Yes, you are correct... that is Bahuchara Mata. I heard a different story as to why She is worshipped by transexuals, homosexuals, etc... though. I read somewhere that She was almost raped (!), and that She only forgave Her almost-rapist after he castrated himself and donned the garb of a woman for the rest of his life. As for the website you were on... I'm pretty sure that I also got on the same website today (http://devimaamandir.com/Katerimata.html ???) while reading up on Kateri Mata... LMAO... sure is a small virtual world, isn't it!

Namaste Pujari and Radhe

This website seems to identify Kateri with one of the navdurgas (I'm guessing Siddhidatri as she is the only one without a picture of herself below the icon of Kateri at the top). Would any of you be able to verify if this were true or not? If so is the icon of her with lions, also of another goddess then Kateri?

It seems logical that they'd be saying that She's Siddhidatri, since they equate Her being the "last" with Her being the youngest... since Siddhidatri is the last of the Nava-Durga rupa, I'd say there's a good chance you're right. I don't know this though... it's just speculation... but it makes since. I think that the Goddess with the lions is Khodiyar Mata... usually She wears a colorful sari (but w/ the same blessing mudra and trident), but I just found a picture where She's dressed all in black with a lion ( http://family.webshots.com/photo/107...25453939OZsZQT ).
Aum Namah Shivaya! Jai Mata Ji!

hey whats up guys but the truth of the matter is kateri affilation in shakti worship is more close to Katyayainee the SIXTH of the Nav durga forms ( i could be wrong but this is what i have learnt) because once when earth gave birth to son Narak she turned herself into a maiden nurse- Katyayainee to look after her own son.

