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lord shiva said to go to banaras to the krim kunda shrine there you will learn the practicals of swacchanda tantra that is the first path you should take.
its a little distance from kamaccha temple.
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Dear Bhairo,
Thanks for the Guidance.
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07-14-2008, 04:10 AM
I am in need of some authentic tantric texts as i am really interested in doing some sadhanas to increase my psychic powers,
my email id is:anurag.chand@gmail.com
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Dear Bhairo,
Thanks a lot. I am very spirited to experiment I did a lot too in tantra, but only that I dont have a right teacher and the experiments did not succeed.
Do consult the god for guiding me.
I can give you lots and lots of sadana details all original and authentic tantric texts of Lord Siva. He is the one who propounded all the 64 tantras.
I dont have all 64, but I have many of them with me. I can share what ever I have with you.
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07-14-2008, 05:48 AM
Dear Admananda,
If you specify what kind of powers you are seaking, I can accordingly perscribe the texts.
It is easy with a guru. If you dont have a guru you need to first seek Siva as your guru and please him. Otherwise mere text book knowledge will not help.
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07-15-2008, 05:25 AM
Dear Dhruv,
Does your sister still with that thing?
This is what all the so called Tantriks are doing and because of this the True Knowledge from our ancestors is in the verge of the extinction.
There are still few good people with genuine knowledge who can be the help ...
Well, such things happen when the Evil Tantriks perform their rituals or it could just be the reactions of past Karmas. But, only a person with divinity can tell you the truth.
Everything happening in our life has some correlation to the past lives....
I dunno much about Asharm Ji and other self acclaimed Bhagabans and Gurus there
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Ur sister can get rid of it ...must be with patience...
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07-16-2008, 08:18 AM
ok,dhruva...nothing is wrng with ur problem.It is genuine.The problem is those tantrics,aghoris and those cheap pple...khopda baba,bhasma baba,mahakal baba...yuck..These cheap pple are very sick.They wil do sme tricks...walk on water...stand in fire and SOME dumb pple believe them to be divine...
Forget the Siva mantra.It might or might not be potent depending on its authenticity.But plz dnt think that Lord shiva has caused this misery.This misery is just the result of sme karmas performd by ur sister in her previous lifetimes.Dont listen to an ordinary man's advice.
Lets take the advice of a genuine,ksotriya,brahm nishtha mahatma,who has attaind God.
Tulsidas: in hanuman chalisa,gosvamiji explains that 'Mahaveer',this name is potent to drive away pisachanis,evil spirits etc.Do japa of 'mahaveer'.
Padma purana: 'The name of Sri Hari is so potent that if a person chants it even once,wheter out of contempt,faith or without intention,he is at once freed frm all material bondage'
So better still,chant the holy,primal,eternal Names of God. Best of the transcendental mantras is
''hare krsna hare krsna
krsna krsna hare hare
Hare ram hare rama
Rama rama hare hare.''
This mantra is imported frm the spiritual world.Have no doubt that this mantra wil free you,your sister frm all posible problems,miseries...
Tel her to chant with faith that Sri krsna is the supreme personality of Godhead.If you think lord Krsna/narayana/lord Rama to be an ordinary devata,then kindly do not recite the mantra.You wil only cause offense.
Thats why Lord siva says: Sri Ram ram rameti,
Rame raame manorame,
sahasra naam tatulyam,
Ram naam varanane.
Lord siva declares that any persn who desires to get freed frm material bondage,shud chant the 1000 spiritual names of Lord Ramacandra...that is the only way.
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07-16-2008, 08:47 AM
harer nama harer nama harer nama kaivalam
Kalau nasty eva nasty nasty eva gatir anyatha...,
(brhadnaraniya upanishad.)
In the age of kali,only Hari's name,only Hari's name,only Hari's name can save you.
There is no other way.There is no other way.THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY.
So kindly forget khopda baba,nanga baba...They are ALL EVIL.they just want siddhis.They hav zero spiritual realisation.Siddhis are material in nature.They ARE NOT SPIRITUAL.Hari's name is the origin,the source of all spiritual potency.
Exalted sages like Narada,asita,devala,vedvyas,prahlada,sanat kumar,hanuman,every1 has acepted this fact.
DO NOT LISTN TO ORDINARY PPLE.LISTEN TO THESE SPIRITUAL PPLE.BECOME INTELLIGENT !!
