Socialism and Vaishnavism

[Danielle Field]

Apology accepted Samia. Although I would prefer it if you apologised for having adopted numerous personalities on this forum in order to sabotage my position. I suspect the reason the people you work with on your welfare projects are more respectful to you because you think more carefully about what you are going to say to them than you do to me. If you weren't one of them would probably have hit you by now. I have to add also, the thought of someone working on community welfare projects harbouring such spiteful predjudices towards some of the most vulnerable groups in society is, frankly, disturbing.

As for being a low life scum, no, Vikram, I am not. I have a very long fuse, but when its blows you know about it. A lot of that is due to the abuse i received at the hands of ISKCON and from various other aspects of this life of which I grow tired. Socialism has taught me a lot of important lessons about how to stop hating myself and others and I wanted to discuss this with people who had maybe had similar experiences. I didn't come here on a recruitment drive. Unfortunately I have been treated as though I am and all the scorn people harbour for the word socialism has been poured on me and it has had its effect.

Every time I come on this forum I get called stupid, ignorant, thoughtless, heartless, worthless, it seems now most of those insults have been coming from the same person pretending to be a group in order to bolster their position. In truth I don't even know now if the two of you are the same person. Bit creepy in truth. There is only so much of that taunting, teasing, deriding and, frankly, bullying I can take. I wish I had enough self respect to just walk away from it all, and I did for a good length of time. I was hoping after having left it for a while things might be different, especially now BDM has gone. But no, cos you're still there aren't you Samia. Still waiting to pounce every time I speak with your callous one liners.

[Samia]

Originally Posted by Danielle Field Apology accepted Samia. Although I would prefer it if you apologised for having adopted numerous personalities on this forum in order to sabotage my position. I suspect the reason the people you work with on your welfare projects are more respectful to you because you think more carefully about what you are going to say to them than you do to me. If you weren't one of them would probably have hit you by now. I have to add also, the thought of someone working on community welfare projects harbouring such spiteful predjudices towards some of the most vulnerable groups in society is, frankly, disturbing.

1. I have no need to create multiple accounts to state my opinion, I am and have always been Samia my choppy grammer is pretty easy to pick out so using different names would be quite silly.
2. I never think about what I am going to say to anyone, that much again should be obvious by my posts. I have yet to be hit by anyone but then again most of the people I run with and encounter are passionate and not extremists. Most of the Anarchists I know are really quite reasonable and just consider me misguided but they respect the fact that I dont pretend or hide who I am or what I believe.
3. Ah the failsafe of your just predjice, you know there really should be an internet / real life rule like Godwins law if you know what I mean
Tell me, for which vulnerable groups do I have predjudice ? I personaly can think of two neither really fall under vulnerable, Banner wavers and yes I do tend to distrust Muslims.
Before you step up on your pious platform though I know for a fact that they distrust I feel for Muslims is the same attitude ALOT of socialists have twords Christians so worry about your own backyard first

[Danielle Field]

Its very hard and frustrating to talk to someone who isn't listening is all. Be honest, you haven't read most of the posts I've written, have you? You just think I'm an extremist little banner waver who doesn't deserve to be listened to, so why talk? My point is that you've thought that from the very moment that you saw this discussion posted. You've completely ignored the parts where I have explained how and why I came to these conclusions and why I want help understanding that and, frankly, being rude to me in the hopes that I'd go away hasn't helped at all.

[Vikram Ramsundar]

Originally Posted by Danielle Field Its very hard and frustrating to talk to someone who isn't listening is all. Be honest, you haven't read most of the posts I've written, have you? You just think I'm an extremist little banner waver who doesn't deserve to be listened to, so why talk? My point is that you've thought that from the very moment that you saw this discussion posted. You've completely ignored the parts where I have explained how and why I came to these conclusions and why I want help understanding that and, frankly, being rude to me in the hopes that I'd go away hasn't helped at all.

With all due respect, Ms. Field, Samia isn't the one who stooped to vulgarity of the basest denomination with words like f***, b**** and w****, thereby evincing to the rest of the world what cheap stuff she was made of; on the contrary, *someone else* did precisely that. All along, she was thoroughly decent and civilised.

