Dear all,

Obviously some of you may get offended by lets just say my
choice of words like fools or hippies; what I mean by a fool is "he/she who
does not know or realise the true meaning of what they are talking about"
and a hippie in this posting it would mean a person who chooses to be
ignorant usually out of laziness.

I despise the second sort, since everyone is the first sort except for
Rishis and Maha Purushas.

OM PARAMA PISHACHINI NAMAH

Let is bow down to she who drinks our karma in form of pishachini we bow to
Devi Sumukhi and Vartali may the mothers grant us their blessings as we
continue to seek the truth of what is known as Tantra.

Let me put this argument to you all; if these tantric books you buy from
shops did actually work then how come the writers or editors themselves aren
't highly enlightened; many of these books will only mislead you that is why
devi says in the devi gita that certain schools of tantra is forbidden for
you average bhakta since without a proper guru you will harm your soul and
get bad bad karma.
That is why I say for those who aren't sure about what to do, stick to
Vedanta. Many say that devi is a tantric deity let devi be either Gayatri or
Bhima Kali; there is no difference of the two parts one is fast but hard the
other is simple but very slow.

Tantra does sound good and is appealing due to the mystery and aw involved
around it but remember many of the true tantrics are dead, hippies have
taken over. Many Kali worshippers for instance; devi maha kali's tantra is
literally bloody, erotic and grotty that is to put off idiots from
practising it since the tantra of kali and chinnamasta can open the
Kundalini within seconds.
But now days this is just attracting more and more people, let me give you
all an example:


In the mantra raja tantra of my dearest mother kalika there is tantric rite:

Recite the mantra 100 000 times, then go naked into the shamshana bhumi
(cremation ground), sit on a corpse like one sits on a horse and do homa to
the devi, offer karavira flowers smeared with your semen and offer 10 000 of
such offerings.

Later there is also a mention of khanda manda yoga but that is literally
done right now it is not a good time to get into that.

Well let us look at this tantric rite, it says to do recitations of that
mantra, now that mantra is big and to do it that many times will take you
around 33 hours so it isn't one night. It can be done; but that is just a
count of Pranayama. The naked bit into shamshana, we all know a cremation
ground is where we burn people going naked into such a place simply means
that you must show humility and burn away all your desires.

You must then sit on a corpse, obviously that simply means that one should
control their senses since it is the body that most sensory organs are
linked to, the homa is reference to the bhuta agni that one should make
offerings to devi through the bhuta agni.

The karavira flower simply means shiva and Shakti as one, the whole thing
simply means to infuse yourself with shiva and Shakti so there be no duality
(in reality this means when you raise your prana to anahata) such a rising
should be done so many times.

So basically it means:
Sit down rid yourself of all desires, meditate on devi and do her japa with
one japa the prana should reach anahata, see no duality between you, shiva
and devi. Repeat this 100 000 times (this means that you must take your
shusma prana and take it through you nadi system among other areas which in
total would then = 100k, this is in ref to major nadis)

This can be done literally as well but the achievement is the same as one
who does it in the interpreted way if not less. That is the reason why you
need a guru.

It is good to start off with just doing japa, this trains your mind and body
to work as one, the whole purpose of these exercises is to destroy duality
between your gross, vital and mental bodies later destroy duality between
your identity and devi.

Samachara = transformation of three as one

Vamachara = destruction of three leading to only one


There are exceptions to this rule of interpreting everything in tantra,
those who are the veera take the literal path those who are the divya take
the esoteric path, those who are the pasu well they are selective (that is
the most polite way of saying it)

Even then for the veera and the divya the pre-requesites are that they fully
understand the tantra in all it's dimensions and have their senses under
control. The pashu is stuffed to begin with that rank is there for idiots,
heathens and other fools.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I for one am offended by your characterization of hippies. (And as for
"fools" that is such a general term of abuse it carries little
descriptive meaning at all.) I have a great deal more respect for
hippies who do nothing out of laziness or for any other reason (although
the so-called "hippies" I have known are not lazy nor ignorant in any
sense of the word) than those whose actions plunder the planet, oppress
other peoples, and who in the name of "progress" ride roughshod over
nature and culture alike. In this I follow my Guru Swami Ganeshananda
Saraswati who, as both a Kriya yogi and a Naga, (if you do not think
that sadhus represent their own counter-culture in India, you haven't
spent much time with them) believed that if it were not for the
pot-smoking hippies who led the protests of the 60's and 70's America
would have lost all moral standing in the world as it pursued its
imbridled rape of Vietnam and the rest of South-East Asia. Today we see
the same warmongers picking up where they left off, albeit using much
more subtle and dangerous means, (media control, computer war games,
etc.) and most every so-called "clean-cut" yuppie all-American is so
deep in denial that they look the other way or simply rationalize what
is happening. Use the terms in whatever way you like, but I for one
WISH there were more hippies in the world today!

