From: Christopher Kevill <ckevill@...>

Skinbags wrote:

> The cops raided my house and confiscated my scanner last year so I
> >may have to write it up and post it or you can by B.V Ramans
> >book "Muhurta" which has all the tables in it, its very cheap.
>

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