Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is
inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.
Is it true?

Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is
always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the
first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam
Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very
auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is
indicating destruction of the world or the death of a
person. One should always remember that this world
will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must
know that death is inevitable for the body and for the
body relationships. The old person must be aware of
the death that is going to come shortly and must
become spiritually alert. Even the young man must
think about untimely accidental death and that there
is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers
the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.
The human being is not turned to spirituality because
he thinks that he will live forever or live for a
very long time. He should constantly remind his mind
about the death and thus should become spiritually
active. Generally people think that death is
inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that
gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the
body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual
effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should
constantly remember death as if it is walking by our
side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears
inauspicious externally. But internally He is the
embodiment of the divine knowledge and most
auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.
Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas
gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada
was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by
donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned
towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite
and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses
Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of
Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted
towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord
punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice
also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules
of justice to protect His real devotee due to the
Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in
this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of
prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in
Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if
the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not
leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.
At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,
Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of
Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on
Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced
him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of
firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due
to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in
the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is
called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the
association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of
different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic
bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate
coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded
Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha
Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to
differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to
differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,
Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.



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Dear Moderator Swamy,
Daily I use to delete this mail without
opening. Today by mistake I have opened
seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam.
Why do you allow such immatured and
anti Vaishnava write ups in this group.
Why don't you stop such time wasting
mails.
Sri Ramanuja Dasan,
R. Padmanabhan,
Branch Accountant,
Fenner (India) Ltd.,
9-1-87, S.D. Road,
Secunderabad.
A.P.
Tel: 040 27703042; 040 27804038
Cell: 040 31109751
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Email: padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is
inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.
Is it true?
Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is
always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the
first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam
Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very
auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is
indicating destruction of the world or the death of a
person. One should always remember that this world
will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must
know that death is inevitable for the body and for the
body relationships. The old person must be aware of
the death that is going to come shortly and must
become spiritually alert. Even the young man must
think about untimely accidental death and that there
is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers
the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.
The human being is not turned to spirituality because
he thinks that he will live forever or live for a
very long time. He should constantly remind his mind
about the death and thus should become spiritually
active. Generally people think that death is
inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that
gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the
body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual
effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should
constantly remember death as if it is walking by our
side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears
inauspicious externally. But internally He is the
embodiment of the divine knowledge and most
auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.
Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas
gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada
was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by
donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned
towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite
and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses
Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of
Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted
towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord
punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice
also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules
of justice to protect His real devotee due to the
Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in
this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of
prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in
Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if
the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not
leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.
At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,
Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of
Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on
Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced
him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of
firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due
to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in
the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is
called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the
association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of
different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic
bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate
coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded
Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha
Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to
differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to
differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,
Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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SrI:

The same is the case with many SrIvaishnavas. I doubt whether this group has any
moderator. The group name lured me to join. I would like to leave now.

The writer (could be the so called svamiji himself) has so many lists to publish
such articles other than SrIvaishnava lists. I know that many lists ban these
articles.

adiyen.
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Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
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time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan,Branch Accountant,Fenner
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He isalways auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of aperson. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware ofthe death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mindabout the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritualeffort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunterwho is the
embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even
Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a
devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the
word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and
he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the
justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rulesof justice to
protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected
Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to
Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord
even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful
wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on
the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.
But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord
Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in
the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva
is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,
Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamasrespectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separatecoloured shirts.
If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same
(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations
i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Dear Moderator Swamy,
Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by mistake I have opened
seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such immatured and anti
Vaishnava write ups in this group.
Why don't you stop such time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan,
Branch Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel:
040 27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is
always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru who gives divine
knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be veryauspicious
in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction of the world or the
death of a
person. One should always remember that this worldwill be destroyed and is not
eternal. By this you mustknow that death is inevitable for the body and for
thebody relationships. The old person must be aware of
the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually alert. Even
the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that thereis no
guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers
the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.The human being is not
turned to spirituality becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for
avery long time. He should constantly remind his mind
about the death and thus should become spirituallyactive. Generally people think
that death isinauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru thatgives
knowledge about the temporary existence of thebody and makes the human being
alert in the spiritual
effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if
it is walking by ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also
appearsinauspicious externally. But internally He is the
embodiment of the divine knowledge and mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the
quality of Tamas.Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamasgives
rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality
only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses
Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam
quality was divertedtowards the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished
him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord
crosses the rules
of justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in
Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is
like the drunkard notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that
stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,
Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality. But he was
not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forcedhim
to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of
firmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is
not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate
coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says
the same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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SrI:

Dear SrI Shankar,

I would like you you to go thro' the original posting of Gayathry:

""Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even ifthe
Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful wine and the
harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas
is required."""

and some other quotations in this series of Q/A are really abhattams (we are not
talking about worshipping alone, here)

Vaidikas would like to have pramanams from vedas (and prastana trayams - which
are also based on vedas). Also, the examples shall be handled and quoted very
carefully.

Also, we should know the lineage of those who claim to be 'svamijis' etc, whom
we see plenty nowadays. If one man jumps from somewhere without any connection
(Acharya-lineage) to the pratama-Acharya (Sriman Narayana), we denounce them
too.

Hope you see this from other angle too. (I would like you to visit the site
mentioned by Gayathry, wherein you'll see more abhatthams)

-dAsan


From: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
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Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter who is the
embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even
Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a
devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the
word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and
he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the
justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of justice to
protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected
Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to
Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord
even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful
wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on
the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.
But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord
Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in
the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva
is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,
Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is
not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energeticbodies
of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured shirts. If you scold
Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same
(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations
i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Yes I agree,
The information written in the mail
is not even having the weight to read and comment.
"EduthuKKazhikkavum Thagathathu",
That is why I have recommended the moderator
to stop such mails.
Sri Ramanuja Dasan,
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Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A.
This shows that your Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is
good to have one pointed devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing
there is no place in your heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham.
Meaning of Vaishnava is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians
and muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not
hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and
feels another?s calamities as his own.
Ever ready to serve, he never boasts.
Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.
Blessed is the mother of such a person.
He treats women as he would treat his own mother
He keeps his mind calm and
does not stain his lips with falsehood;
Nor does he touch another?s wealth.
No bonds of attachment can hold him.
Ever in tune with Rama-nama (name of God),
within his body is present all places of piligrimage.
Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,
This is a true Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is
rubbish. This shows your immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good
Vaishnavite.
Shankar
THIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.
On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com>
wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy,
Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by mistake I have
opened
seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam.
Why do you allow such immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group.
Why don't you stop such time wasting mails.
Sri Ramanuja Dasan,
R. Padmanabhan,
Branch Accountant,
Fenner (India) Ltd.,
9-1-87, S.D. Road,
Secunderabad.
A.P.
Tel: 040 27703042; 040 27804038
Cell: 040 31109751
Fax: 040 27703770
Email: padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is
inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.
Is it true?
Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is
always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the
first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam
Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very
auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is
indicating destruction of the world or the death of a
person. One should always remember that this world
will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must
know that death is inevitable for the body and for the
body relationships. The old person must be aware of
the death that is going to come shortly and must
become spiritually alert. Even the young man must
think about untimely accidental death and that there
is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers
the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.
The human being is not turned to spirituality because
he thinks that he will live forever or live for a
very long time. He should constantly remind his mind
about the death and thus should become spiritually
active. Generally people think that death is
inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that
gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the
body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual
effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should
constantly remember death as if it is walking by our
side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears
inauspicious externally. But internally He is the
embodiment of the divine knowledge and most
auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.
Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas
gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada
was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by
donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned
towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite
and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses
Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of
Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted
towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord
punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice
also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules
of justice to protect His real devotee due to the
Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in
this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of
prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in
Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if
the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not
leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.
At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,
Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of
Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on
Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced
him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of
firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due
to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in
the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is
called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the
association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of
different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic
bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate
coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded
Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha
Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to
differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to
differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,
Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Hello,
It is written that
Sri Vishnu has Rajo Gunam, Thridarashran had Sathva Gunam,
Uthishtran & Prahlathan
had Thamogumam, You may not hesitate to say Chaguni,
Thuchadanan, Duryothanan
are also had Sathva Gunam.etc., etc.,
Here we never talk
about anybody's worship.
"Veda says the same (Brahmacha
Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah)." - your own write up.
-Its real meaning is that Brahma, Siva
all are under Sriman Narayana,
They do their work as per the instructions
of Him. There is
no body above Sriman Narayana.
Thirumazhisai Azhwar says "Naan
muganai Naaryanan Padaithan,
Naan muganum Thaanmugamai Sankaranai
thaan padaithan".
Veda Says "Eho havai Narayana Aaseeth,
Na Brahma, Na Eesanaha"
Sri Veda Vyasa Bhagavan says "Sathyam
Sathyam Punaha Sathyam
Mudrujya Bhuja Muchyathe, Vedasasthram
param naasthi
nadaivam Kesavathparam"
Hence there is nothing wrong in our belief.
We have more tolerance, that is why we
are simply advising you to
stop such writings.
Everything and everybody has got a path
followed by thier elders and we also follow the same.
"MElayar Seivanagal" as advised
by Sri Aandal,
"Poorvacharyargal POdumanuttanangal"
as per Sri Math Manavala Mamunigal.
It is a forum, where like minded people
are involved and the idendity is given as
"Divya Desam Group."
If this group doesn't like such write
ups better you stop it, no more arguments.
It
looks like that tomorrow you may send some obseen pictures and ask us to
see those pictures,
with patience,
and advise us to "Be a good Vaishnava!!."
You may say "It
is also like the Divya Desam pictures sent by Sri Padmanabhan Swamy and

