In defence of Hindu gurus

01-09-2006, 04:48 PM

font-family:Arial">When Marxist leader Brinda Karat
attacks Swami Ramdev, she is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is
attacking Hinduism in general.
font-family:Arial">This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is
against all gurus.
font-family:Arial">Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed
some sin for which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line
of fire!
Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it
font-family:Arial">Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi
Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba.
Amritanandamayi
has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated
government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar is periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib
Godman' etc.
font-family:Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have
to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy.
Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what
stands between their ambition for absolute power in India
(and eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian
Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people
of India,
who constitute 80 per cent of this country.
font-family:Arial">Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has
a natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names
throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This
humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the
skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not
in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to
generation.
Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right?
font-family:Arial">Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige
Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations.
font-family:Arial">Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya,
before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back
to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate
Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total
independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up.
font-family:Arial">Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,
ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken
up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes
beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with
superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light.
font-family:Arial">Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of
years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better,
more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find
a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.
font-family:Arial">Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the
most humble to the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond
superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or
Guruma of Ganeshpuri.
font-family:Arial">And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most
ancient medical system in India
still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants
and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic
origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients?
font-family:Arial">In India
today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose profits go to
Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when Ayurvedic medicine is
becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, after being disillusioned
by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines.
font-family:Arial">We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today.
Some Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all
of whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against
Hinduism and Hindu leaders.
font-family:Arial">In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself
criticised Sri Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not
to practice Art of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief
operations in Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar nearly came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of
networking and uniting their efforts.
font-family:Arial">And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to
death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or
Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown
into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming
'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the
Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can commit
any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still end up
as Union ministers and get positive press coverage.
font-family:Arial">The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been
its disunity -- and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did
not conquer India,
it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The
same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was
betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats.
font-family:Arial">I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the
manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task
to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great
puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth.
font-family:Arial">Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate
with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that
Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that
we see today.
font-family:Arial">The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all
Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam
together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has
become irrelevant in Russia,
Germany, and also in China. But the
poor Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves.
font-family:Arial">Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai
Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of
Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot
mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.
font-family:Arial">Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of
mind compared to some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a
Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu
leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and
teachers of all religions, both from India and the West.
font-family:Arial">It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep
its independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and
issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one
billion over the world.
font-family:Arial">Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is
Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to
understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of
India, and for the future of humanity.
font-family:Arial">I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all
those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to
Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus
who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India
and beseech them to hear my prayer:
Hindus leaders, unite,
if you want eternal Dharma to survive.
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01-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The
Kanchi Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba.
Amritanandamayi has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala
Communist-dominated
government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is
periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc. May I
be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is that for
Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called religion 'the
opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands between their
ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the triumphant return of
Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism
has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who constitute 80 per cent of
this country. Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a
natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names
throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This
humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the
skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not
in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to
generation. Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course,
the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down
hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on
the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra
Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the
early 1900s by the moderate Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when
he was only demanding total independence from the British long before Gandhi
took it up. Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,
ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken
up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes
beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has
nothing to do with superstition and conmanship: it is all about science,
knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands
of years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a
better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today,
you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. Satya Sai Baba cannot
have millions of disciples from the most humble to the Presidents of India
without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi,
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda
Karat target
Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system in India still in practice, the first
medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants and minerals offer the best
cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice
plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic
medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at
a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western
countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed
medicines. We are witnessing an
interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, some Christians, some
Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have nothing in common and
often hate each other are united against Hinduism and Hindu leaders. In
contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art of
Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in
Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came
to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting
their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was
maligned to death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on
him, or Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he
was thrown into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of
coming 'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like
the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can
commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still
end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The greatest curse
of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and more than that --
its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India, it was given to
them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The same is true of
Islam: the
last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the
Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the
manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task
to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great
puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary
for each guru to communicate with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the
greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than
'each one for his own' that we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his
word is
binding on all Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds
all of Islam together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even
if it has become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor
Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take
the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram,
and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.
Again, in all
humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some of these great
gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of
at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted,
maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all
these, the one who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India
and the West. It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its
independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue
edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion
over the world. Then and then only can
this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the
outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be
preserved for the future of India, and for the future of humanity. I bow down
to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not mentioned, to Swami
Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri Aurobindo, the great
avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus who have graced over the
ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India and beseech them to hear my
prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive.
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01-11-2006, 08:43 PM

