Re: [t'venkatam] "Ordeal by Fire" - The case for 'sitA-pirAtti'- Sri IVK Chary's offer to be "amicus curie"

--- "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary@...> wrote: >
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:36:58 +0100 (BST)
> From: "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary@...>
> Subject: Re: [t'venkatam] "Ordeal by Fire" - The
> case for 'sitA-pirAtti'- (PART 2)
> To: mksudarshan2002@..., sadagopaniyengar
> <sadagopaniyengar@...>
> CC: Ramanujam TVSR <acharyatvsr@...>
>
> Sriman Sudharsan & Sriman Sadagopan Iyengar Swamins,
>
> Both the Learned Counsels are coming up with
> interesting, serious and thought-provoking arguments
> in support of their "chosen" Litigants. I pray for
> the pardon of both Rambiran and Sitapiratti for my
> calling them Litigants after all it is the Learned
> Cousels who have chosen to make them so not the
> otherway.
>
> As a By-stander, I would like to put my own
> unscholarly plea to both of you with a request to
> consider its merits against your own most scholarly
> standards.
>
> In my humble opinion, there are 3 scenarios;
>
> Scenario 1 - Rama and Sita as the Divya Dampathy,
> the Parabrahmam Sriman Narayana
>
> Scenario 2 - Rama and Sita as humans in this
> Prakruthi Mandala actring as humans having discarded
> their role as Parabrahmam for the sake of this
> Avathara.
>
> Scenario 3 - Rama and Sita as the hero and herioine
> of a great epic scripted by the Poet Valmiki.
>
> Scenerio 1:
>
> The question of "Traditionalists" and
> "Non-Traditionalists" divisions comes into play only
> if the so-called dispute both the learned cousels
> are arguing about is sene from Scenario 1.
> Otherwise it is irrelevant. If we view Rama and Sita
> as the Parabrahmam, there is absolutely no need for
> them to come down to earth and go through all these
> motions just to finish off one Ravana together with
> his entourage on this earth. They are capable and
> have the title of "Aghatithe Ghatana Samarthargal".
> They went through all this ordeal just to fulfil
> someone else's commitment/boon seems to be a plea
> the learned cousels may come up with. Then take
> whatever that has happened as part of it and there
> ends the argument. As Parabrahmam a mere "Sankalpa"
> is enough to creat Pralaya and Laya . When that
> being the case, the question of coming down to
> Prakruthi Mandala and spending Millenniums just to
> fulfil someoneelse' s commitment/boon appears to be
> too much. If the Avathara Karana is to eliminate
> Ravana, there appears to be no plausible reason for
> both Rama and Seetha to continue in Prakruthi
> mandala for centuries post-Ravana Samhara period.
> They should have returned to their abode after their
> accomplishment as there appears to be no specific
> requirement for their presence on this prakruthi
> again to fulful yet another commitment/boon of again
> someoneelse. This appears to be precisely what has
> happened in the Avatharas prior to Parasurama.
>
> So, the Learned Cousels should make their opening
> statements very clearly as to how they view their
> clients, as Parabrahmam or their mere mortal
> clients.
>
> Scenario 2
>
> Rama and Sita are mere mortals on this earth, having
> set aside their permanent positions as Prabrahmam
> for a while. Then, this dispute has to be seen as
> mere mortals. The learned counsels are not supposed
> to bring in their arguments issuing/expected
> conduct/pre or current or post Avathara
> commitments/commandments made by them. The
> arguments have to be limited to their conduct during
> this Avathara as mere mortals and are to be measured
> as per the Dharmas applicable to their time period
> (Threthaa Yuga). Basing arguments on their conduct
> in relation to present day dharmas or the comitments
> made by them to each other or to third parties does
> not appear to be relevant to this dispute being
> argued now.
>
> Scenario 3
>
> Rama and Sita are mere characters created by the
> Poet Valmiki in his great epic Ramayana. If these
> are mere characters, then the Learned Cousels must
> place their arguments supporting or opposing the
> characterisation given by the Poet Valmiki. I do not
> understand the reason for dragging in Rama or Sita
> or even Parabrahmam into this dispute. They are the
> most helpless souls (no offence meant for them,
> rather I am arguing their case since I now consider
> them all as my clients, if you wish to call me
> Amicus Curie) caught in the arguments between the
> Learned Cousels who by their own choice selected to
> don the robes of Pleaders and also chosen on their
> own the "Jury" of Tiruvengadam Group Members.
>
> Any way I am enjoying the arguments and
> counter-arguments from both the Learned Counsels. A
> word of caution/request to both Learned Counsels,
> please put forth your pleas very clearly as to how
> you would like us, both as Amicus Curie ( I have
> arrogated myself to take this role) or as Jury, to
> view your arguments in realtion to the above said 3
> Scenarios. They are ofcourse most welcome to come
> up with another Scenario too as Scenrio 4 if they
> find one.
>
> Now go ahead with your arguments.
>
> Wishing you good "argumenting" (I guess this is my
> own coinage for which kindly excuse me and if such a
> word already exists please fogive me for my
> ignorance) times
>
> Dasan
> IVK CHARY

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