Nava Durga - These are the nine (nava) main forms of the Goddess. She is well known by these forms in the Vedas. Each goddess symbolises a specific source of Energy.
1. Shailputri - She is the daughter of the Himalayas and first among nine Durgas. In previous birth she was the daughter of Daksha. Her name was Sati - Bhavani. I.e. the wife of Shiv. Once Daksha had organized a big Yagna and did not invite Shivaji. But Sati being obstinate, reached there. Thereupon Daksha insulted Shiva. Sati could not tolerate the insult of husband and burnt herself in the fire of Yagns. In other birth she became the daughter of Himalaya in the name of Parvati - Hemvati and got married with Shivaji. As per Upnishad she had torn and the egotism of Indra, etc. Devtas. Being ashamed they bowed and prayed that, "In fact, thou are Shakti, we all - Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv are capable by getting Shakti from you."
2. Brahmacharini - The second Durga Shakti is Brahamcharini. Brahma that is who observes panance and good conduct. Here "Brahma" means "Tapa". The idol of this Goddess is very gorgeous. There is rosary in her right hand and Kamandal in left hand. She is full with merriment. One story is famous about her. In previous birth she was Parvati Hemavati the daughter of Himvan. Once when she was busy in games with her friends. Naradaji came to her and predicted seeing her Palm-lines that, "You will get married with a naked-terrible 'Bhole baba' who was with you in the form of Sati, the daughter of Daksh in previous birth. But now you have to perform penance for him." There upon Parvati her mother Menaka that she would marry none except Shambhu, otherwise she would remain unmarried. Saying this she went to observe penance (tap). That is why her name is famous as tapacharini - Brahmacharini. But as she was engrossed in Tapa her mother told her, " Beti, please do not make penance." From that time her name Uma became familiar.
3. Chandraghanta - The third Shakti is Chandraghanta. There is a half-circular moon in her forehead. She is charmful and bright. She is Golden colour. She has three eyes and ten hands holding with ten types of swords - etc. weapons and arrows etc. missiles. She is seated on Lion and ready for going in war to fight. She is unprecedented image of bravery. The frightful sound of her bell terrifies all the villans, demons and denavas.
4. Kushmanda - The fourth Durga is Kushmanda. The Shakti creates egg. I.e. Universe by mere laughing she resides in solar systems. She shines brightly in all the ten directions as like Sun. She has eight hands. Seven types of weapons are shining in her seven hands. Rosary is in her right hand. She seems brilliant riding on Lion. She likes the offerings of "Kumhde." Therefore her name "Kushmanda" has become famous.
5. Skanda Mata - The Fifth name of Durga is "Skanda Mata". The daughter of Himalaya, after observing penance got married with Shiva. She had a son named "Skanda." Skanda is a leader of the army of Gods. Skanda Mata is a deity of fire. Skanda is seated in her lap. She has three eyes and four hands. She is white and seated on a lotus.
6. Katyayani -The Sixth Durga is Katyayani. The son of "Kat" as "Katya". Rishi Katyayan born in this "Katya" linege. Katyayan had observed penance with a desire to get paramba as his daughter. As a result she took birth as a daughter of Katyayan. Therefore her name is "Katyayani" on the bank of Jamuna for getting Krishna as a husband. It proves that she is prime deity of Vraj mandal. Her appearance is very sublime. She has three eyes and eight hands. These are eight types of weapons missiles in her seven hands. Her vehicle is Lion.
7. Kalratri - The Seventh Durga is Kalratri. She is black like night. H hairs are unlocked. She has put on neckles shining like lightning. She has three eyes which are round like universe. Her eyes are bright. Thousands of flames of fire come out while respiring with nose. She rides on donkey. There is sharp sword in her right hand. Her lower hand is in blessing mood. The burning torch is in her left hand and her lower left hand is in fearless style, by which she makes her devotees fearless. Being auspicious she is called "Shubhamkari."
8. Maha Gauri - The Eighth Durga is "Maha Gauri." She is as white as a conch, moon and Jasmine. She is of eight years old. Her clothes and ornaments are white and clean. She has three eyes. She rides on bull She has four hands. The above left hand is in "Fearless - Mudra" and lower left hand holds "Trishul." The above right hand has tambourine and lower right hand is in blessing style. She is calm and peaceful and exists in peaceful style. It is said that when the body of Gauri became dirty due to dust and earth while observing penance, Shivaji makes it clean with the waters of Gangas. Then her body became bright like lightning. There fore, she is known as "Maha Gauri" in world.
9. Siddhidatri - The Ninth Durga us Siddhidatri. There are eight Siddhis - Viz- Anima, Mahima, Garima, Laghima, Prapti, Prakamya, Iishitva Vashitva. Maha Shakti gives all these Siddhies. It is said in "Devipuran" that the Supreme God Shiv got all these Siddhies by worshipping Maha Shakti. With her gratitude the half body of Shiv has became of Goddess and there fore his name "Ardhanarishvar" has became famous. The Goddess drives on Lion. She has four hands and looks pleased. This form of Durga is worshipped by all Gods, Rishis-Munis, Siddhas, Yogis, Sadhakas and devotees for attaining the best religious asset.




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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could help me out with some questions that I have regarding aspect of worship in the West Indies.

My first questionis thus: In Mariamman and Munishwar temples in India and Malay, Murugan is usually one of dieties worshiped. In the West Indies I have not even heard him mentioned and most think that he is Lord Siva's daughter, not his son. Most people just stare blankly when his name is mentioned. Are there any ideas as to why he was left out of the temples? It is quite a shame if I might add my view as he plays such an important role within the context of the universe and the teachings the tradition embodies is very pratical and rich.

Second: in a previous post Pajarie and myself talked about a Kal Bhairo picture from Tamil Nadu. He is one the horse and is in the series with Kateri Ma, Sanganie and Muneespreng. Upon closer inspection Kal Bhairo wears the mark of Vishnu on his forhead, not Siva's as per other pictures (not to mention that Kal Bhairav is from the Saivite tradition). Any ideas to this over sight, or is this a way of showing that the Divine is in all traditions? Or an oversight of the artist?

MOUNTAIN WARRIOR,

i am attempting to help you understand, however do not accept my words as an official answer, for it is always better to take into consideration the varied perception of others, pertaining to an issue or inquiry.

As for your first question concerning Murugan, it is evident that there are temples in the West Indies that entertain Murugan in Shakti Temples. Some devotees however, may be bewildered by acknowledging him as Murugan, since some know him as Subramunyam or Kartikea.
I suspect that perhaps you must have had some experiences with Guyanese
worshippers, for I myself have realised, as far as my research has lead me, is that some, (maybe all, maybe few) Shakti Temples in Guyana do not entertain or worship Murugan, or are totally unaware of his significance.
Nonetheless, I guess it all depends on the head pujarie/pujarin and his/her beliefs and way of worship.