others".
"you need to have broad mind, matured mind etc., etc.,".
Desist from
advising us how we need to be a good vaishnavite.!
Sri Ramanuja Dasan,
R. Padmanabhan,
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Fenner (India) Ltd.,
9-1-87, S.D. Road,
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Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved
into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of
GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
Madhura
Shankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A.
This shows that your Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is
good to have one pointed devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing
there is no place in your heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham.
Meaning of Vaishnava is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians
and muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not
hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and
feels another?s calamities as his own.
Ever ready to serve, he never boasts.
Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.
Blessed is the mother of such a person.
He treats women as he would treat his own mother
He keeps his mind calm and
does not stain his lips with falsehood;
Nor does he touch another?s wealth.
No bonds of attachment can hold him.
Ever in tune with Rama-nama (name of God),
within his body is present all places of piligrimage.
Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,
This is a true Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is
rubbish. This shows your immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good
Vaishnavite.
Shankar
THIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.
On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com>
wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy,
Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by mistake I have
opened
seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam.
Why do you allow such immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group.
Why don't you stop such time wasting mails.
Sri Ramanuja Dasan,
R. Padmanabhan,
Branch Accountant,
Fenner (India) Ltd.,
9-1-87, S.D. Road,
Secunderabad.
A.P.
Tel: 040 27703042; 040 27804038
Cell: 040 31109751
Fax: 040 27703770
Email: padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
Gayathry <agayathry (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
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Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is
inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.
Is it true?
Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is
always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the
first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam
Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very
auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is
indicating destruction of the world or the death of a
person. One should always remember that this world
will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must
know that death is inevitable for the body and for the
body relationships. The old person must be aware of
the death that is going to come shortly and must
become spiritually alert. Even the young man must
think about untimely accidental death and that there
is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers
the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.
The human being is not turned to spirituality because
he thinks that he will live forever or live for a
very long time. He should constantly remind his mind
about the death and thus should become spiritually
active. Generally people think that death is
inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that
gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the
body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual
effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should
constantly remember death as if it is walking by our
side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears
inauspicious externally. But internally He is the
embodiment of the divine knowledge and most
auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.
Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas
gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada
was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by
donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned
towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite
and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses
Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of
Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted
towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord
punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice
also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules
of justice to protect His real devotee due to the
Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in
this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of
prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in
Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if
the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not
leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.
At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,
Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of
Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on
Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced
him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of
firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due
to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in
the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is
called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the
association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of
different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic
bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate
coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded
Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha
Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to
differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to
differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,
Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter who is the
embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even
Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a
devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the
word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and
he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the
justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of justice to
protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected
Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to
Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord
even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful
wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on
the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.
But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord
Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in
the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva
is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,
Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is
not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energeticbodies
of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured shirts. If you scold
Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same
(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations
i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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it is not the first time that we such articles...inspite of repeated messages
that only sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be propagated, others just
cast a dark shadow. I request the other cultures to stop sending mails to this
site in good faith and also with due respects to their sects. will the
concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the site without any
grievances.....

rajaramanSrihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Dear Shri Shankaran,

I am talking of Anti-Sri vAishNavism and not otherwise. Therefore you are mistaken.

