kal bhairav and Bhairo

08-04-2005, 02:40 AM

Can anybody enlighten me on the following.
Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo
Which of these is linked to Lord Shiva?
What are the animal forms of these?
What are the merits of doing sadhana for these?
Does it require to use meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas?
What are the sadhanas related to these?
Which MTYV magazine contains details of these sadhanas?
Please reply in detail.
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08-04-2005, 07:33 AM

rajkumarji i think bhairo and bhairav is same.bhairo is found mostly
in sabar mantras i guess not sure though.

merits of bhairav sadhana are shatru naash,riddance from bhoot
preth,curing diseases and also siddhi in some of the tantra vidyas.

there is no mention of meat etc in bhairav sadhanas published in mtyv
magazine or in the "bhairav sadhana" book.

see sept 2004 mtyv mag.

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> Dear member,
> Can anybody enlighten me on the following.
> Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo
> Which of these is linked to Lord Shiva?
> What are the animal forms of these?
> What are the merits of doing sadhana for these?
> Does it require to use meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas?
> What are the sadhanas related to these?
> Which MTYV magazine contains details of these sadhanas?
> Please reply in detail.
> Thanks in advance.
> SR.Rajkumar.
>
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08-05-2005, 05:27 AM

Dear Raj Kumar,

Bhairav, Bhairo refer to the same deity, Kaal Bhairav would be just
another name for it just like we have multiple names of other
deities like Shiva, Shankar, Mahadev, Bholenath...etc for Lord Shiva.

Bhairav is indeed linked to Shiva, it first imerged from Siva to
punish Brahma for the lie that Brahma uttered. So Bhairav is in fact
an energy of Siva just like say Virbhadra and I would not recommend
meat offerings to Bhairav. In Shiv Purana, shiva explicitly forbids
consumption of meat, I do not see it would be a good idea then to
offer meat and Wine to Bhairav. I have heard wine offerings to
Bhairav but I guess it is becuase of the Tamasic nature of Bhairav
that people thought this deity could be pleased with wine and thus
started the traditon of wine offering

As for the purpose or merits of worshipping this deity...to wipe of
once sin, fulfill once wish especially in context of worldly
pleasures, to word of ill-effects of Rahu, Sani. Would get similar
benefits by worship of Rudra or Siva.

As for sadhanas, I do not know, all I do is chant Om Namaha Shivaya.
It is the all powerful mantra, and if one achieves siddhi of this
mantra, now other sadhana is required and all the problems go
away....but one big problem....how to get siddhi of this
mantra?...repitition of this mantra with comjplete concentration
1.25 lak times with complete concentration and deveotion to Shiva,
this is is quite difficult to do....atleast for me. I have been
trying to develop concentration in my sadhana, but I am always
frustrated and I do not know where to get help. Any help on this
matter from this group will be helpful

BJ

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> Dear member,
> Can anybody enlighten me on the following.
> Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo
> Which of these is linked to Lord Shiva?
> What are the animal forms of these?
> What are the merits of doing sadhana for these?
> Does it require to use meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas?
> What are the sadhanas related to these?
> Which MTYV magazine contains details of these sadhanas?
> Please reply in detail.
> Thanks in advance.
> SR.Rajkumar.
>
>
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08-30-2006, 10:46 AM

Can anyone provide me with the cal up mantra that is used in kali temples? I attend a kali temple in queens NY and I want to learn the call up mantras so bad but I cannot find it anywhere. I know peaces of it from going to the temple but I want to know the whole thing. I want the call up mantra for Kali Ma, Kateri Ma, Kaal Bhairo Baba, Sangani Baba, Muni Spereen baba if possible.

09-05-2006, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Can anyone provide me with the cal up mantra that is used in kali temples? I attend a kali temple in queens NY and I want to learn the call up mantras so bad but I cannot find it anywhere. I know peaces of it from going to the temple but I want to know the whole thing. I want the call up mantra for Kali Ma, Kateri Ma, Kaal Bhairo Baba, Sangani Baba, Muni Spereen baba if possible.

Call up mantras are only give to Pusaries who are trustworthy and who would not use it to call the devatas for their own benefit! If the pujari of your temple in Queens has not given it to you then you should not rely on the internet to get the mantra because it is in Tamil and you do not know if you are calling up devatas or demons. Ask your pujari for the mantra! Rlachman@aol.com

12-11-2006, 05:05 PM

Look through several articles about Kal Bhairo on ths site:

swamiram.com/lj/spirits_main.php

If it is true - then it is terrible mistake to think that they are the same.

Pay attention that the author recognize Kala Bhairava as form of Lord Shiva but says that Kal Bairo is an evil spirit and is not Kala Bhairava.
It is in article:

swamiram.com/lj/articles/kalb5.html

It is not my own opinion. Just an information.
Could you provide some arguments against those articles.

Your arguments shouldn't be just your own opinions that you believe that they are the same. More profound arguments are needed. If possible with links to web sites who are authorities in this field.