CONCERNING THE ARTIST'S PERCEPTION OF SYMBOLISING MAHA KALA BHAIRAVA, IT IS NOT AT ALL AN OVERSIGHT, ...VISUAL ARTS OF A DEVTA/DEVI IN ITSELF IS AN EXPRESSION OR A VISION OF THE ARTIST HIMSELF.....IT IS HOW HE PERCEIVES KALA BHAIRAVA, NO MATTER IF HE IS A FORM OF SHIVA AND NOT LORD VISHNU, FOR ALL OF THEM ARE ONE. OBSERVE DATATREYA DEVTA (THREE HEADED DEVTA)........LOOK AT A PICT OF HIM......HE IS USUALLY SURROUNDED BY DOGS....NOT SO? AND SO IS KAL BHAIRAVA....

YOU MUST UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE HUMANS PORTRAY THE DEVTAS DIFFERENTLY IN PAINTINGS AND SCULPTURES DOES NOT MEAN IT IS WRONG, IT IS JUST THEIR CULTURE, THEIR TRADITION, THEIR BELIEFS......

AND THEN AGAIN YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE MANY SECTS OF HINDUISM AND REALISE HOW DIFFERRENT THEIR PERCEPTIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES, GODS AND GODDESSES ARE!

Hope this helps!

SitaRama................................

there is a devi called kaarni devi and they do worship to her if you dont know somtime you shouldnt talk negative about it ans say she doesnt exist
she does exist i do puja for her were you get a rooster while doing the puja
and bath him put chandan for him and wen the puja is finished let him loose
in your yard he gets rid of any black majic that people do and throw in your
yard just because your shakti temple you go to dont do her worship
that dont mean she dont exist tell do your temple rise parameswari devi
i dont think so but she does exist.
jai kali maa
when next you go to your shakti temple and they rise kali ask her
if you feel i lieing
jai sita ram

hey whats up A.F. long time not on the scene bit preoccupied with my temple.
anyways bhiro i think for a pundit the concensus would have been that you are supposed to be a little more intelligent than the rest of us as to lead us. you say that there is a devi called kaani devi i say no but there is one called Kanya kumari that people say is kaani and if is this you pray to then woe onto whom you teach as a pundit. anyways i see that you are close to shakti worship and at 24 well done but be careful as to how you preach i too am from trinidad and as for pundits here well all i can say is that if you dony follow them then they chastise you. then again you say that you do fowl cock pooja for kaani devi and let go the fowl cock then answer this if you are not going to sacrifice the bird why release the bird so the victory of the prayers run around the yard and well kaani is running behind it. first time i heard a pundit refer to black magic and use fowl cock as antidote.
my concept on paremeshwari maa is different and as you had read my earlier post that you had agreed too, you should know my aim. This post relative to Kaani was not that she deos not exist but is that they refer to her by wrong name my learned friend. and besides as a pundit one has to have controlled emotions and calm and soothing words where are yours.

Hey pujarie five

Whats the scene? Enjoying your discussion, hope yuh good.

Innocent,

Whats up? I noticed someone asked why bhairo baba has the mark of Vishnu on his head and not Shiva.
Bhairava has the mark of Vishnu on him probably because it is Vishnu who gives him his forgiveness and rids him of sin of braminicide.I most believe this should be true.