When somebody talks of Lord not residing on images -vigraham, which is the
basic postulate of srEvaishNavism, I do not understand where does question of
tolerance comes up.

Further, this website is called 'dhivya-dhEsam' and not otherwise.

I am reminded of one of the emissaries of krmi kaNDA chOzhan who tortured
srEvaishNavites, ticking of Sri kUrathAzhwAn and not allowing inside the
shrine of nam-perumAL because he was a follower of sri rAmAnuja. Sri
milAgAzhwAn was not permitted inside because he was a srEvaishNavite.

Both felt happy on being called disciple of Sri RamAnujA and srEvaishNavite respectively.


I also do not understand why you should start supporting certain abatham-s which
you will understand if you go through these sentences. Further, I do not
understand what calamity has happened to whom and who has been keeping quite.
In fact, we have been trying to avoid such calamities. Kindly do not try to
support for the sake of supporting.

Unless you study under a proper AchAryA, one will never understand the term of
True vaishNavite. Even Lord of thirukkuRunkUDi approached sri rAmAnujA to
becaome a vaishNavite -SrE vaishNava nambi. '


In fact whatever you have given highlighted in the red is for the other person
to read. Let them read so desist from writing such absurd things of praying for
human births rather than getting released from births. Let us not encourage such
things which is neither advaitam or vishistadvaitam. A flippant comment and
support will not make wrong things right.

it is not just throwing words and dialogues is true vaishNavism.

If you want to propogate any faith one has to do it in the appropriate forum not
just interfere in other's website.

After all this, if you feel that what the Question and Answrs. regarding the
absurd analogy of wine, prostitution and all is correct, It is your look out
and speaks volumes of your faith and taste. I cant help it.
With regards.
PS: Vedics Foundation US and India held out a helping hand during the tsunami -
a great calamity. Helped one and all irrespective of caste and creed . I was
personally involved in this.

If you are interested I will send pictures. Anyhow, we need not have to prove
anybody that we are srEvaishNavites. There is only one case of vAishNavite and
that is a srEviashNavites and there is no question of true and false
vaishNavites.

All this does not mean one has to toleare all gayathry's meaningless writings.
rAmAnuja dAsan
vanamamalai padmanabhan
----- Original Message -----
From: Shankar Sridharan
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter who is the
embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even
Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a
devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the
word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and
he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the
justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of justice to
protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected
Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to
Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord
even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful
wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on
the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.
But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord
Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in
the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva
is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,
Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is
not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energeticbodies
of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured shirts. If you scold
Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same
(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations
i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Can anybody tell me first what is this sri Vaishnaviate culture first?
i am maharashtrain brahmin from bombay and joined this site with belief that it
will add to my knowledge about spiritualism etc.
But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else.
I think Lord Vishnu will also not like this wars and if you propogate us leaving
this group, it is still fine with us.

Thanks
Madhura limaye.raja raman <rrb4u (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.in> wrote:
dear sir

it is not the first time that we such articles...inspite of repeated messages
that only sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be propagated, others just
cast a dark shadow. I request the other cultures to stop sending mails to this
site in good faith and also with due respects to their sects. will the
concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the site without any
grievances.....

rajaramanSrihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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Dear madhura Limaye,

Srivaishnavite culture is the one that was popularized by Sri Ramanujacharya (1017 AD-1137 AD),
further solidified/codified by Sri Vedanta Deshikar and Sri Manavala Munigal.
Srivaishnavism is not caste based (Iyengars, who are part of Srivaishnavites are Brahmins.
Some popular figures are_ Rajagopalachari, Hemamalini, Venkata Raghavan, Jayalalita).
Here sole surrender to SrimannarayaNa as the one and only,
for all our needs including salvation is the requirement.
This tradition gives equal status as the shrutis (Vedas/Upanishads/Brahma sutras/Bhagavadgita),
to the works of ALvArs in the form of Tamil poems (divya prabhandhams). These
poetry also pays specific tributes to the special 108 sacred abodes/temples of
Vishnu (Divyadeshams).
Ramayanam/Mahabharatam/Bhagavatam /VishNupuranam are all recognized as sacred scriptures.
The whole purpose of life is to do service to the Lord.