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07-16-2008, 02:30 PM
Hello Ravindran,
I tried sending you a private message but, I am not entitled to using it because my total number of posting is below the minimum required posts.
Is there any mantra or tantra or anything that I can do for the next one month (before the end of shraavan period) to make my wish (of marrying the girl I like) come true?
I'm a spiritual person myself; so, kindly show a way to fulfilling my desire.
Thank You.
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I am very spirited to experiment I did a lot too in tantra, but only that I dont have a right teacher and the experiments did not succeed.
Do consult the god for guiding me.
I can give you lots and lots of sadana details all original and authentic tantric texts of Lord Siva. He is the one who propounded all the 64 tantras.
I dont have all 64, but I have many of them with me. I can share what ever I have with you.
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07-17-2008, 02:53 AM
Dear Ravikishore,
I dont know which god or goddess you are fond off. For anything, you can ask god - your ista devada. This is the best and fine path. If you please your ista devata, the vdevata will grant you what you ask.
Sravana month is very good for Siva worship. - In case you are a siva bhakta .
Otherwise there is a particular mantra called Gandarva raaja mantra exclusively ment for getting the girl of once choice. yhe mantra goes like this;
Om Gandharva raaja Viswaavase Mamabilaashidhaam Kanyam Prayacha Swaahaa.
(dobble 'aa' are long souinded and singla 'a' short sounded.)
Meaning: "O ghandarva King ( by name) Visvavasu get me the girl I desire".
To be chanted 330 times or more for sitting. Do regularly Once a day minimum or twise a day or thrice a day.
More number of jaba better.
This is all there is. Nothiong more to it by way of rictual etc. Just chant it daily.
For any mantra to work bhakti is a prerequisit. there is no merit in mechanical repitition.
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07-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Dear Ravindran,
Thank you for your advice. Just wanted to know the number that I should aim for (such as 10,000 times or 1,25,000 times in this one month) to attain siddhi of this mantra. Also, is there a way to specify the name of the girl during the chanting of the mantra? I just want to make sure I'm married to 'The Girl' I like, not any girl.
My ishta deva is Balaji/Vishnu although of late, I've been totally immersed in Sri Rudram and Lord Shiva. My ishta devata is Goddess Durga. How do I please them? (the mantras I know for these gods/goddess are: Om Namo Narayana/Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya and Om Dum Durgayai Namaha)
I'd also like to provide some background information regarding my problem:
I'm in a situation where I don't know whether to continue seeking help from a spiritual person (I've known for the past 6 months through newspaper ad) or not.
He has helped me in the past, in making a decision for my sister's marriage. My sister chose to marry a person from a different community. So, I was exploring ways to prevent her from doing so. That is when I saw his ad and approached him. He performed a mini puja (some tantric thing, I guess). He said he can prepare something that I would mix in a drink and give my sister. In 48 hours, it'll show its effect and my sister will feel develop reversion for that person. He guaranteed that much. But, he also said that the person my sister chose is a nice person and advised me to let my sister marry him.
Another spiritual guru that I've had for a long time had actually told me this (that the person my sister chose is good) beforehand. So, I was slightly relieved that he wasn't entirely commercial and did have the ability to give advice without his financial gain in mind. I chose to not go ahead with my endeavor to stop my sister from marrying that person. This was nearly 3 months ago.
Now, I happen to like a nice girl who's profile I saw on a marriage portal, but she (and her family) are not interested. Her father said that the age difference is too high (8.5 years) to consider our alliance. Because, I'd like to marry this girl, I consulted the person whom I approached earlier regarding my sister's marriage. He said he can certainly help me by changing this girl's mind so that she and her family are receptive to our alliance.
He said it'll take a min of 16 days and a maximum of 40 days in order accomplish this task. He also said that he'll start the puja tonight. That caught my attention and arose a suspicion about what kind of method he is using to accomplish this task.
As far as I know, any 'good' puja is performed during the day. So, when he said he'll start the puja in the night, I became suspicious of his means. I had previously asked him if he performs black magic. He said no; and, all he does is white magic, which is a rare skill which, his guru imparted to only 12 people (in all of south india), including this person. (by the way, his fees for this puja is one lakh rupees; I'm mentioning it as an after thought because, the issue here is whether he is adopting good or bad ways to achieve the goal)
Now, in the scenario where he is performing black magic or some other unwelcome means of doing the task, I'm worried and scared if I'll beget bad karma. Is my fear/concern valid? I really like the girl and want to marry her (no dowry or anything such thing). Do you think I should go ahead and continue seeking help from this person? (Of course, assuming that he'll indeed succeed in his effort to bring our alliance to fruition.) In the event that going ahead with this is wrong, and I still chose to do it, is/are there any way(s) to get rid of the ill-effects/bad karma that I would befall me?