Roxanne Kamayani Gupta

kalika Putra wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Obviously some of you may get offended by lets just say my
>
> choice of words like fools or hippies; what I mean by a fool is
> "he/she who
> does not know or realise the true meaning of what they are talking
> about"
> and a hippie in this posting it would mean a person who chooses to be
> ignorant usually out of laziness.
>
> I despise the second sort, since everyone is the first sort except for
>
> Rishis and Maha Purushas.
>
> OM PARAMA PISHACHINI NAMAH
>
> Let is bow down to she who drinks our karma in form of pishachini we
> bow to
> Devi Sumukhi and Vartali may the mothers grant us their blessings as
> we
> continue to seek the truth of what is known as Tantra.
>
> Let me put this argument to you all; if these tantric books you buy
> from
> shops did actually work then how come the writers or editors
> themselves aren
> 't highly enlightened; many of these books will only mislead you that
> is why
> devi says in the devi gita that certain schools of tantra is forbidden
> for
> you average bhakta since without a proper guru you will harm your soul
> and
> get bad bad karma.
> That is why I say for those who aren't sure about what to do, stick to
>
> Vedanta. Many say that devi is a tantric deity let devi be either
> Gayatri or
> Bhima Kali; there is no difference of the two parts one is fast but
> hard the
> other is simple but very slow.
>
> Tantra does sound good and is appealing due to the mystery and aw
> involved
> around it but remember many of the true tantrics are dead, hippies
> have
> taken over. Many Kali worshippers for instance; devi maha kali's
> tantra is
> literally bloody, erotic and grotty that is to put off idiots from
> practising it since the tantra of kali and chinnamasta can open the
> Kundalini within seconds.
> But now days this is just attracting more and more people, let me give
> you
> all an example:
>
>
> In the mantra raja tantra of my dearest mother kalika there is tantric
> rite:
>
> Recite the mantra 100 000 times, then go naked into the shamshana
> bhumi
> (cremation ground), sit on a corpse like one sits on a horse and do
> homa to
> the devi, offer karavira flowers smeared with your semen and offer 10
> 000 of
> such offerings.
>
> Later there is also a mention of khanda manda yoga but that is
> literally
> done right now it is not a good time to get into that.
>
> Well let us look at this tantric rite, it says to do recitations of
> that
> mantra, now that mantra is big and to do it that many times will take
> you
> around 33 hours so it isn't one night. It can be done; but that is
> just a
> count of Pranayama. The naked bit into shamshana, we all know a
> cremation
> ground is where we burn people going naked into such a place simply
> means
> that you must show humility and burn away all your desires.
>
> You must then sit on a corpse, obviously that simply means that one
> should
> control their senses since it is the body that most sensory organs are
>
> linked to, the homa is reference to the bhuta agni that one should
> make
> offerings to devi through the bhuta agni.
>
> The karavira flower simply means shiva and Shakti as one, the whole
> thing
> simply means to infuse yourself with shiva and Shakti so there be no
> duality
> (in reality this means when you raise your prana to anahata) such a
> rising
> should be done so many times.
>
> So basically it means:
> Sit down rid yourself of all desires, meditate on devi and do her japa
> with
> one japa the prana should reach anahata, see no duality between you,
> shiva
> and devi. Repeat this 100 000 times (this means that you must take
> your
> shusma prana and take it through you nadi system among other areas
> which in
> total would then = 100k, this is in ref to major nadis)
>
> This can be done literally as well but the achievement is the same as
> one
> who does it in the interpreted way if not less. That is the reason why
> you
> need a guru.
>
> It is good to start off with just doing japa, this trains your mind
> and body
> to work as one, the whole purpose of these exercises is to destroy
> duality
> between your gross, vital and mental bodies later destroy duality
> between
> your identity and devi.
>
> Samachara = transformation of three as one
>
> Vamachara = destruction of three leading to only one
>
>
> There are exceptions to this rule of interpreting everything in
> tantra,
> those who are the veera take the literal path those who are the divya
> take
> the esoteric path, those who are the pasu well they are selective
> (that is
> the most polite way of saying it)
>
> Even then for the veera and the divya the pre-requesites are that they
> fully
> understand the tantra in all it's dimensions and have their senses
> under
> control. The pashu is stuffed to begin with that rank is there for
> idiots,
> heathens and other fools.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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AUM gaNapataye namaH

Namaste dakinic_monk,

Since you've posted an interpretation of tantra, I must know what
category you fall into: fool, hippie, rishi, or maha purusha. This
will help me to figure out how seriously to take your words.