> But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else<
from what I have stated above, this is your wrong conclusion.
It is nothing to do with caste, but everything to do with Srivaishnavism.
Surely, this is not a generic site Hinduism or any spiritualism.
This is for Srivaishnavites and/or those who like to
share, learn and rejoice Srivaishnavism.

Hope this clarifies your doubts.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr -----Original Message-----From: Madhura Limaye
<astromads (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005
22:59:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,
Can anybody tell me first what is this sri Vaishnaviate culture first?
i am maharashtrain brahmin from bombay and joined this site with belief that it
will add to my knowledge about spiritualism etc.
But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else.
I think Lord Vishnu will also not like this wars and if you propogate us leaving
this group, it is still fine with us.

Thanks
Madhura limaye.raja raman <rrb4u (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.in> wrote:
dear sir

it is not the first time that we such articles...inspite of repeated messages
that only sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be propagated, others just
cast a dark shadow. I request the other cultures to stop sending mails to this
site in good faith and also with due respects to their sects. will the
concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the site without any
grievances.....

rajaramanSrihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter who is the
embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even
Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a
devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the
word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and
he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the
justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of justice to
protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected
Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to
Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord
even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful
wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on
the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.
But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord
Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in
the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva
is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,
Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas
respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is
not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energeticbodies
of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured shirts. If you scold
Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same
(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations
i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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You are perfectly right and We all understand this site is dedicated for
Vaishnavites and to discuss about the "kalyana Gunagal" of Perumal. But what I
obejected is not tell others as rubbish. If you don't like that kind of
article to come in this site, Mr.Padmanabhan would have written in a polite way
to resfuse other articles not related to Sri Maha Vishnu.

As per Raja Raman "will the concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the
site without any grievances.....

Yes, Mr. raja raman, I can leave the site if I wish. but the problem is that I
don't want to leave the site just for telling the truth. I am also a
Vaishnavite. I joined this group knowingly that this group will discuss only
about Sri Vishnu. But at the same time, I can't keep quiet enjoying somebody
telling nonsense about others belief. My point is simple and straight that
don't critisise others belives. If you don't like it ignote it.

We all are hear to share the Joy of discussing about Perumal. Don't make his
adiyavar as "Critics" of others.

Thanks

Shankar
tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
Dear madhura Limaye,

Srivaishnavite culture is the one that was popularized by Sri Ramanujacharya (1017 AD-1137 AD),
further solidified/codified by Sri Vedanta Deshikar and Sri Manavala Munigal.
Srivaishnavism is not caste based (Iyengars, who are part of Srivaishnavites are Brahmins.
Some popular figures are_ Rajagopalachari, Hemamalini, Venkata Raghavan, Jayalalita).
Here sole surrender to SrimannarayaNa as the one and only,
for all our needs including salvation is the requirement.
This tradition gives equal status as the shrutis (Vedas/Upanishads/Brahma sutras/Bhagavadgita),
to the works of ALvArs in the form of Tamil poems (divya prabhandhams). These
poetry also pays specific tributes to the special 108 sacred abodes/temples of
Vishnu (Divyadeshams).
Ramayanam/Mahabharatam/Bhagavatam /VishNupuranam are all recognized as sacred scriptures.
The whole purpose of life is to do service to the Lord.

> But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else<
from what I have stated above, this is your wrong conclusion.
It is nothing to do with caste, but everything to do with Srivaishnavism.
Surely, this is not a generic site Hinduism or any spiritualism.
This is for Srivaishnavites and/or those who like to
share, learn and rejoice Srivaishnavism.