The resaon why I've provided a detailed account of events is that I want to make sure I don't suffer from the ill-effects (if any) of my action (if it is wrong, that is).
Please advice and guide me.
Thank You Sir.
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Dear Ravikishore,
I dont know which god or goddess you are fond off. For anything, you can ask god - your ista devada. This is the best and fine path. If you please your ista devata, the vdevata will grant you what you ask.
Sravana month is very good for Siva worship. - In case you are a siva bhakta .
Otherwise there is a particular mantra called Gandarva raaja mantra exclusively ment for getting the girl of once choice. yhe mantra goes like this;
Om Gandharva raaja Viswaavase Mamabilaashidhaam Kanyam Prayacha Swaahaa.
(dobble 'aa' are long souinded and singla 'a' short sounded.)
Meaning: "O ghandarva King ( by name) Visvavasu get me the girl I desire".
To be chanted 330 times or more for sitting. Do regularly Once a day minimum or twise a day or thrice a day.
More number of jaba better.
This is all there is. Nothiong more to it by way of rictual etc. Just chant it daily.
For any mantra to work bhakti is a prerequisit. there is no merit in mechanical repitition.
Regards,
K.Ravindran
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07-18-2008, 08:03 PM
Dear Sri Ravindran,
I have some additional doubts which, hopefully, you can clear.
1) Have you heard of anyone who got his wish fulfilled by chanting the Gandharva mantra? If so, how many times did that person chant the mantra?
2) In the mantra you gave, do we pronounce 'Prayacha' as 'pra' as we pronounce it in pramod, 'ya' as we pronounce it in yama and 'cha' as we pronounce it in chart? If any one of them is pronounced differently, please let me know.
3) I've heard that doing puja in Adi Parashakthi temple wil also fulfill my desire. Is that true? If yes, could you please recommend the best temple to perform the puja?
4) I googled up some mantras and saw that quite a few people say that chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namo Narayana' or 'Om Namo Bhagavate vasudevaya' about 1,25,000 times will fulfill all desires. Is that trueDo you know if it is true?
5) I cannot sit on the floor for long. So, I generally sit in a chair and chant mantras. Does chanting mantra by sitting on a chair give the same result as sitting on the floor, in some asana? or, do you feel I should sit in an asana for as long as I can and then get up and sit in a chair?
Please advice.
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Dear Ravindran,
Thank you for your advice. Just wanted to know the number that I should aim for (such as 10,000 times or 1,25,000 times in this one month) to attain siddhi of this mantra. Also, is there a way to specify the name of the girl during the chanting of the mantra? I just want to make sure I'm married to 'The Girl' I like, not any girl.
My ishta deva is Balaji/Vishnu although of late, I've been totally immersed in Sri Rudram and Lord Shiva. My ishta devata is Goddess Durga. How do I please them? (the mantras I know for these gods/goddess are: Om Namo Narayana/Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya and Om Dum Durgayai Namaha)
I'd also like to provide some background information regarding my problem:
I'm in a situation where I don't know whether to continue seeking help from a spiritual person (I've known for the past 6 months through newspaper ad) or not.
He has helped me in the past, in making a decision for my sister's marriage. My sister chose to marry a person from a different community. So, I was exploring ways to prevent her from doing so. That is when I saw his ad and approached him. He performed a mini puja (some tantric thing, I guess). He said he can prepare something that I would mix in a drink and give my sister. In 48 hours, it'll show its effect and my sister will feel develop reversion for that person. He guaranteed that much. But, he also said that the person my sister chose is a nice person and advised me to let my sister marry him.
Another spiritual guru that I've had for a long time had actually told me this (that the person my sister chose is good) beforehand. So, I was slightly relieved that he wasn't entirely commercial and did have the ability to give advice without his financial gain in mind. I chose to not go ahead with my endeavor to stop my sister from marrying that person. This was nearly 3 months ago.
Now, I happen to like a nice girl who's profile I saw on a marriage portal, but she (and her family) are not interested. Her father said that the age difference is too high (8.5 years) to consider our alliance. Because, I'd like to marry this girl, I consulted the person whom I approached earlier regarding my sister's marriage. He said he can certainly help me by changing this girl's mind so that she and her family are receptive to our alliance.