Thank you!

AUM kAlyai namaH



--- In Shakti_Sadhana@y..., "kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk@y...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Obviously some of you may get offended by lets just say
my
> choice of words like fools or hippies; what I mean by a fool is
"he/she who
> does not know or realise the true meaning of what they are talking
about"
> and a hippie in this posting it would mean a person who chooses to
be
> ignorant usually out of laziness.
>
> I despise the second sort, since everyone is the first sort except
for
> Rishis and Maha Purush

I made no relation to the "hippie" you are referring to; basically what I
said was those people are called such, Sanskrit word for such a person means
he who consumes to much cannabis since it has a tendency to make you over
relaxed.

Get your facts straight, I am not making reference to the 70's generation of
people commonly known as Hippies, I am using the same word but the usage is
in a different context!!!!!

Again I will say this, those who are learned in the path of Tantra or are
even firmilar with it but without doing much research start mentioning
factors beyond their comprehension are known as fools this is what Devi
herself has said so. I use the word idiot since it is a bit more derogatory.

You are mistaken, I wasn't even born in that era a decade after it so I
wouldn't dare mention something I haven't experienced.

I WAS A NAGA SADHU, GET THAT STRAIGHT AS WELL!!! However that was
under different practices and circumstances which I will not go further in;
I didn't get this knowledge from man, to invoke a Dakini you must like naked
and worship her in an isolated place for weeks on in.
You do not know me hence do not speculate, I am sorry for any offence
caused; you should know that feet will be stepped on in the process of
writing or mentioning Tantra or anything else for that matter.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Most definitely fool, I have no ego problem with that. Although I would like
to aspire to become a Rishi or maha purusha. You see a fool is a person who
hasn't fully realised Tantra, even if you on a 99 percent verge you still
will be called so because this will prevent you from getting a big head.

If you call yourself a scholar or an aspirant then there is a hierarchical
system, not that this isn't but this takes it to the extreme, in the process
of learning if you start getting a big head then you are stuffed hence the
term fool or idiot is applied.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pranam dakinic_monk. Thank you for the answer.

AUM shantirastu from a hippie fool. Peace, Brother.

AUM namaH shivAya


--- In Shakti_Sadhana@y..., "kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk@y...> wrote:
> Most definitely fool, I have no ego problem with that. Although I
would like
> to aspire to become a Rishi or maha purusha. You see a fool is a
person who
> hasn't fully realised Tantra, even if you on a 99 percent verge you
still
> will be called so because this will prevent you from getting a big
head.
>
> If you call yourself a scholar or an aspirant then there is a
hierarchical
> system, not that this isn't but this takes it to the extreme, in the
process
> of learning if you start getting a big head then you are stuffed
hence the
> term fool or idiot is applied.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been r

Namaskar Roxanne:

Thank you for that. Beautifully argued, and entirely true.

DB

-- In Shakti_Sadhana@y..., Roxanne Gupta <roxanneg@a...> wrote:
> I for one am offended by your characterization of hippies. (And as
for
> "fools" that is such a general term of abuse it carries little
> descriptive meaning at all.) I have a great deal more respect for
> hippies who do nothing out of laziness or for any other reason
(although
> the so-called "hippies" I have known are not lazy nor ignorant in
any
> sense of the word) than those whose actions plunder the planet,
oppress
> other peoples, and who in the name of "progress" ride roughshod over
> nature and culture alike. In this I follow my Guru Swami
Ganeshananda
> Saraswati who, as both a Kriya yogi and a Naga, (if you do not think
> that sadhus represent their own counter-culture in India, you
haven't
> spent much time with them) believed that if it were not for the
> pot-smoking hippies who led the protests of the 60's and 70's
America
> would have lost all moral standing in the world as it pursued its
> imbridled rape of Vietnam and the rest of South-East Asia. Today
we see
> the same warmongers picking up where they left off, albeit using
much
> more subtle and dangerous means, (media control, computer war games,
> etc.) and most every so-called "clean-cut" yuppie all-American is so
> deep in denial that they look the other way or simply rationalize
what
> is happening. Use the terms in whatever way you like, but I for one
> WISH there were more hippies in the world today!
>
> Roxanne Kamayani Gupta
>