Hope this clarifies your doubts.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr -----Original Message-----From: Madhura Limaye
<astromads (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005
22:59:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,
Can anybody tell me first what is this sri Vaishnaviate culture first?
i am maharashtrain brahmin from bombay and joined this site with belief that it
will add to my knowledge about spiritualism etc.
But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else.
I think Lord Vishnu will also not like this wars and if you propogate us leaving
this group, it is still fine with us.

Thanks
Madhura limaye.raja raman <rrb4u (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.in> wrote:
dear sir

it is not the first time that we such articles...inspite of repeated messages
that only sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be propagated, others just
cast a dark shadow. I request the other cultures to stop sending mails to this
site in good faith and also with due respects to their sects. will the
concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the site without any
grievances.....

rajaramanSrihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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PLEASE REFRAIN FROM POSTING YOUR REPLY TO THIS ARTICLE OF WORSHIPPING LORD
SHIVA .
PLEASE STOP OFFENDING OTHERS .

LET THIS BE THE LAST MAIL ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT.

PLEASE DONT WASTE YOUR PRECIOUS TIME IN GIVING OFFENDING REPLIES TO MAILS
WHICH ARE NOT AGAINST A PARTICULAR PERSON.

PLEASE TAKE THINGS POSITIVELY AND REFRAIN FROM POSTING ARTICLES OF
NON SHRI VAISHNAVISM IN THIS SITE.

THERE ARE SO MANY FORUMS TO ADDRESS YOUR OPINIONS AND IDEAS.

INSPITE OF SO MANY REQUESTS FROM OTHERS NOT TO POST SUCH THINGS
THE PERSON "GAYATHRI" STILL POSTS SUCH MAILS IN THIS GROUP.

PEOPLE WHO WANT TO UNDERSTAND SHRI VAISHNAVISM OR THE GUNAS OF THE
LORD NARAYANA WILL BE CONFUSED IF THEY READ THE MAILS LIKE THE ABOVE MENTIONED
PERSONS MAILS , THATS WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THEM NOT TO POST SUCH THINGS LIKE
GIVING STUPID, IRRELEVENT AND CHEAP EXAMPLES LIKE
WINE , PROSTITUTES Etc.

Thats why we are getting offended by reading such stupid examples.


Regards
Chakrapani Shankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Mr. tAtAchAr,

You are perfectly right and We all understand this site is dedicated for
Vaishnavites and to discuss about the "kalyana Gunagal" of Perumal. But what I
obejected is not tell others as rubbish. If you don't like that kind of
article to come in this site, Mr.Padmanabhan would have written in a polite way
to resfuse other articles not related to Sri Maha Vishnu.

As per Raja Raman "will the concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the
site without any grievances.....

Yes, Mr. raja raman, I can leave the site if I wish. but the problem is that I
don't want to leave the site just for telling the truth. I am also a
Vaishnavite. I joined this group knowingly that this group will discuss only
about Sri Vishnu. But at the same time, I can't keep quiet enjoying somebody
telling nonsense about others belief. My point is simple and straight that
don't critisise others belives. If you don't like it ignote it.

We all are hear to share the Joy of discussing about Perumal. Don't make his
adiyavar as "Critics" of others.

Thanks

Shankar
tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
Dear madhura Limaye,

Srivaishnavite culture is the one that was popularized by Sri Ramanujacharya (1017 AD-1137 AD),
further solidified/codified by Sri Vedanta Deshikar and Sri Manavala Munigal.
Srivaishnavism is not caste based (Iyengars, who are part of Srivaishnavites are Brahmins.
Some popular figures are_ Rajagopalachari, Hemamalini, Venkata Raghavan, Jayalalita).
Here sole surrender to SrimannarayaNa as the one and only,
for all our needs including salvation is the requirement.
This tradition gives equal status as the shrutis (Vedas/Upanishads/Brahma sutras/Bhagavadgita),
to the works of ALvArs in the form of Tamil poems (divya prabhandhams). These
poetry also pays specific tributes to the special 108 sacred abodes/temples of
Vishnu (Divyadeshams).
Ramayanam/Mahabharatam/Bhagavatam /VishNupuranam are all recognized as sacred scriptures.
The whole purpose of life is to do service to the Lord.