He said it'll take a min of 16 days and a maximum of 40 days in order accomplish this task. He also said that he'll start the puja tonight. That caught my attention and arose a suspicion about what kind of method he is using to accomplish this task.
As far as I know, any 'good' puja is performed during the day. So, when he said he'll start the puja in the night, I became suspicious of his means. I had previously asked him if he performs black magic. He said no; and, all he does is white magic, which is a rare skill which, his guru imparted to only 12 people (in all of south india), including this person. (by the way, his fees for this puja is one lakh rupees; I'm mentioning it as an after thought because, the issue here is whether he is adopting good or bad ways to achieve the goal)
Now, in the scenario where he is performing black magic or some other unwelcome means of doing the task, I'm worried and scared if I'll beget bad karma. Is my fear/concern valid? I really like the girl and want to marry her (no dowry or anything such thing). Do you think I should go ahead and continue seeking help from this person? (Of course, assuming that he'll indeed succeed in his effort to bring our alliance to fruition.) In the event that going ahead with this is wrong, and I still chose to do it, is/are there any way(s) to get rid of the ill-effects/bad karma that I would befall me?
The resaon why I've provided a detailed account of events is that I want to make sure I don't suffer from the ill-effects (if any) of my action (if it is wrong, that is).
Please advice and guide me.
Thank You Sir.
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07-20-2008, 10:23 AM
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Hello Ravindran,
I tried sending you a private message but, I am not entitled to using it because my total number of posting is below the minimum required posts.
Is there any mantra or tantra or anything that I can do for the next one month (before the end of shraavan period) to make my wish (of marrying the girl I like) come true?
I'm a spiritual person myself; so, kindly show a way to fulfilling my desire.
Thank You.
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Hi ravikishore,
Since i am facing some problems I would like to suggest that don't seek for any spiritual help to get girl of your choice. Just go and talk to the girl or her parents and it is a possibility that you end in happily married life with that girl.
I also have done some research in this field and yes it is possible to attract partner of your choice by doing some rituals. But when you are doing these kind of rituals (like reciting some mantra) then girl whom you are trying to attract her psychic aura will get disturbed by your ritual (black/white magic) you can say that spiritual force will trouble/disturb that girl(it does not matters if it is black magic or white magic both do same harm and believe me in some cases white magic does more loss to people) because against nature some force is forcing her to fall in love with some person,you may end in marrying that girl but you have to face some bad consequences also girl will face various mental problems. I don't know how can one person give troubles to other person whom he claims he loves.
Just go by the rules of nature/god and if she is destined to be with you she will be with you.
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07-21-2008, 02:36 AM
Dear Ravikishore,
Dont be too rictualistic in sadana, and dont get trubled with number where exactly you sit etc. Just do it as much as possible and with comfort. In all these matters it is your own mind that is working and producing the results. Mind has that power. You just has to cultivate it.
The word prayacha is to be prounced as you have shown in your prounciation . You have understood correctly. Pra as in prashant, ya as in yamuna or yama, cha as in chandra, or chandighar.
In the place of Mamabilashida kanya you can substitute the girls name if you like. Otherwise also the mantra is suppose to work as your ming knows who you are aiming at.
The best temple for any god or goddess is Your Own Heart. I am not joking or lightining the issue in any way. I mean it. God resides in your heart. It is the ultimate spiritual truth. Worship your favourate god or goddess there. That is the best temple.
There is a story about it. Once there was Sufi master whose fame grew owing to his wisdom and ablity to advise people. His fame even reached Gods ears and one day god decided to take his advice. God's problem was that he had no privasy all the time people disturbed him for this or that demand and he could find a hiding place. His own devine advisers are of no use as they advised him to go to some unapproachable place top of a mountain , in a remote island or some thick forest. But in due course people reached every where there were no unapproachable place anywhere.
When God visited the sufi master and put his problem to the saint the saint advised him: Hide in a place that people hardly could suspect - their own hearts. God took up that advise and hide in the heart of creature and from then on people are in perpectual search of god in every place in the world unsuccessfully.