12-13-2006, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Call up mantras are only give to Pusaries who are trustworthy and who would not use it to call the devatas for their own benefit! If the pujari of your temple in Queens has not given it to you then you should not rely on the internet to get the mantra because it is in Tamil and you do not know if you are calling up devatas or demons. Ask your pujari for the mantra! Rlachman@aol.com

12-27-2006, 09:07 AM

Hey Lachman, the temple I used to go too in Queens, I was never a part of. I went every sunday and partake in weekly services...I performed various tasks. I live two and half hours away from the temple and i still tried to make it at least every other week when I did go. I thought that I was becoming a part of the temple but I learned that they do not welcome new members or so it seemed, when they had their yearly puja. After Puja was done, they gave out new shirts and doties to all pujaries...and when I when to get one for myself because I thought I was one at that temple because they continuosly gave me something to do, I was told that only pujaries at that temple can get new shirts and doties and from that day forward I have not went back. I do know that the call up mantra is only given to trustworthy pujaries. I guess it is not my time to attain it as of yet. I am a pujari at another temple. My head pujari gave a mantra to me but I think it is the cargam mantra.

01-06-2007, 09:10 AM

MR.Raj kumar ji

i am manoj sharma from ludhiana, Punjab, india. I want to say something about ur query. 1st of all Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo r the same diety. becouse India is a very big country & and diffrent dieties r worshiped with other name in diffrent part of country. according to Tantrik tradition some say the no. of bhairo r 52 & some say the r 64. in tantrik yantra the 8 Bhairva r worshiped as the Driection lord. All of these r linked with Lord Shiva. some scolor says that their is only 1 bhairv but aquir diffrent forms & roop according to wish of the devoty.
the black (some any color) dog is animal forms of bhairv.
- any body can get any thing by this sadhana (from wealth to moksha).
- the use of meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas is used according to ur desire, but u can use black pulse & other things as sbstitute.

Manoj Sharma
Swastik astro point, 35/1 e, model gram, Ludhiana (Punjab), India

madras · 01-11-2007, 09:50 PM

hey my name is ryan i go to a kali temple in canada brampton i kno how to call up all of them but i dont think its a good idea for someone to call up except for a licenced pujari (email me back) (ryan_entereperneur@hotmail.com)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Can anyone provide me with the cal up mantra that is used in kali temples? I attend a kali temple in queens NY and I want to learn the call up mantras so bad but I cannot find it anywhere. I know peaces of it from going to the temple but I want to know the whole thing. I want the call up mantra for Kali Ma, Kateri Ma, Kaal Bhairo Baba, Sangani Baba, Muni Spereen baba if possible.

madras · 01-11-2007, 09:52 PM

izz dis shawn wah u sayin itzz ryan email me bak

madras · 01-11-2007, 09:55 PM

well what those ppl did werent right because any one could be a pujari all you have to do is talk to the head but nevermind that ur already one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Hey Lachman, the temple I used to go too in Queens, I was never a part of. I went every sunday and partake in weekly services...I performed various tasks. I live two and half hours away from the temple and i still tried to make it at least every other week when I did go. I thought that I was becoming a part of the temple but I learned that they do not welcome new members or so it seemed, when they had their yearly puja. After Puja was done, they gave out new shirts and doties to all pujaries...and when I when to get one for myself because I thought I was one at that temple because they continuosly gave me something to do, I was told that only pujaries at that temple can get new shirts and doties and from that day forward I have not went back. I do know that the call up mantra is only given to trustworthy pujaries. I guess it is not my time to attain it as of yet. I am a pujari at another temple. My head pujari gave a mantra to me but I think it is the cargam mantra.

01-17-2007, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Look through several articles about Kal Bhairo on ths site:

swamiram.com/lj/spirits_main.php

If it is true - then it is terrible mistake to think that they are the same.

Pay attention that the author recognize Kala Bhairava as form of Lord Shiva but says that Kal Bairo is an evil spirit and is not Kala Bhairava.
It is in article:

swamiram.com/lj/articles/kalb5.html

It is not my own opinion. Just an information.
Could you provide some arguments against those articles.

Your arguments shouldn't be just your own opinions that you believe that they are the same. More profound arguments are needed. If possible with links to web sites who are authorities in this field.

01-17-2007, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Look through several articles about Kal Bhairo on ths site:

swamiram.com/lj/spirits_main.php

If it is true - then it is terrible mistake to think that they are the same.

Pay attention that the author recognize Kala Bhairava as form of Lord Shiva but says that Kal Bairo is an evil spirit and is not Kala Bhairava.
It is in article:

swamiram.com/lj/articles/kalb5.html

It is not my own opinion. Just an information.
Could you provide some arguments against those articles.

Your arguments shouldn't be just your own opinions that you believe that they are the same. More profound arguments are needed. If possible with links to web sites who are authorities in this field.

