this is a good site to explain the school of thought
started by nobel laureate Hannes Alfven

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/

you will learn that the big bang has been completely discredited for some time now,kept alive by those whose careers and dogma are at stake(the big bang theory was originated by a catholic priest).

you will learn that black hole's are not quantum singularities,they are not collapsed stars at all.
they are something completely different.

This school of cosmology is called 'plasma cosmology',
and it has consistently disproven all establishment
theories cooked up by the supporters of the big bang(catholic institutions,jewish instittions)
to prop up their crumbling edifice of disinformation.

the links at the site provide more info.

Personally I’ve never had a problem with the Big Bang theory when seen in light of Vedic thought. The entire process of creation and destruction and creation yet again seems to me to be fairly scientific. If there is a big bang that begins with an explosion, couldn’t there be a collapse that annihilates the universal shell into destruction?

whether you have a problem with it or not,is besides the point.
The science behind it is completely and unequivocally
discredited.

It survives due to the effort of those who have staked their careers on it's propagation and it's ancillary
speculative theories.

Also christian and jewish institutions believe that the
big bang theory somehow validates their biblical theory
of how the universe came to be.

The vedic conception is not to be taken literally,
are there really oceans of milk,etc. ?

No ,these concepts are metaphor for a higher understanding.

You must understand the foolishness of the big bang to
really appreciate how unscientific and unlikely
it is.

They believe that 14 billion years ago all matter in this universe today,including time and space ,were somehow
existing in a single dot , of what size they debate over, then all of a sudden this dot somehow expanded
or exploded at an almost infinite speed ,time ,space,
and matter expanded together to create this universe.

What caused this dot,is ignored as a future
discovery,and what existed around this dot is
to them nothingness,which of course is illogical.

To them logic is thrown out the window,science is replaced
with speculation based on faulty theories ,then more speculation based on the previous speculations.

The plasma cosmologists have consistently shown everything
that is accepted as fact by the establishment asstrophysicists to be nothing more then pie in the sky.

Shiva,

While I agree that there are several unexplained components in the Big Bang theory, such as the missing mass, it is not correct that it stands discredited. It is still a viable model and the most pursued one. I am also very skeptical of ascribing conspiracy theory to everything. If Stephen Hawking changes his stance, on the strength of new evidences, do you think his career would be at stake?

The Creation hymns of the Rk veda describe creation of the universe in very much the same way the Big Bang postulating physicists understand today. There is hardly any need for a Hindu to oppose Big bang on religious grounds.

A believer's faith doesn't get shaken just because the Big bang theory is proven to be correct, for his faith isn't dependent on empirical evidences. A believer can very well argue that Big bang at best only explains the process of material creation, which itself should have received a spiritual impetus. So, for him, Vishnu as the Supreme creator is still relevant.

I am not discouraging you from posting such thoughts which aren't mainstream. Actually, scientific thinking demands that we evaluate every thought without affiliations. I haven't yet gone through the links you have provided, though.

The big bang doesn't accept the concept of infinity,
which by the way has to exist,anything else is so illogical (if infinity doesn't exist when you get to the end of the universe what stops you ? a wall ?) and
unscientific as to be proof of a conspiracy.

And in fact there is.
The big bang theory was originated by a catholic priest
in charge og the vaticans science section, his goal was to put the idea of the catholic concept of creation(nothingness,then all of a sudden the universe) as a scientific fact.

The details of the history of the big bang theory ,it's inception,variation,rejection and finally acceptance
can be found in the book "the big bang never happenned",
befor you make a statement like there is no conspiracy
educate yourself about the topic.

The vedic concept is the same as the plasma cosmologists,not the big bang theorists.

The vedic concept is that there is no beginning,there is no end,that is also the plasma concept.
Anything else is foolish to the extreme,and shows just how foolishness and loss of intelligence affects those under the material illusion,Maya.

The basic concepts of the big bang theory and all of the ancillary corrections made to it every time scientific
proofs make it impossible(i.e. creating imaginary entities
to solve the problem) are based on pushing biblical creationism.

The massive amount of proof showing plasma cosmology to be absolutely correct, compared to absolutely zero proof
for the big bang is there for all to see.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make im drink

i just jumped on this page and i'm a philosophy and psychology major in chattanooga TN, and let me tell you dude, you really have little to no idea what you're talking about. The Big Bang theory is the best answer we have right now that fits with the modern scientific paradigm, you're conspiracy theories are interesting, but not true. And yes, it just so happens that infinity is completely illogical. For more accurate information onthis subject you can view this web page:

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...ig-smith0.html

it has a debate listed on it over the creation of the universe by two leading philosophers in this area.

Well your opinion is based on what you think you "know",
Reality is by definition not based on what anyone
thinks they know.

So to insist that a theory about the origins
and make up of the universe is correct based solely
on what you think,well that is something that
you might hear about in your psychology class.

I take a different position,having studied these

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/galaxies.htm
http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/universe.html

and other sources.

here is something that you as a student of
the mind will appreciate.

http://www.bluffton.edu/~bergerd/NSC_111/TenMyths.html

http://www.bluffton.edu/~bergerd/NSC_111/science1.html

shiva, you believe some things by faith in krsna, prabhupada and so on, do not attempt to talk about science if you don't know

Hah ! aren't all the members in this forum as mature ? Perhaps it is your faith which gives you this tolerance.

"shiva, you believe some things by faith in krsna, prabhupada and so on, do not attempt to talk about science if you don't know"

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Correct! Thanks for reminding Shiva. He is hyper with other's idea.