> But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else<
from what I have stated above, this is your wrong conclusion.
It is nothing to do with caste, but everything to do with Srivaishnavism.
Surely, this is not a generic site Hinduism or any spiritualism.
This is for Srivaishnavites and/or those who like to
share, learn and rejoice Srivaishnavism.

Hope this clarifies your doubts.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr -----Original Message-----From: Madhura Limaye
<astromads (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005
22:59:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,
Can anybody tell me first what is this sri Vaishnaviate culture first?
i am maharashtrain brahmin from bombay and joined this site with belief that it
will add to my knowledge about spiritualism etc.
But it seems this site is just for caste wars and nothing else.
I think Lord Vishnu will also not like this wars and if you propogate us leaving
this group, it is still fine with us.

Thanks
Madhura limaye.raja raman <rrb4u (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.in> wrote:
dear sir

it is not the first time that we such articles...inspite of repeated messages
that only sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be propagated, others just
cast a dark shadow. I request the other cultures to stop sending mails to this
site in good faith and also with due respects to their sects. will the
concerned person rise to the occasion and leave the site without any
grievances.....

rajaramanSrihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear All

As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we should presume it as 108 Divya
Desam of Vishnu) , I think we should share our knowledge about the 108 Divya
Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs attention etc. Not what swamiji
says or does, Did any one try to see the link given in the posting. it is most
ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of
Krishna in cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was portrayed as Mary and
Christians raised a lot of hue and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.

I think Divya Desam group should be used for specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.

I hope everyone will agree with me.

Dasan
Sridhar




----- Original Message -----
From: Madhura Limaye
To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Hello,

I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for below.
When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get involved into it, and that is it.
That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies of GOD.
Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
Thanks,
MadhuraShankar Sridharan <ss1969au (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Vaishnavas,

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your
Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your
heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava
is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and
muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!
Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever
ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed
is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own
motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor
does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune
with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of
piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true
Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your
immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.
ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by
mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such
immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such
time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch
Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040
27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:
padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com
Gayathry <agayathry (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> Sent by: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com 05/31/2005 12:35 PM
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[divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is
related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva
is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru
who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to
be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction
of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this
worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is
inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be
aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually
alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that
thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,
he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality
becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He
should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become
spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is
the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of
thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata
it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by
ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious
externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and
mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned
towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.
Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter
who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.
Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand
was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never
followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards
the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to
cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of
justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva
protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond
ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee
shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard
notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have
such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the
embodiment
ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,
even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack
offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the
importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman
iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and
Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The
Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three
energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured
shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the
same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is
todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding
incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.
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The reason for this caste war is Gayathry.
Madam Gayathry pl pl pl pl pl pl pl unsubscribe from
this group.
or else pl DONOT post such articles.
I beg you on behalf of all other member of this group
pl stop posting such articles.