What u said sound fairly true, but why dont u leave this decisions to
the gurus. Im sure they are well aware of this, more aware then we
are. I say so only bcoz im a man of little trust when something has
been said by someone whom i dont know, someone whos not guru.

(And yes, a guru doesnt need to tell anyone i am guru ("sidhast ko
kisi ko bataney kee jaroorat nahin hoti ke wo sidh hai")

So lets leave it to gurudev. u raised a point, ok fine, but lets keep
it there and listen to what gurdev has to say about this.

--- In issplist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Vikram Korde"
wrote:
>
> When Marxist leader Brinda Karat
> attacks Swami
Ramdev, she
> is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is attacking Hinduism in
general.
>
>
> This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is against
all gurus.
>
> Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed some
sin for
> which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line of
fire!
>
> Swami Ramdev:
Yoga does
> it
>
> Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi
> Shankaracharya
has already
> been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba
> . Amritanandamayi
> has to live
under the
> constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated government.
> Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi
> Shankar is
periodically
> targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc.
>
> May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to
understand is
> that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao
called
> religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what
stands
> between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually
the
> triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists
believe)
> is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of
India, who
> constitute 80 per cent of this country.
>
> Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a
natural
> understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names
throughout
> the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This
humble
> farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper
than the
> skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is
inbred, it is
> not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from
> generation to generation.
>
> Ramdev vs Karat --
who's
> right?
>
> Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda
Karat
> and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations.
>
> Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before
him on
> Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to
Sri
> Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate
> Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only
demanding
> total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up.
>
> Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,
ritualistic
> ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken
up today
> by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which
goes beyond
> the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do
with
> superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and
light.
>
> Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years
how to
> harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better,
more
> healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today,
you find a
> lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.
>
> Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most
humble to the
> Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond
superstition. So
> goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of
> Ganeshpuri.
>
> And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient
medical system
> in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000
years ago
> that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses
have a
> psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on
patients?
>
> In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop,
whose
> profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time
when
> Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western
countries,
> after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed
medicines.
>
> We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some
Communists,
> some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of
whom have
> nothing in common and often hate each other are united against
Hinduism and
> Hindu leaders.
>
> In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised
Sri Sri
> Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to
practice Art
> of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief
operations in
> Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
nearly
> came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of
networking and
> uniting their efforts.
>
> And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or
> Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or
Satya Sai
> Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was
thrown into
> jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of
coming 'from
> a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like
the
> Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians
can
> commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and
they
> still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage.
>
> The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its
disunity --
> and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not
conquer
> India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous
of each
> other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that
of
> Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats.
>
> I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the
manifestation
> of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to
fulfill
> and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great
puzzle that
> is this ignorant and suffering earth.
>
> Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with
each other.
> But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu
leaders
> unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we
see
> today.
>
> The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all
Catholics.
> Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam
together.
> Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has
become
> irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor
Hindus have
> nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves.
>
> Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba,
> Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of
Ganeshpuri,
> the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot
mention here,
> it runs in hundreds of millions.
>
> Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind
compared to
> some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme
> Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular
Hindu
> leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri
Sri Ravi
> Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples
and
> teachers of all religions, both from India and the West.
>
> It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its
> independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year
and
> issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in
India and one
> billion over the world.
>
> Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is
Hinduism, this
> eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand
this mad
> earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and
for the
> future of humanity.
>
> I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those
not
> mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism,
to Sri
> Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the
great gurus
> who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which
is India
> and beseech them to hear my prayer:
> Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive.
>