Ma Kali seems to love hippies, fools and yuppies
equally well.
Jai Ma!
--Aravind


--- Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta@...> wrote:
> Namaskar Roxanne:
>
> Thank you for that. Beautifully argued, and entirely
> true.
>
> DB
>
> -- In Shakti_Sadhana@y..., Roxanne Gupta
> <roxanneg@a...> wrote:
> > I for one am offended by your characterization of
> hippies. (And as
> for
> > "fools" that is such a general term of abuse it
> carries little
> > descriptive meaning at all.) I have a great deal
> more respect for
> > hippies who do nothing out of laziness or for any
> other reason
> (although
> > the so-called "hippies" I have known are not lazy
> nor ignorant in
> any
> > sense of the word) than those whose actions
> plunder the planet,
> oppress
> > other peoples, and who in the name of "progress"
> ride roughshod over
> > nature and culture alike. In this I follow my
> Guru Swami
> Ganeshananda
> > Saraswati who, as both a Kriya yogi and a Naga,
> (if you do not think
> > that sadhus represent their own counter-culture in
> India, you
> haven't
> > spent much time with them) believed that if it
> were not for the
> > pot-smoking hippies who led the protests of the
> 60's and 70's
> America
> > would have lost all moral standing in the world as
> it pursued its
> > imbridled rape of Vietnam and the rest of
> South-East Asia. Today
> we see
> > the same warmongers picking up where they left
> off, albeit using
> much
> > more subtle and dangerous means, (media control,
> computer war games,
> > etc.) and most every so-called "clean-cut" yuppie
> all-American is so
> > deep in denial that they look the other way or
> simply rationalize
> what
> > is happening. Use the terms in whatever way you
> like, but I for one
> > WISH there were more hippies in the world today!
> >
> > Roxanne Kamayani Gupta
> >
>
>


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I must say one thing, I might was well stop this posting on tantra people
are arguing about things that aren't relevant and take what I write to
convey an Idea out of context, I said earlier in the posting that words I
use are of a different nature then it's original context, i.e. hippie.

Instead of talking about the essential component that being the
interpretation of Tantric texts people are criticising my choice of words;
that is beyond me. I said before I am not master thus am prone to mistakes
however I know enough to invoke devis, this is something I wasn't hesitant
to share.

You all know that many Tantrics are secretive about sadhana especially to
Devi, I thought that since we all have the same goal why not share these
things yet you either criticise or complement me. I don't really care for
either, I am here to learn like everyone else instead of talking about what
is important (DEVI and her darshan), some have taken the petty approach. I
wasn't wrong in using the word hippie. Like I said some even with the
information in front of their faces remain deluded to the whole picture.

God never made man stupid or an idiot, it is out of ignorance, ego and
laziness that man has acquired this. Anyone can give and teach mantras and
sadhana, anyone can comment on Tantra in fact many without the proper
knowledge do so. I don't have the proper knowledge nor do I claim to have
such but I have made a hell lots of mistakes and really don't want others to
go through the same process, I am not doing this out of the goodness of my
heart but have been instructed to do so, thus get good karma.

I am not versed at all in Vedas or anything else but Tantra and at that
mostly to the dasha maha vidyas, for all my life practically 17 years I have
talked and learnt and like I said made lots of mistakes, Devi isn't all that
forgiving I must warn those who have this misconception of that fact.
She is Shakti before anything else that is her physical essence and if you
mess with electricity prepare for a good jolt. This posting is here to stop
people getting this, many try calling on Devi they call her mother, friend
and what nots but all they are doing is sitting in front of an inanimate
statue chanting mantras they don't understand and thinking "what am I going
to have for lunch?" I have been there I know.

If you choose the path of tantra then forget all the Vedic conceptions of
Devi being motherly and loving, you are firstly approaching her as Shakti
you don't use ma or mother in her mantras as much as you do hreem or phreem
these bijas are Shakti resonance. She is nothing but your Kundalini Shakti,
why the hell do you even call her as mother when you haven't even seen her
true from, ever spoken to her or interacted with her, except for the usage
of icons.