You perhaps are not in a mood to listern to stories and advisees. I know that you want to win your women. But I tend to aggre with the good advise given bu Dhuruva on this. Not because of anything else - the truble you cause to her or the karmic outcome etc.- but becauste of a very simple practical expreiencial wisdom of people. The same person ypou desire now desperately will become just an ordinary person tomarrow. And even a hazell. the people who are deeply in love sooner or latter will start getting in to the nerve of each other. Love is bound to disapper. Many love marrages end up in diverse. This is a fact and i am sharring this with you not to discourage you or frighten you but to give you practical wishdom. If you wait suffeciently long the fgeeling will go from your mind.
Pray to god and leave it to god. If it is good for you it will happen . Otherwise forget it. - Or take it easy.
I know that at this point this advise is very difficult to follow. You will desperetely would want to force the issue. But still, keep my words with you. I am an experienced man and once felt the way you feel now. But I saw my stupidity latter and an happy man now with out my foolish youth ful desire fulfilled. .
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07-21-2008, 11:21 AM
Dear Ravindran Sir,
Thank you for your kind words, sir. I shall continue my prayer to god, using heart meditation. I do understand that what appeals today will not, tomorrow. However, as you correctly analyzed, it is difficult to brush it aside right now. Maybe, my prayers to god will lead to that realization, or god might grant my wish.
I would like to touch upon the matter of karmic outcome, though. My biggest concern, which my moralistic advisers have also told me, is will God give me lot of suffering, misery and a cruel death in this birth and also lot of suffering and misery in my next births, simply because I 'influenced' the girl and her family's mind and went against nature? (my intention is pure; I intend to marry the girl and provide her a good life; not use her for personal gratification and discard her later)
Kindly let me know the answer to the above question, sir.
With Kind Regards,
Ravikishore
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Dear Ravikishore,
Dont be too rictualistic in sadana, and dont get trubled with number where exactly you sit etc. Just do it as much as possible and with comfort. In all these matters it is your own mind that is working and producing the results. Mind has that power. You just has to cultivate it.
The word prayacha is to be prounced as you have shown in your prounciation . You have understood correctly. Pra as in prashant, ya as in yamuna or yama, cha as in chandra, or chandighar.
In the place of Mamabilashida kanya you can substitute the girls name if you like. Otherwise also the mantra is suppose to work as your ming knows who you are aiming at.
The best temple for any god or goddess is Your Own Heart. I am not joking or lightining the issue in any way. I mean it. God resides in your heart. It is the ultimate spiritual truth. Worship your favourate god or goddess there. That is the best temple.
There is a story about it. Once there was Sufi master whose fame grew owing to his wisdom and ablity to advise people. His fame even reached Gods ears and one day god decided to take his advice. God's problem was that he had no privasy all the time people disturbed him for this or that demand and he could find a hiding place. His own devine advisers are of no use as they advised him to go to some unapproachable place top of a mountain , in a remote island or some thick forest. But in due course people reached every where there were no unapproachable place anywhere.
When God visited the sufi master and put his problem to the saint the saint advised him: Hide in a place that people hardly could suspect - their own hearts. God took up that advise and hide in the heart of creature and from then on people are in perpectual search of god in every place in the world unsuccessfully.
You perhaps are not in a mood to listern to stories and advisees. I know that you want to win your women. But I tend to aggre with the good advise given bu Dhuruva on this. Not because of anything else - the truble you cause to her or the karmic outcome etc.- but becauste of a very simple practical expreiencial wisdom of people. The same person ypou desire now desperately will become just an ordinary person tomarrow. And even a hazell. the people who are deeply in love sooner or latter will start getting in to the nerve of each other. Love is bound to disapper. Many love marrages end up in diverse. This is a fact and i am sharring this with you not to discourage you or frighten you but to give you practical wishdom. If you wait suffeciently long the fgeeling will go from your mind.
Pray to god and leave it to god. If it is good for you it will happen . Otherwise forget it. - Or take it easy.
I know that at this point this advise is very difficult to follow. You will desperetely would want to force the issue. But still, keep my words with you. I am an experienced man and once felt the way you feel now. But I saw my stupidity latter and an happy man now with out my foolish youth ful desire fulfilled. .