Jai Kali Maa!!!!!!!!!
Jai Maha Shakti Khaal Bhairo Baba!!!!!!!!!!!

well if wat i say is wrong my esteem friend then u should have no problem asking mother then and i know of the devi called kanya kumari u do her puja by inviting 9 girls from the ages of 2 - 10 and offer them sweets and other things but i should be telling you that since you are bramha himself and you know everything in the three world so i am sorry but my guru who lived in tamil nadu for a number of years emparted that knowledge to me from his guru who is well versed in tantric practice but since you are bramha himself then you should know this oooooo great one and a next thing is that you are not thinking,you say that why do you offer the fowl and then let it go so she can run behind it sooo tell me or great one why do we offer food to a dog wen you are doing kala bhairo puja so after he can run behind the dog if wat you were saying are true then you should kill the dog not leave it to run around in your yard sooo do you scarifice dogs to bhairo ooo great pujari, and futher more in the tantra raja tantra page 53 verse 12 it say to send a person crazy you use a fowl by following other practices not mentioned here you leave the fowl let it run free, and the reason for me useing black majic is for the normal person to understand and therefore learn.
jai bhairo baba
wish you all the blessings to you because although we may disagree on somthings we are both devoties of the supreme mother.

my friend my patience with the arrogant ones are very low if your guru from tamil nadu guyana taught you this well fine still Kanyakumari puja i did not mean kumarie pooja you perform for nav ratri i meant the puja you do for kanyakumari (one word) pooja. as the story goes Punyakshi was a maiden who lived in the southern tip of india and wanted lord shiva as her husband, but the gods were opposed to this for only as a virgin did she posses the power to defeat demons who at the time plagued the earth.the gods agreed to allow the marriage one lord shiva had aquired some difficult things which he succeded to attain. but with condition that he must reach her village before the sun rises. mounted on his bull he rushed but just as the village appeared on the horizon the roosters started to crow. believing it was day break he turned around heartbroken. but he was fooled into thinking so because the other gods had made the roosters crow before time. when Punyakshi learnt of the divine deception her fury knew no bounds, she kicked the pots of food prepared for her wedding which turned into coloured sand found on the southern shores of india even today. the demons offered to marry her but were destroyed by her. she stood on the seashore beside her village facing the sea and vowed not to move until she is reunited with her lord at the end of time and as a result she became Kanyakumari. the divine maiden.
did not your tamil nadu guru from south india not tell you this story.Pundit g whom ever you adore as your guru is no business of mine so because he spent time in india he is guru . well i went america so i am american but wait i went guyana so i guyanese now see my point. but yet he told you that kanya kumarie pooja is the same as kumarie pooja where you worship nine virgin girls. my friend i think you need to revisit your guru and the library and futher your lessons remember your are playing with people lives and when you knowingly decieve people it comes back million fold. this is kumarie pooja i.e. worship of nine virgin girls for each night on the navartri not of what i was refering to. you can refer to me as which ever devta there is it insults me not espicially when i know i am correct. so your tactics to ridicule me and draw readers away from the point and to take your side may work but i will remind you.
about your baseless point
i said:
"then again you say that you do fowl cock pooja for kaani devi and let go the fowl cock then answer this if you are not going to sacrifice the bird why release the bird so the victory of the prayers run around the yard and well kaani is running behind it."
and you said
sooo tell me or great one why do we offer food to a dog wen you are doing kala bhairo puja so after he can run behind the dog if wat you were saying are true then you should kill the dog not leave it to run around in your yard sooo do you scarifice dogs to bhairo ooo great pujari

see how stupid your point is let me help you ! when you apply bath and chandan to an animal it becomes the offering so in other words the fowl is now prasad but still it has life in it food does not. you offer a dog food when you do bhiro pooja at no time bhiro is worshiped as the dog this is his chariot next thing i might see you do is advise people to worship and pooja lord ganesh charoit as lord ganesh himself. if i am right with your above point when you offer food to the dog it is really for khal bhiro or was it the dog being offered. in my point the fowl was the offering not food for the fowl i think in your haste to ridicule me your emotions got the better of you and you typed dogtata

53 verse 12 it say to send a person crazy you use a fowl by following other practices not mentioned here you leave the fowl let it run free, and the reason for me useing black majic is for the normal person to understand and therefore learn.

so how many persons pundit g have you sent crazy. we just like lord rama and ravan were devotees of the divine but this does not mean because we worship her we are alike and the same. our paths may be same but our destinations are different my dear purohit.

