Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah

Dear devotees,
Jai Sri Krishna.

I have one issue which i am keen to have some knowledge about. In
Our dharma Sri Bhagavan and his associates periodicaly take form in
the material world for the uplift of Jivas. One unfortunate feature
of this beleif is that many wicked jivas take advantage of this
belief and claim themselves as God, some examples include King
Paundaraka in the Dwarapara Yuga (who claimed to be the real
krishna) and Puttarpathi saibaba in this yuga.

Our shastras fortunalty provide validification of The avatars so
that we cannot be fooled. As we know by reading the shastras we have
no doubt that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna are the Supreme lord himself.
Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide according to
shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras and authority
provide us with the information that Sri Andal and Sri Ramanuja are
Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively. From what i have
learned from their life events, is that both were very humble and
never claimed to be anything other than servants of the lord. I
cannot recall a time when Sri Andal or Guru Ramanuja displayed their
divine personalities. So how do we know of there true identities???

Swamins,

Ramanuja was not a simple servant of God.If he was simple ,how can he convert the Big empire of Emperor Pittideva to embrace Srivaishnavism?How such Big Thondanur tank (Which exists even now) ,and temples in Melkote
had come up?One should not forget his efforts at tirupathi,kanchipuram and finally at Srirangam which still follow the same procedure till today laid down by this Great one!

There is no proof required for great ones.It is absolutely our faith.

Please excuse and pardon me for some mistakes I may have committed
in these comments which I have made in this scribbling
Dasan
Kesavan.





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Faith is ok but I believe the following proof is enough:

Sri Anbil Ramaswamy writes in 'Hinduism Rediscovered' that

1) in the Yadavaachala Mahatmyam it is said that
- Anantah Prathamam Roopam
Lakshamanascha tathah parah
Balabadram Thritheeyasthu
Kalou Kaschit Bhavishyathi

where 'kaschit' is in regard to Sri Ramanuja.

2) In Vriddha Padma Purana it is said that 'Vishnu' himself incarnates in
Kaliyuga to ward off evils and ashastra.

In the book 'Life of Sri Ramanuja' (Ramakrishna Mission) it is said that in
the below puranas the birth of Sri Ramanuja being the avatara purusha is
provided:
Brihad Padma Purana
Skanda Purana
Narada Purana
Divyasuristotra
Bhagavatha

3) In Yathiraja Saptadhi Sri Vedantha Desika calls Ramanuja as 'Lakshmana
Muni'.

Also, it is said that the Birth and the zodiac sign of Soumitri(Lakshmana)
is same as that of Ramanuja.

Another proof is that of Ramanuja's polemic debate with thousands of Jains
somewhere in Karnataka where he was in his mula roopa (that of thousand
hooded Anantha) answers all Jains at one shot behind the screen.

4) It is also said that When Nammalwar in a pensive mood thinking that not
enough was done to ward off unvedic philosophy in the world, Lord has told
him that there will be a mahatma who incarnates to ward off ashastra/unvedic
philosophies and to propogate vaishnavism across the world. This I believe
is quoted in Sri Nammalwar's Thiruvoimozhi.

4) The Iraamaanusa nooRRanthAthi dwells on his greatness as given to us by
Sri Madhava Kannan now. It is no exaggeration but very apt to regard him as
Vishnu incarnate. 'Ramanuja' the name itself is enough to purify ones mind
with all samsaric illness. Just a preliminary knowledge about Him reveals
how he is endowed with mercy/karuna, divinity, wisdom with utmost humility
shown even towards his enemies, let alone his disciples will make one wonder
in amazement which is very difficult to comprehend let alone emulate.

5) The sannnidhana vishesha of Vishnu in Ramanuja is significant in
propogating the Sri Vaishnava Siddhantha during a time when the world
witnesses various unvedic philosophies and with a band of 74 disciplies and
thousand other followers he had walked across India and installed various
vaishnava mutts to cater to vedic idealism and vaishnavism. His works (9 in
all) speaks for itself and one should immerse in this ocean by the grace of
acharya to get liberated. The siddhantha thus is called 'Ramanuja
Darshana'.


Finally, I would think it is worth the effort if we go on searching for
truth and get to know Acharyas and their lifestyle rather than seek answers
in this list. In fact, searching this list itself will give out volume of
information on Ramanuja. Acquire aforementioned books and other relevant
books authored by Srivaishnava Diggajas and try and get to know about
Ramanuja as it is very essential and it will be a pleasure trip in our
spiritual journey. Later, when we dwell/swim in his tattvasagara when
confroted with doubts it is best to seek truth from scholars. Till then, we
need to put in our honest efforts.


regards
sukumar


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Swamins,

Ramanuja was not a simple servant of God.If he was simple ,how can he
convert the Big empire of Emperor Pittideva to embrace Srivaishnavism?How
such Big Thondanur tank (Which exists even now) ,and temples in Melkote
had come up?One should not forget his efforts at tirupathi,kanchipuram and
finally at Srirangam which still follow the same procedure till today laid
down by this Great one!

There is no proof required for great ones.It is absolutely our faith.

Please excuse and pardon me for some mistakes I may have committed
in these comments which I have made in this scribbling
Dasan
Kesavan.





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