dhaya

--- Shankar Sridharan <ss1969au@...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. tAtAchAr,
>
> You are perfectly right and We all understand this
> site is dedicated for Vaishnavites and to discuss
> about the "kalyana Gunagal" of Perumal. But what I
> obejected is not tell others as rubbish. If you
> don't like that kind of article to come in this
> site, Mr.Padmanabhan would have written in a polite
> way to resfuse other articles not related to Sri
> Maha Vishnu.
>
> As per Raja Raman "will the concerned person rise to
> the occasion and leave the site without any
> grievances.....
>
> Yes, Mr. raja raman, I can leave the site if I wish.
> but the problem is that I don't want to leave the
> site just for telling the truth. I am also a
> Vaishnavite. I joined this group knowingly that this
> group will discuss only about Sri Vishnu. But at the
> same time, I can't keep quiet enjoying somebody
> telling nonsense about others belief. My point is
> simple and straight that don't critisise others
> belives. If you don't like it ignote it.
>
> We all are hear to share the Joy of discussing about
> Perumal. Don't make his adiyavar as "Critics" of
> others.
>
> Thanks
>
> Shankar
>
> tatachar@... wrote:
> Dear madhura Limaye,
>
> Srivaishnavite culture is the one that was
> popularized by Sri Ramanujacharya (1017 AD-1137 AD),
> further solidified/codified by Sri Vedanta Deshikar
> and Sri Manavala Munigal.
> Srivaishnavism is not caste based (Iyengars, who are
> part of Srivaishnavites are Brahmins.
> Some popular figures are_ Rajagopalachari,
> Hemamalini, Venkata Raghavan, Jayalalita).
> Here sole surrender to SrimannarayaNa as the one
> and only,
> for all our needs including salvation is the
> requirement.
> This tradition gives equal status as the shrutis
> (Vedas/Upanishads/Brahma sutras/Bhagavadgita),
> to the works of ALvArs in the form of Tamil poems
> (divya prabhandhams). These poetry also pays
> specific tributes to the special 108 sacred
> abodes/temples of Vishnu (Divyadeshams).
> Ramayanam/Mahabharatam/Bhagavatam /VishNupuranam are
> all recognized as sacred scriptures.
> The whole purpose of life is to do service to the
> Lord.
>
> > But it seems this site is just for caste wars and
> nothing else<
> from what I have stated above, this is your wrong
> conclusion.
> It is nothing to do with caste, but everything to do
> with Srivaishnavism.
> Surely, this is not a generic site Hinduism or any
> spiritualism.
> This is for Srivaishnavites and/or those who like
> to
> share, learn and rejoice Srivaishnavism.
>
> Hope this clarifies your doubts.
>
> dAsan
>
> K.S. tAtAchAr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Madhura Limaye <astromads@...>
> To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Sent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
>
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> Can anybody tell me first what is this sri
> Vaishnaviate culture first?
> i am maharashtrain brahmin from bombay and joined
> this site with belief that it will add to my
> knowledge about spiritualism etc.
> But it seems this site is just for caste wars and
> nothing else.
> I think Lord Vishnu will also not like this wars and
> if you propogate us leaving this group, it is still
> fine with us.
>
> Thanks
> Madhura limaye.
>
> raja raman <rrb4u@...> wrote:
> dear sir
>
> it is not the first time that we such
> articles...inspite of repeated messages that only
> sri vaishnavaite culture and sampradams to be
> propagated, others just cast a dark shadow. I
> request the other cultures to stop sending mails to
> this site in good faith and also with due respects
> to their sects. will the concerned person rise to
> the occasion and leave the site without any
> grievances.....
>
> rajaraman
>
> Srihi <srihi@...> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> As the name of this group is Divya Desam ( So we
> should presume it as 108 Divya Desam of Vishnu) , I
> think we should share our knowledge about the 108
> Divya Kshetram,The Kshetrams of Vishnu Which needs
> attention etc. Not what swamiji says or does, Did
> any one try to see the link given in the posting. it
> is most ridiculous to see swamiji portrayed as
> Vishnu ( like NTR who dons the role of Krishna in
> cinema) ( Long back a Political leader was
> portrayed as Mary and Christians raised a lot of hue
> and cry. Is anyone saying anything?.
>
> I think Divya Desam group should be used for
> specific purpose of promoting Sri Vaishnavism only.
>
> I hope everyone will agree with me.
>
> Dasan
> Sridhar
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Madhura Limaye
> To: divya_desam (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [divya_desam] worshipping Lord Shiva
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I also firmly agree with the view of Mr Shankar for
> below.
> When you worship the LORD, any LORD, you just get
> involved into it, and that is it.
> That is what GOD wants us to do. May be in any form.
> Whether Vishnu or Shiva, they are different energies
> of GOD.
> Kindly try to integrate our Hindu Dharma first.
> Thanks,
> Madhura
>
> Shankar Sridharan <ss1969au@...> wrote:
> Dear Vaishnavas,
>
> I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A.
> This shows that your Bhakthi and faith towards
> Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed
> devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing
> there is no place in your heart for Perumal.
>
> Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your
> dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava is tolerant, single
> pointed devotion.
>
> This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made
> Bhudists,christians and muslims to invade our
> culture and criticise our values. Be a good
> Vaishnava!! Our children needs acceptance of our own
> principles with tolerance.Not hatred.
>
> He is a true Vaishnava who knows and
> feels another?s calamities as his own.
> Ever ready to serve, he never boasts.
> Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.
> Blessed is the mother of such a person.
> He treats women as he would treat his own mother
> He keeps his mind calm and
> does not stain his lips with falsehood;
> Nor does he touch another?s wealth.
>
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