Regards,
K.Ravindran
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07-21-2008, 11:45 PM
Dear Ravikishore,
Dont be harrased by guilt fealing. You have not done anything gravely wrong to be called a sin. You were naturally aspering for a girl you wanted. and your behaviour is a natural outcome of that emotion. Havent you heard all are justified in love and war? I am not justifying any wrong doing by people - I am only saying that certain behaviours in love is very natural and god has made us that way. Kama Deva is equally a god and created by Bhrama. If you notice he has weppens in his hands- though soft wepens - Sugarcane bow and flower arrows. The arrows though made of flowers are not to be taken lightly- they are deadly wepens nonthe less. Each arrow causes a deadly harasemant. One causes severe restlessness one cannot be at peace at all. another causes burning of our body. Another causes fainting , yet another causes Even death. It is all terrible harrasement And GHamafdeva is made that way to give this harasment. The man or women in love is like this . He or she is hit by Kama devas arrow suffers on the one hand and Acts like Kama deva And stages a war on the object of desire onthe other hand It is all the very nature of love.
God wont punish us for what he himself made us do.
However if you feel you have done something really wrong, to the girl and her family You genunely appologise to that girl and her family . Have a open talk. If you are really sincere and open You will feel much at rest after this. If for any reason you cannot do this Address to your god and ask a sinsire forgiveness. If you repent with your heart sinserly, with a resolve that you will never mindlessly repeat them , all your sins will be forgiven and bad karmas will be neatly wiped away. God can do that. Dont be guilty for what you have done out of your innocence of love.
Love is a lession. The experience itself is important. We become wiser by this. You are lucky that you have experienced the pain of love.
Perhaps love came to you to turn your self spiritual. To turn you towards god. ( this is what happened to me). Follow up that clue and that path Every thing will be alright and you will be happy in future that all this happened to you.
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07-22-2008, 04:12 PM
Dear Ravindran Sir,
Thank you very much for the words of encouragement. It definitely uplifts my morale. My concern stems from the fact that if I go to the tantric who said he'll help and assuming that he manages to 'change' the mind of the girl and her family, will God give me lot of suffering, misery and a cruel death in this birth and also lot of suffering and misery in my next births, simply because I went against nature?
The father of the girl did not agree to the marriage so if I use occult to change his mind, then is that not deceiving him? Is it not going against his wishes (or nature) by forceful means? Am I depriving her of a better life-partner by 'influencing' her mind? Will God give me a cruel death and suffering in subsequent births if I do this? These are the questions that are troubling me. I've been under so much anxiety and stress lately that I'm finding it very difficult to concentrate while praying. So, I feel inclined to go that person (who'll do the tantra for me). But I feel guilty that I'm having to resort to this. So, kindly let me know if it would be okay to seek the help of the person who's willing to help me and then pray to god for forgiveness and perform community service and help the needy and poor, the rest of my life.
Please peruse post #29 for the information I posted about the person who'll be helping me.
Thank You.
Kind Regards,
Ravikishore
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07-23-2008, 02:38 AM
Dear Ravikishore,
I personally dont think anything wrong to employ tantric science to achieve what we want. It is a science. Just like mankind invented aeroplane to fulfill its desire to fly, And there is no violation natural laws or forcing nature if you fly in an aeroplane. Similarly Tantra is a Science and is a wonderful invention to fulfill human needs. Employing it is no sin - the purpose of employing it may be sinful or holy.
If changing somebody's mind is is called forcing against nature we all the time do that - by our regular conversation where we employ convincing argument, marketing and advertisement where the agency convinces the customers to buy things they dont actually need, and all ththat kind of regular things. Do you consider if you are convincing your point of view to another who has a different view by logical argumentation a sin? -No .But did you forced to change his original mind? -Yes. If you bare behaving very nice to a girl do all the nicest things to her talking sweetly to win her, are you not manipulating her mind? Yes. But it is wrong to do that? No. That is what you should behave if you have any scope to win her. Is int it?
When we do all the time therse things regularly - trying to control other's mind, where is the question of sin comming in to picture if you are employing a science to achieve the same result more effectively?
If you are trying to win a girl with your nicest behaviour you are manipulating her mind. That is fine and you have to do that if you want to win her. You dont wait doing nothing till she autimatically on her own fall in love with you. That wont happen. Tou will have to work for it - Right?
If this is the case what is the problem of employing more effective method of influncing her. Why do you have to confine stupidly to methods which does not work ? If there is some other methods more effective then your present behaviour you will have to learn and employ them isint it? If tantra is that effective method then is int it is wise employ that?
It is a common belief in many people that employing tantra to make some one fall in love with you is forcing that person unnaturally and if you love that person that person should love you naturally out of her free will. If that is the formula then you cannot do anything but passively wait till naturally that person fall for you with out any attempt from your side - you cannot even express your love to her as that is an emotional manipulation. (If you tell her you love her it causes emotional disturbances in her mind at least initially) . So you cannot do that even. See the stupidity in this " no force" argument? Everything is forcing only. Hence employing an effective method of forcing is no sin.
