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Mayavadis see EVERYTHING as illusion, I am u, you are me and we are together as ONE.
The Mayavadis see EVERYTHING as illusion, I am u, you are me and we are all together as ONE consciosness. In this way claim to be God Devotees of Krishna on the other hand, see every living being as as individual identity, every soul or jiva as an eternal individual and Krishna as the Supreme Individual. Everything in NOT an illusion, but rather, a REAL creation of the Lord where Vaikuntha is the permanent aspect of Krishna's personal reality, while the inferior Mahat-tattva (material creation) is also REAL, yet impermanent and forever changing, fading and a decaying as a temporary reality of Krishna's wonderful creation. Both are real however, Vaikuntha is imperishable while the mahat-tattva is perishable. In other words the material creation is also very REAL but is temporary In the Spiritual Sky, there is a cloud that is very real but is always in a state of decay. This is where we consciously transfer our ‘awareness’ in the solid conscious state that is our baddha jiva condition. In other words, the marginal living entity can go, if he chooses, to the material creation (mahat tattva) and not serve Krishna, not as their svarupa body, but rather as a projected dreaming consciousness. However, because of the 'eternal presents' of Vaikuntha, we can never leave to enjoy separately as our nitya-siddha perpetual bodily self, whom is who we really are within that 'eternal present' of Goloka. We therefore enter the mahat-tattva cloud in a secondary conscious state that is very real but is normalised or reunited when one is again aware of their svarupa body (nitya-baddha). In this way, leaving Goloka is compared to dreaming, but this baddha jiva self centred dream, unlike the dream state of ones biological body, is very real but expressed in an atmosphere of eternal decay (the maha-tattva)
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10-10-2008, 02:12 PM
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"I am u, you are me and we are together as ONE. " there is a term often noticed about good sustenance such as the words above called Nectar
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the life of all that is (true understanding in science, math and religion is that 'light' is the life of all mass and light shared between mass is entangled, thereby all that exists is entangled to the total/God) It is how consciousness exists within the body of physical forms; the light! Quote:
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The material bodies may only be slight in time, but the energy of the conscious and what can be imposed to the material by choice is alive and continues so as home to the light of consciousness during our period of choice, what we do during this period is what represents the individuals we call ourselves to be known as good in the material we contribute while with choice as the eternal spirit lives within all that is imposed; such that time shares the good live forever while the adverse eventually become extinct. (or in current logic; equillibriate to base constituents)
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10-10-2008, 05:07 PM
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...here we go with this nonsense again. Unbelievable! 1) As Ravindran Keshavan pointed out on another thread, have you in your lifetime converted a single Mayavadi into a Hare Krishna? 2) Your concept of a Mayavadi is as wrong as can be. If you accosted a Mayavadi in an airport or on a street-corner with this kind of nonsense, he will laugh at your ignorance. 3) And several Mayavadis are staunch devotees of Krishna. How does this work? Instead of repeating your grossly incorrect statements on Advaita/Mayavada, I think you people will be better served trying to check the Hare Krishna population from dwindling. In case it is has not yet sunk in, take a look around. It is no longer fashionable to become a Hare Krishna or for existing HKs to continue their affiliation. Why don’t you – as a Prabhupada loyalist – focus your energy on checking this drain? You can start by avoiding topics you know nothing about – mainly Mayavada. That will be a good start. You come across as someone extremely foolish, when you talk about things you do not know. And while you are at it, try to use the organ named the Brain instead of rote repetition of Prabhupada’s sales pitches against the Ramakishna Ashram which may have made sense in 1968, but is completely out of context in 2008. I don’t know if you can get all this, but I feel compelled to enlighten you anyway. Cheers |
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10-10-2008, 09:25 PM
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No its not, you are so naive. Obviously you have no realizations of how Mayavadis see everything as one and themselves therefore as God. wakey wakey  I personally heard Prabhupada say that RamaKrishna and his disciple Vivikananda's impersonal nonsense Mayavadi philosophy has sent West Bengal to hell - go to Prabhupadas letters and read for yourself. Prabhupada: "Ramakrishna Mission is not Vedic. It is a creation of Vivekananda's concoction. It is not Vedic. Just like they created a God, Ramakrishna. So that is not a Vedic sanction, that you create any fool rascal, a god". Perth, May 16, 1975 - 750516TA.PER) (c) 1991 by Bhaktivedanta Book Trust
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10-10-2008, 09:36 PM
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Do you believe in individual souls (PERSONALISM) or do you believe 'consciousnesss' is all pervading flowing through all bodily vessels (IMPERSONALISM) experiencing different aspects of itself within those vessels divided by time, space and bodily containment?? In other words, you are me and I am you seperated by time and space
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first the idea of pinnning me down in a label is foolish (like a scoundrel, rude and corrupt) Imagine if i was always on the label path, you would have a bulls eye on your forehead. Quote:
are you suggesting that within our body there is a little floaty, that has all of its memories wrapped up within and the little floaty goes from body to body over time, thinking, remembering all kind of floaty-like.....? is that your idea of a soul? It's all untrue. Memories are affixed to the body. See alzheimers; they meeting new people at most every moment. Quote:
in mind we are separate in space and time. That is what our experience to life is consciously speaking of course. Reality shares we are all a part of the 'Alpha and Omega" in the sense; the beginning and ending, all of existence as a single; the total/God. From the spec of dusts to the total of all existence; that is Him at Once! In consciousness we become aware of that little point in time and space, yet related and of the total; in a sense we are Him experiencing life! All of us. Now to comprehend the 'spirit' think of your wake, your splash on existence. Each breath you take and exhale; that energy you impose to existence is your spirit. That is why Karma exists. What you do where you live. any questions?
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why it's bothering you what the mayavadis or the shaivas or the shaktas believe in ? why don't you mind your own business ? 
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Namaste Sarva, I am wondering, why he did not lift West Bengal out of the hell? I am inclined to say that a person who uses such profanity as language will lead you deeper into that dark hell faster. (And such colourful bhaktas too, who express glee while posting the profanities, spread by the master, freely on the internet). Om |
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10-11-2008, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by atanu [as highlighted in red]: "that you create any fool rascal, a god" What is your objection to this? What world-changing/'Nobel-Peace-Prise'-earning endeavor do you pretend to protect from being called: "So that is not a Vedic sanction, that you create any fool rascal, a god". It is a WONDER to see a boefide self-rightrous Svami claim turf for Krishna's banner (with a picture of Hanuman emblazened on it. Lead, follow or get out of the way. Your envy and anger is the poignant part of this dialogue--get a hold of your nerves man! You are "representing" what we [Vaishnava-vedantists] call mayavadi [impersonalists due to limited knowledge of Vedanta]--and WE know all about it [except for unsuspecting neophytes]. What is Most Important to US is that you have a firm understanding of Vaishnava Philosophy --and that is the cross-word where we are meeting here on this forum. So one day you will have been taught all you will ever need to preform Krishna-Bhakti on your own recognisance. yours in Krishna's Service, Bhaktajan |
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Because Mayavadi philosophy is sending innocent people to HELL
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Undoubtedly you are a very philosophical well educated person, what country are you from and what is your opinion of the Srimad Bhagavatam?
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Dear Bhakta, 'Nobel-Peace-Prise', boefide self-rightrous ' , 'recognisance': Wow, What's all these words? Do you have your nerves in control? It is already known that you do know everything, so you do not have to dilute this by self claiming: and WE know all about it [except for unsuspecting neophytes]. By the way, if you think that Rascal is a proper civil word then I have nothing to say. Regards |
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