01-14-2006, 04:07 AM

10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus
have to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1
enemy. Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian
Communists, what stands between their ambition for absolute power in India (and
eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian
Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people
of India, who constitute 80 per cent of this country. Yet, the humble farmer
from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural understanding of the
universality of God, who takes many names throughout the ages who could be
Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble farmer
possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the skin and the
mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not in his head,
not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to generation.
Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course, the English-speaking media is too
happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of
accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before
him
on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri
Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate
Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total
independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. Accusations
against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic ignorance, date
back from British missionaries and have been taken up today by the Communists.
Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond the rituals and
becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with superstition and
conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a
science that has known for thousands of years how to harness breath and use it
for
controlling the mind, for a better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If
you read Osho's books today, you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even
light. Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to
the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So
goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of
Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient
medical system in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000
years ago that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses
have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice
plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic
medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at
a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western
countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed
medicines. We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some
Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of
whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against
Hinduism and Hindu
leaders. In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri
Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art
of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in
Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came
to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting
their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to
death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or
Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown
into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming
'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace
to a cave like the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian
politicians can commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them,
and they still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The
greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and
more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India,
it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The
same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was
betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious
and unfathomable in the manifestation of the
Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill and that the
combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that is this ignorant
and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate
with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that
Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that
we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all
Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam
together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has
become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus
have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take the
combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram,
and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.
Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some
of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual
Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India,
be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri
Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and
teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. It should be a
non-political body, and each group would keep its independence but
nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue edicts, which
would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion over the
world. Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism,
this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this
mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the
future of humanity. I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all
those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to
Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus
who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India
and beseech them to hear my prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal
Dharma to survive.
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01-14-2006, 04:13 PM

Jay Shiv Shambho!Har Har Mahadev!

Hi, let me introduce first as a youngster from a Hindu
Family,

I really dont know whether this mesage will go in
right hands & the reader interprets the message in
right manner , but let me express my feelings in this
issue...

See the names which are indicated the message is
definately having their own respect at their own
places.

But have you notices that where is Hinduism in that
.....?

Dont go so far long in past just see from our history
....

Where is the Hinduism? To whom we should call as a
Hindu in todays date? Its really a big question
infront of me...

I really belive that this situation has came due to
some of our so called (Fraud) Gurus & the Majour role
played by the Media ofcourse.

I dont know what do you think, but let me tell you
that thses topics are really captured by International
News readers from each class & society & accordingly
they interprets the total Indians are like that
only... are we really like that?

Pls. remember that that this interpretation is not
only for any one but for all the persons all Indian's.

As per my HINUISM defination to whomsoever staying in
the India (HINDUSTAN) should be called as a HINDU
without any casts barrier.

Ofcourse I am not against any Dharma you called them
as Muslim, Christian but if we go to the foundation of
these Dharma's & observes it without doing any
partiality, we will come to know... & ourself will
define them as the Respective Group of Followers (
different ways to reach to the GOD ).

for example even in Muslim's with Respect to the Holy
Kurana they belive the Prophets before Muhammad & also
in same fashion to the Bible.

Do all the respective Dharma Granthas tell you to
Quarrel with each other , do they tell us to appose
each other, do they tell us to kill any human being
for our any personal gain.

They all guide the Human beings to become a perfect,
to enrich our's & other's lives with the peace & grow
together.

Really I belive that todays date these all the things
including the Huminity has vanished from all human
beings & some you can say many people are using this
Dharma Granthas for their own benifit by putting their
evil interpretations infront of the common peoples.
And these PITY common peoples follows them looking
towards their short term gain without using their
brain.

Hari Om.....