There is no sin or holiness in the method itself. ( Some people think employing tantra itself is sin- this is just an ignorance) What makes it a sin or holy is your intention behind it. If you are in love and planning to take care of her throughout your life then there is no sin. If you are angry with her and planning to take your revenge by making her love you and then do something terrible to her, then it is a sin. It is not the method but your intention that makes it sinful or holy.
However , having said all this, I sense a guilt in you in employing the tantric method. If that is the case dont do it. It will haunt you like a ghost throughout your life. It will never let you be peaseful. Why should take up on yourself such a terrible consequence?
Moreover these tantrics - most of them you find in common place - are no genune tantric atall. They are just con-men surviving on the innocence of people, to make a living. I dont know the perticular person you have in mind but I know for certain, that genune tantrics are extreemly rare , and they dont live with common people and make a business of ther knowledge and accomplishment- they are not in need of mony. The original purpose of tantra is Kundalini awakening and uniting with god. And genune tantrics know this and strive for that in places where people dont distrube them. It is not at all easy to find them at the first place , Even if you find them it is not at all easy to make them aggree to work for your petty purpose - unless they see a great purpose in it. The ones who readily aggrees for you to do all sort of petty things for you are likely to be con-men. This is my experience from my long regorous research in this field
Of course I am not discouraging you from trying. Give it a try provided you can offord the price and no guilt- not even an iota of guilt - associated with it. Do it as an expriment. And if it works let me know as I am interested in meeting such genunely powerful people.
Regards,
K.Ravindran
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Dear Ravikishore,
I personally dont think anything wrong to employ tantric science to achieve what we want. It is a science. Just like mankind invented aeroplane to fulfill its desire to fly, And there is no violation natural laws or forcing nature if you fly in an aeroplane. Similarly Tantra is a Science and is a wonderful invention to fulfill human needs. Employing it is no sin - the purpose of employing it may be sinful or holy.
If changing somebody's mind is is called forcing against nature we all the time do that - by our regular conversation where we employ convincing argument, marketing and advertisement where the agency convinces the customers to buy things they dont actually need, and all ththat kind of regular things. Do you consider if you are convincing your point of view to another who has a different view by logical argumentation a sin? -No .But did you forced to change his original mind? -Yes. If you bare behaving very nice to a girl do all the nicest things to her talking sweetly to win her, are you not manipulating her mind? Yes. But it is wrong to do that? No. That is what you should behave if you have any scope to win her. Is int it?
When we do all the time therse things regularly - trying to control other's mind, where is the question of sin comming in to picture if you are employing a science to achieve the same result more effectively?
If you are trying to win a girl with your nicest behaviour you are manipulating her mind. That is fine and you have to do that if you want to win her. You dont wait doing nothing till she autimatically on her own fall in love with you. That wont happen. Tou will have to work for it - Right?
If this is the case what is the problem of employing more effective method of influncing her. Why do you have to confine stupidly to methods which does not work ? If there is some other methods more effective then your present behaviour you will have to learn and employ them isint it? If tantra is that effective method then is int it is wise employ that?
It is a common belief in many people that employing tantra to make some one fall in love with you is forcing that person unnaturally and if you love that person that person should love you naturally out of her free will. If that is the formula then you cannot do anything but passively wait till naturally that person fall for you with out any attempt from your side - you cannot even express your love to her as that is an emotional manipulation. (If you tell her you love her it causes emotional disturbances in her mind at least initially) . So you cannot do that even. See the stupidity in this " no force" argument? Everything is forcing only. Hence employing an effective method of forcing is no sin.
There is no sin or holiness in the method itself. ( Some people think employing tantra itself is sin- this is just an ignorance) What makes it a sin or holy is your intention behind it. If you are in love and planning to take care of her throughout your life then there is no sin. If you are angry with her and planning to take your revenge by making her love you and then do something terrible to her, then it is a sin. It is not the method but your intention that makes it sinful or holy.
However , having said all this, I sense a guilt in you in employing the tantric method. If that is the case dont do it. It will haunt you like a ghost throughout your life. It will never let you be peaseful. Why should take up on yourself such a terrible consequence?