[quote=Bhairo child]Hey pujarie five

Whats the scene? Enjoying your discussion, hope yuh good.


yes my dear friend i am as good as can be but know things will get better very busy in temple soon go tell you just wanted to answer this pundit boy who needs to grow into a leader and not follow society norms. i around man just taking little read now and then. blessings

Dear Pujarie

Glad to see yuh lighting up somebody else other than me. You are making sense in this debate. Sometimes people interpret the teachings wrong and to a point they take things too literally. Anyway I aint in this arguement. Have fun.


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Jai Maha Shakti Khaal Bhairo Baba!!!!!!!!!!!


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hey B.C. you make me laugh. you know i have no beef nor pork with you just a matter of opinions yes you not in the discussion but sometimes a refree is also needed to neutralise things .

first thing first jus because i know how to send somone crazy doesnt mean that i do it because i understand the cycle of karma. next my guru is not from tamil nadu gayana he is from tamil nadu, india ( ooooooo great pujari)
secondly it is stated in most texts dat wen you worship kala bhairo you offer somthing to his dog and a next ting my all knowing one it is said in the vedas that there are 5 yajnas and one of them is to offer food to lesser beings than yourself (maybe i should offer somting for you)
and the reason why i bought up this conversation is really to tell you that you are not 100% positive that there is no such devi call kaani devi soo you shouldnt say she doesnt exist you can be wrong you are human as well as me but you would hurt someone who worships kaani devi wen you say she dont exist (cuz you dont know for certain) so dont make yourself a fool and disrespect someone's goddess there are plenty goddess that we dont know about so my dear frend you should leave her alone.


i sure you eh even know wat is bram and nath shakti or how to worship them or if they even exist but you want to blasphem against kaani devi you feel you know everything and anyone who has an opposite view you try to shoot them down i read wat you does write you know and everything is about this temple doing this wrong that temple doing that wrong you acting like you prefect you done reach in satya lok .

but still as someone in shakti worship i consider you my brother so brother are you ok i know kali maa blessing is upon you i am sorry if i sounded angry before is just the love i have for mother overwelms me somtimes i wish you all the best.



jai mahaa kali maaaaaaaaaa mahakali mataa ki jai

but as in everything if you have a refree dat does understand or comprehend the complexities of worship then you have nothing

because i have the testicular fortitude to stand for what i believe in and say what i want regardless to the lies that probably you and the others encourage in trinidad i am some how perfect. well then my friend thank you foryour compliment but you and i know to attain perfection is to attain moksh and i aint dead yet. some how like what i typing either you reading wrong or your intellect is very low i never said not to put something for the dog i was saying that at NO TIME BHIRO IS WORSHIPPED AS A DOG ( highlighted for easy reading) yes better you give me the food for i wish better i be a dog to you for you might understand me better in that dialect. you say i could be wrong now make up your mind. when i say Kaani devi does not exist i mean the word KAANI as a devi the devi meaning KANYAKUMARIE you moron gosh you fustrating boy you sure you is a pundit that read alot of books and study and do the people exams or it is looking to me like you buy your license. Again because someone spent time in tamil nadu and see alot of ways to worship the devi dat aint make him no guru probably yours and i now see why you is his chailor. i not trying to shoot down no one if you were paying attention i believe it was in my post i wrote this not no one elses.

prove it get a pic of Kaani devi and post it get one from your guru and then describe to us who she is. i think you mixing up katarie with kaani devi. and if there was a guru from tamil nadu teaching shakti worship how i never heard of him.

As I said before Pujarie Five O is back........lol!

The Meaning of Pujarie Five O - An Active Rather than Passive Educator of Shakti Worship.

I am glad that you have returned to share your personal philosophies of Kali Worship.

Take Care,

SitaRama.....

Hey Bhairo Child,

Hope You Are Okay. Thanks For The Input Concerning The Symbolic Tilac On The Forhead Of Bhairo.

Do Take Care Now!

Sitarama

hey guys what mark are you refering to the majority of the pics i have there are three lines on the forehead of him describe what you have. for there is a picture of KALKI who rides a white horse the last avatar to come in the time of disolution of Sri Vishnu that resembles Khal Bhirav and he has the mark of Vishnu. i hope this is not the one you are refering to. there is also one where is forehead is yellow with a red bindu ust like the devi Mariamman. so which one are we talking about.