--- Vikram Korde wrote:

> When Marxist leader Brinda Karat
>
> attacks Swami Ramdev, she
> is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is
> attacking Hinduism in general.
>
>
> This guru or that guru makes no difference to her;
> she is against all gurus.
>
> Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev
> committed some sin for
> which he is paying. But one of them will be the next
> in the line of fire!
>
>
> Swami Ramdev: Yoga does
> it
>
> Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The
> Kanchi
>
> Shankaracharya has already
> been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba
> .
> Amritanandamayi
>
> has to live under the
> constant shadow of a hostile Kerala
> Communist-dominated government.
> Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi
>
> Shankar is periodically
> targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib
> Godman' etc.
>
> May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian
> gurus have to understand is
> that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1
> enemy. Mao called
> religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian
> Communists, what stands
> between their ambition for absolute power in India
> (and eventually the
> triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as
> Indian Communists believe)
> is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural
> people of India, who
> constitute 80 per cent of this country.
>
> Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil
> Nadu has a natural
> understanding of the universality of God, who takes
> many names throughout
> the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or
> Mohammad. This humble
> farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a
> something deeper than the
> skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This
> knowledge is inbred, it is
> not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his
> or her genes from
> generation to generation.
>
>
> Ramdev vs Karat -- who's
> right?
>
> Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy
> to oblige Brinda Karat
> and come down hard on gurus with all kind of
> accusations.
>
> Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi
> Shankaracharya, before him on
> Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can
> even go back to Sri
> Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the
> moderate
> Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he
> was only demanding
> total independence from the British long before
> Gandhi took it up.
>
> Accusations against Hinduism of superstition,
> brainwashing, ritualistic
> ignorance, date back from British missionaries and
> have been taken up today
> by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the
> Hinduism which goes beyond
> the rituals and becomes universal spirituality --
> has nothing to do with
> superstition and conmanship: it is all about
> science, knowledge and light.
>
> Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for
> thousands of years how to
> harness breath and use it for controlling the mind,
> for a better, more
> healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's
> books today, you find a
> lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.
>
> Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples
> from the most humble to the
> Presidents of India without 'something' which is
> beyond superstition. So
> goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar,
> Ramdev, or Guruma of
> Ganeshpuri.
>
> And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the
> most ancient medical system
> in India still in practice, the first medicine to
> realise 3,000 years ago
> that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that
> many illnesses have a
> psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic
> surgery on patients?
>
> In India today, every third shop is an allopathic
> medical shop, whose
> profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs
> Karat!) at a time when
> Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular
> in Western countries,
> after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other
> heavy-handed medicines.
>
> We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India
> today. Some Communists,
> some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress
> leaders -- all of whom have
> nothing in common and often hate each other are
> united against Hinduism and
> Hindu leaders.
>
> In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev
> himself criticised Sri Sri
> Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his
> followers not to practice Art
> of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami
> relief operations in
> Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri
> Sri Ravi Shankar nearly
> came to blows over who would give relief to whom,
> instead of networking and
> uniting their efforts.
>
> And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was
> maligned to death, or
> Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came
> down on him, or Satya Sai
> Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya
> when he was thrown into
> jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar
> accused him of coming 'from
> a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace
> to a cave like the
> Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet,
> Indian politicians can
> commit any crime, have any number of court cases
> against them, and they
> still end up as Union ministers and get positive
> press coverage.
>
> The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages
> has been its disunity --
> and more than that -- its betraying each other. The
> British did not conquer
> India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu
> princes, jealous of each
> other. The same is true of Islam: the last great
> Hindu empire, that of
> Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the
> Lingayats.
>
> I know there is something mysterious and
> unfathomable in the manifestation
> of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a
> defined task to fulfill
> and that the combined task of all the gurus may
> solve the great puzzle that
> is this ignorant and suffering earth.
>
> Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to
> communicate with each other.
> But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency
> today that Hindu leaders
> unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for
> his own' that we see
> today.
>
> The Catholics have their Pope and his word is
> binding on all Catholics.
> Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds
> all of Islam together.
> Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin,
> even if it has become
> irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China.
> But the poor Hindus have
>
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01-19-2006, 09:40 AM

If a guru is really is a guru, you don't need to defend him. Guru is
higher and mightier than god.