Moreover these tantrics - most of them you find in common place - are no genune tantric atall. They are just con-men surviving on the innocence of people, to make a living. I dont know the perticular person you have in mind but I know for certain, that genune tantrics are extreemly rare , and they dont live with common people and make a business of ther knowledge and accomplishment- they are not in need of mony. The original purpose of tantra is Kundalini awakening and uniting with god. And genune tantrics know this and strive for that in places where people dont distrube them. It is not at all easy to find them at the first place , Even if you find them it is not at all easy to make them aggree to work for your petty purpose - unless they see a great purpose in it. The ones who readily aggrees for you to do all sort of petty things for you are likely to be con-men. This is my experience from my long regorous research in this field
Of course I am not discouraging you from trying. Give it a try provided you can offord the price and no guilt- not even an iota of guilt - associated with it. Do it as an expriment. And if it works let me know as I am interested in meeting such genunely powerful people.
Regards,
K.Ravindran
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Are you trying to use him as some sort of "Tiger Bate"???
Tantra should only be used for one's self progress and not to achieve worldly pleasures. Your early posts show that you have gone through some tantrik texts and distributing Mantras to some newbie person so that he can use it as a weapon against some innocent girl. Tantra is very deep and practical science even a small mistake can make a person suffer for many births. So if you have only gone through some books and still searching for a guru...plz do not give these type of advice to some person. Just remember Tantra means both Siva and Sakti and alluring a girl by using Tantra gives very short term pleasure and extreme long term of hell.
As for ravikishore keep away from HALF FILLED PEOPLE HAVING HALF KNOWLEDGE as they are most dangerous in this kaliyug. Every action has equal and opposite reaction this is the nature's law so keep in mind this law while using these unnatural means.
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07-23-2008, 07:47 AM
Dear mnsamitra,
I am asuming you are a women ( I might be wrong).
My appologies to you if I have in some way insulted or created anxity your feminine sensitivity. If you read my advise to ravikishor carefully, I did maintain that original purpose of tantra is for spiritual purpose of raising kundalini and of god realization. If you see my previous advice to him I asked him to turn to god and leave it to god.
One of my purpose of my talk to him is to releave him of his guilt. It is very theraputic and needed for him in this situation. You need to understand my posting in context.
Now comming to tantra proper and your frightened attitude towards it. It is a science and as you have rightly mentiomned there is siva and sakti in it. All tantras are works of siva and I respect Siva. I dont think he has revealed some evil knowledge to the world - as some people prefer to think . Do you think Siva is evil as he revealed tantra to man kind? It is a science. From that perspective If I am giving knowledge to some one there is nothing wrong in it. It is a different matter if people have fear and prejudices towards certain knowlegdhge forms.
I know how hard I strived to get that knowledge due to people's secretiveness. I dont want to be like that. I will give away knowledge freely. So If i am freely discussing this knowledge with people who wants to know, no one should havew any problems with it. For me Knowledge is holy.
As to your own understanding that Tantra is a deep since I aggree. But your fear and idea of sin and suffering associated with it I dont buy. It is the reaction of an frightened mind that does not like any one to have power . I dont belong to that school. I believe that every body should know everything and every body should be powerful.
When I said I am searching for a guru, I said in a context - I meant about a human guru - I still maintain that there are no such powerful tantric gurus in the streets of any human settlement - that is the point I was making. Not that I dont have a guru, and my knowledge is bookish - If I say that I say for being modest.
I do have a guru - a grand guru . My guru is Lord Siva.
I dont know who you are . If you are someown belonging to tantric tradition, If you are advising me on that authority please let me know. I would only be too happy to learn reverently from you. But if you dont know anything about tantra and are just reacting out of your fear and ignorance of the subject matter, I suggest you dont give your prejudiced view to stop people trying on this science.
My advises are safe and there is no danger of anysort in it.
In any case , once again If my posting has provaoked any insecurities and fear in your femanine mind, my appologies persolally to you.
(It doesnot mean I will stop sharring my knowledge with those who seek it - I am not offering that guarantee.)
Regards,.
K.Ravindran
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07-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Hello, Mr. Ravindran.
I'd like to express my gratitude for you and other members for sharing the personal experiences, knowledge and thoughts about tantra. Even some controversial positions that can be threatening for our "common sense" all posts come from the very truth of the heart. That is the most important point for me. The sharing of the spiritual experience with sincerity. I believe that all even mistakes made under sincere and conscious seek of the truth always bring benefits. Please don't stop to share your knowledge.
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luciana
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