This is site you recommend is no authority on this subject. he does not want anybody especially of West indian background to know the truth. He wants either power over them or to drain their pockets. The other site you mentioned swamiram.com/lj/articles/kalb5.html is not an authority neither. He lies. If you want an authority he has to be from India. Not West indian, the have the true knowledge - he is fooling people like you. See google blog on Swamiram - the swindler and taker. They in for the money. These guys have no truth in them, does not understand truth - desires are toooo many.
I do not understand how people can be soo ignorant to follow quacks and frauds like these, especially those who are not from India.

01-17-2007, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manoj sharma

MR.Raj kumar ji

i am manoj sharma from ludhiana, Punjab, india. I want to say something about ur query. 1st of all Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo r the same diety. becouse India is a very big country & and diffrent dieties r worshiped with other name in diffrent part of country. according to Tantrik tradition some say the no. of bhairo r 52 & some say the r 64. in tantrik yantra the 8 Bhairva r worshiped as the Driection lord. All of these r linked with Lord Shiva. some scolor says that their is only 1 bhairv but aquir diffrent forms & roop according to wish of the devoty.
the black (some any color) dog is animal forms of bhairv.
- any body can get any thing by this sadhana (from wealth to moksha).
- the use of meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas is used according to ur desire, but u can use black pulse & other things as sbstitute.

Manoj Sharma
Swastik astro point, 35/1 e, model gram, Ludhiana (Punjab), India

01-17-2007, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manoj sharma

MR.Raj kumar ji

i am manoj sharma from ludhiana, Punjab, india. I want to say something about ur query. 1st of all Kaal Bhairav and Bhairo r the same diety. becouse India is a very big country & and diffrent dieties r worshiped with other name in diffrent part of country. according to Tantrik tradition some say the no. of bhairo r 52 & some say the r 64. in tantrik yantra the 8 Bhairva r worshiped as the Driection lord. All of these r linked with Lord Shiva. some scolor says that their is only 1 bhairv but aquir diffrent forms & roop according to wish of the devoty.
the black (some any color) dog is animal forms of bhairv.
- any body can get any thing by this sadhana (from wealth to moksha).
- the use of meat,wine, etc in these sadhanas is used according to ur desire, but u can use black pulse & other things as sbstitute.

Manoj Sharma
Swastik astro point, 35/1 e, model gram, Ludhiana (Punjab), India

These guys like to play with fire, especially the ones not from India. Good going manoj. I am not india ( been there a number of times) but i have studied enough to know there is some truth what you say.

04-09-2007, 10:04 AM

I'm sorry but it is not my name that I can give so easily. I would have to ask permission before I post his name up,don't you agree?

04-09-2007, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest

Hey Lachman, the temple I used to go too in Queens, I was never a part of. I went every sunday and partake in weekly services...I performed various tasks. I live two and half hours away from the temple and i still tried to make it at least every other week when I did go. I thought that I was becoming a part of the temple but I learned that they do not welcome new members or so it seemed, when they had their yearly puja. After Puja was done, they gave out new shirts and doties to all pujaries...and when I when to get one for myself because I thought I was one at that temple because they continuosly gave me something to do, I was told that only pujaries at that temple can get new shirts and doties and from that day forward I have not went back. I do know that the call up mantra is only given to trustworthy pujaries. I guess it is not my time to attain it as of yet. I am a pujari at another temple. My head pujari gave a mantra to me but I think it is the cargam mantra.

Please do not be offended, you may have asked the wrong pusarie.They think they run the temple, I am sure that if you had asked the head pujarie, he wouldnt have said no, but because these pusaries do not listen and they want to do their own thing, people are left feeling uneasy and upset. Not to worry, things are changing. Im just sad that it didnt change earlier, but Mother has her own time. Maybe she knew you would excell at a different temple and tried to give you better opportunities, as you say, you are a pusarie at a different temple. Please do not hesitate to visit again, there will be the bi-annual puja this month on April 29. I wish you all the best.

05-14-2007, 04:57 PM

You have to understand that Madurai Veeran and Kal Bhairo ARE NOT THE SAME. Madurai Veeran, Sangilli Karuppan, Karuppusamy, Kuthandavar, Kathuvarayan, and such deities are basically sub-deities who are essentially martyrs. They were once warriors/kings who were revered by the Tamil villagers, that they became so popular, they evolved into sub-deities.
Muniswaran is another incarnation of siva, his sub-deity form is muniandy, or muniappan. Other deities as incarnations rather than subdeities are virumandi, karumandi, mayandi, and the most common kaaval ayyanaar, who is the one with the white horse and sword drawn.

07-16-2007, 11:24 PM

If a young person asisted one of the masters ( bhairo / sangeni) and was told to do several weeks devotion.... 1) Can that person turn can be a pujari

and another question......if a person knows how to play the tapou drum and knows good amount of how to play it ....can they become a pujari