This all is explained when you analyse this, Hinduism and Tantra aren't some
mystic thing, they are kept secret because people misinterpret, misconstrue
and thus contaminate something as pure as this. The concept of Tantric sex
is something new to the world like 500 years new before that only the
merging of the Kundalini to the anahata was known as this later people took
it literally.
That is the same with Kalika or Chinnamasta devi.

I do not take back anything that I have said, if it offends you that ignore
me, if you think I am wrong and have evidence to support you argument then I
only make a humble plea that you correct me (in terms of Tantric philosophy)
I don't like complements as much as I don't like criticism or abuse.
Complements only increase one's ego and gives you a big head that is one of
the worst curses. Learn from Lord Rama.

I get in a vile mood when people totally misinterpret what I say or talk
about irrelevant dribble. I have never met a hippie hence I will not talk
about one or comment on one, what I know about them can very well be another
person's point of view which could totally lead away from the truth. I admit
I don't like being wrong hence such a large reply to that hippie complaint,
that isn't cause of ego that is to see if the other argument holds more
validity.
Besides I absolutely despise those who speculate!!! I think it is better if
I stop posting information about tantra in general.

Good day to all of you (except for that hippie complaining person.)


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You have already stated something about your age so I can put a lot of
your attitudes down to your youth but I do feel sorry that you become so
defensive when people object to mistaken "labelling" of people. The fact
is that "hippie" already has a meaning in the context of global
discourse and so of course people will take offense when you choose to
use it in your own way oblivious of the fact that you might be smearing
large numbers of people who hardly deserve it. You make a judgement
about those of us who point this out (and not in an angry way either,
simply stating another view) in saying that we are talking about
irrelevant things. If you think that the teachings of tantra do not
have any bearing on what is happening in the world around us, the way we
"label," hence relate, to others, then you have not understood the role
tantra has played throughout history. Tantra has, by anyone's
standards, functioned as a "counter-culture" in relation to the
mainstream caste-bound hierarchical society. Ma is the great equalizer
in so far as we all enter this world through the womb of Mother. In her
eyes there is no such thing as caste, class or ethnicity.
Your background is interesting but nonetheless there is a reason
why such sadhanas have been shared only with select others face to
face. In the field of tantra broadcasting one's practices and states of
consciousness can be easily misunderstood so do not be surprised if your
Ma gets angry at you for it!
Roxanne Kamayani Gupta

kalika Putra wrote:

>
> I must say one thing, I might was well stop this posting on tantra
> people
> are arguing about things that aren't relevant and take what I write to
>
> convey an Idea out of context, I said earlier in the posting that
> words I
> use are of a different nature then it's original context, i.e. hippie.
>
> Instead of talking about the essential component that being the
> interpretation of Tantric texts people are criticising my choice of
> words;
> that is beyond me. I said before I am not master thus am prone to
> mistakes
> however I know enough to invoke devis, this is something I wasn't
> hesitant
> to share.
>
> You all know that many Tantrics are secretive about sadhana especially
> to
> Devi, I thought that since we all have the same goal why not share
> these
> things yet you either criticise or complement me. I don't really care
> for
> either, I am here to learn like everyone else instead of talking about
> what
> is important (DEVI and her darshan), some have taken the petty
> approach. I
> wasn't wrong in using the word hippie. Like I said some even with the
> information in front of their faces remain deluded to the whole
> picture.
>
> God never made man stupid or an idiot, it is out of ignorance, ego and
>
> laziness that man has acquired this. Anyone can give and teach mantras
> and
> sadhana, anyone can comment on Tantra in fact many without the proper
> knowledge do so. I don't have the proper knowledge nor do I claim to
> have
> such but I have made a hell lots of mistakes and really don't want
> others to
> go through the same process, I am not doing this out of the goodness
> of my
> heart but have been instructed to do so, thus get good karma.
>
> I am not versed at all in Vedas or anything else but Tantra and at
> that
> mostly to the dasha maha vidyas, for all my life practically 17 years
> I have
> talked and learnt and like I said made lots of mistakes, Devi isn't
> all that
> forgiving I must warn those who have this misconception of that fact.
> She is Shakti before anything else that is her physical essence and if
> you
> mess with electricity prepare for a good jolt. This posting is here to
> stop
> people getting this, many try calling on Devi they call her mother,
> friend
> and what nots but all they are doing is sitting in front of an
> inanimate
> statue chanting mantras they don't understand and thinking "what am I
> going
> to have for lunch?" I have been there I know.
>
> If you choose the path of tantra then forget all the Vedic conceptions
> of
> Devi being motherly and loving, you are firstly approaching her as
> Shakti
> you don't use ma or mother in her mantras as much as you do hreem or
> phreem
> these bijas are Shakti resonance. She is nothing but your Kundalini
> Shakti,
> why the hell do you even call her as mother when you haven't even seen
> her
> true from, ever spoken to her or interacted with her, except for the
> usage
> of icons.
>
> This all is explained when you analyse this, Hinduism and Tantra
> aren't some
> mystic thing, they are kept secret because people misinterpret,
> misconstrue
> and thus contaminate something as pure as this. The concept of Tantric
> sex
> is something new to the world like 500 years new before that only the
> merging of the Kundalini to the anahata was known as this later people
> took
> it literally.
> That is the same with Kalika or Chinnamasta devi.
>
> I do not take back anything that I have said, if it offends you that
> ignore
> me, if you think I am wrong and have evidence to support you argument
> then I
> only make a humble plea that you correct me (in terms of Tantric
> philosophy)
> I don't like complements as much as I don't like criticism or abuse.
> Complements only increase one's ego and gives you a big head that is
> one of
> the worst curses. Learn from Lord Rama.
>
> I get in a vile mood when people totally misinterpret what I say or
> talk
> about irrelevant dribble. I have never met a hippie hence I will not
> talk
> about one or comment on one, what I know about them can very well be
> another
> person's point of view which could totally lead away from the truth. I
> admit
> I don't like being wrong hence such a large reply to that hippie
> complaint,
> that isn't cause of ego that is to see if the other argument holds
> more
> validity.
> Besides I absolutely despise those who speculate!!! I think it is
> better if
> I stop posting information about tantra in general.
>
> Good day to all of you (except for that hippie complaining person.)
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--- In Shakti_Sadhana@y..., "kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk@y...> wrote:

> if you think I am wrong and have evidence to support you argument
then I only make a humble plea that you correct me (in terms of
Tantric philosophy).

Namaste dakinic_monk! I will try my best to comply with your request.

You write:

> I don't like complements as much as I don't like criticism or abuse.
> I get in a vile mood when people totally misinterpret what I say or
talk about irrelevant dribble.
> I don't like being wrong hence such a large reply to that hippie
complaint,
> Besides I absolutely despise those who speculate!!!

One of the goals of Tantra is to get beyond likes and dislikes. Sure,
attraction and aversion will still arise, but the point is not to be
affected by them. If you are feeling that the words of others affect
you, then consider also that your own words will also affect others --
especially when you take a teaching stance. Words, after all, are the
very deluding power of Maya.

If you state that you are not competent to interpret Tantras, then
perhaps it would be best to just present the practices without the
extra commentary. You write that you would like others to make the
same mistakes as you and this is fine and compassionate. But maybe
some people need to make those very same mistakes in order to learn?
How else does one really learn?

So, in essence, don't let other's words affect you; continue what you
are doing with the unstoppable force of an arrow shot from Devi's bow!
We all appreciate what you are trying to do. Just be careful with your
words!

AUM kAlyai nam

Whats with you and speculation, like I said I was using the word in the
different context and again like I said if you get offended then ignore my
posts. My age has nothing to do with it try to understand that!
Again I will say this when I used the word hippie it was in a different
context, you are the one who is using (in the post) with it's "global"
context.

I don't want to waste my time nor other's by continuing arguing with you, if
you are indeed offended well then tough I will not refrain nor am I sorry
for it since I had clearly outlined the ONLY context I was using it in. Have
you even met maa to make a presumption like that? Do you even know how I
invoke her? I don't think so that just shows ignorance reeking through due
to those fallacious presumptions and speculations you are making.

What you are talking about in tantra is also a big load, devi dosent look at
caste as a heirachy but in another context as the kularnava and mostly the
bhimacharani and maha kala samhita point out. Yes what I am talking about is
mentioned in kularnava tantra that there are certain types of people who
should be. But she has outlined difference in caste and hence some cannot
practice a certain tantra like the Kulachadamini tantra can only be
practiced by non Brahmans.

So this counter culture bull is again a load of bull ( in my perspective),
however I don't know the history. According to Kularnava tantra there is not
basic caste heirachy that is looked at but other forms that I will not get
into.




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