Give it a rest, Danielle. We've witnessed your debating skills and had a glance at your mental faculties. I cannot speak for others evidently but *my* gut reaction henceforth shall be to steer clear of you, as much as is humanly possible that is. Cheers.

[Samia]

Originally Posted by Danielle Field Its very hard and frustrating to talk to someone who isn't listening is all. Be honest, you haven't read most of the posts I've written, have you? You just think I'm an extremist little banner waver who doesn't deserve to be listened to, so why talk? My point is that you've thought that from the very moment that you saw this discussion posted. You've completely ignored the parts where I have explained how and why I came to these conclusions and why I want help understanding that and, frankly, being rude to me in the hopes that I'd go away hasn't helped at all.

I listen quite well and have read all the posts, you think with the people I know I haven`t heard a great chunk of what you have said before ? I have listened to everything you have said and as obvious by your avoiding key issues and tossing accusations my way you haven`t listened to what I have said all along or maybe the concept is just to frightening to you. You want to blame systems and believe in systems as a vehicle for change and I call BS on it because no system created by man can change what resides in the hearts of men. Capatilism has killed but so has your precious socialism. The only true force of change is action ( sorry waving a banner doesn`t count as action ) If people are hungry FEED THEM ! If people need shelter BUILD IT ! Marching is nothing more than sense gratification without true action. Really I could care less if you went away, I just have this little spark of hope though that maybe something I say will sink in and you will take your passion and do something useful with it then maybe folks would take you a bit more seriously as well. Come on I dare you to take 2 hours of your time a week to do SOMETHING. Doesn`t even have to be to difficult, pick up trash, or plant some plants in a poorer neighborhood see what sort of response you get then. If thats too tough do some door to door for your local foodbank or go tutor at a youth center for a bit.

[Danielle Field]

Well, at least you two have met each other on here, so thats a nice thing, isn't it? cups always half full, thats what I say. Always look on the bright side. Maybe you could both have a discussion that you're actually interested in instead of hijacking subjects on which you know nothing about. All my love xxx

[Samia]

Originally Posted by Danielle Field Maybe you could both have a discussion that you're actually interested in instead of hijacking subjects on which you know nothing about.

Just because someone doesn`t buy the garbage banner wavers spew in no way indicates a lack of education in the subject. A half a day at bound together and anyone could pick up 99% of your arguments being recycled here its not like any of it is a part of some amazing new discovery. The same mantra is repeated day in and day out by the little chomskybots that plauge any coffeeshop on the west coast. The same slogans are recycled by postcard punks at most shows since the early 80s. Bring something new to the table then I might just act suprised.
Helped anyone yet ?
I won`t hold my breath.

[Danielle Field]

Again, Samia, you've missed the point. I have said several times that I don't consider my position to be final or that I am blessed with all the answers required to support my current position. I came here for help understanding my position and all you've given me is consistent torrent of anti-commie bile. Even when I say things like "I've made mistakes in the past and I'm sure I will make mistakes again" or "I don't know what it will take to make the world a better place" you still bite back at me as if I'm a member of the Imperial Guard.

I've been lucky enough to find a group of people who are willing to listen and understand and have a more thorough, if critical, understanding of socialism than you, so I won't be approaching you for any assistance any further. I don't know how you could ever hope to help anybody. You certainly haven't helped me because you haven't listened to a word I have said. Your responses are prepackaged and I have certainly heard them all before. No need to hear it from you too.

Before you answer, did you actually read any of that?

Really?

Are you sure you're sure?

[Samia]

Originally Posted by Danielle Field Again, Samia, you've missed the point. I have said several times that I don't consider my position to be final or that I am blessed with all the answers required to support my current position. I came here for help understanding my position and all you've given me is consistent torrent of anti-commie bile. Even when I say things like "I've made mistakes in the past and I'm sure I will make mistakes again" or "I don't know what it will take to make the world a better place" you still bite back at me as if I'm a member of the Imperial Guard.

All you have brought here is anti-capitalism bile so where is the difference ?
I have told you time and time again what it takes to make the world a better place but I guess the concept doesn`t give you the gratification or attention you so seem to need. All it takes to change anything is to stop talking and start doing, is that really too deep a concept for you to get ? Yea I bite back because I doubt you really are doing anything other that trying to spread socialist dreck. Are you really that desperate for attention or that fearful of breaking a sweat ?