BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA

06-07-2001, 10:41 PM

Date : 08/06/2001

Jai Gugudev!

Sub.: Baglamukhi Mahavidhya Mantra

Which Beej Mantra either HREEM or HLEEM is to be used
in Baglamukhi Mantra SINCE

at following places HLEEM beej is used in BAGLAMUKHI
MANTRA :

1. Page No. 26 and 57 of Nov.98 issue of MTYV magazine

WHEREAS at following Places HREEM beej is used in
BAGLAMUKHI MANTRA :

1. Baglamukhi Picture (which I bought from
Gurudham Delhi)
2. Page No. 135 of "TANTRIK SIDHIYAN" published by
MTYV
3. Page No. 292 of "MANTRA REHASAYA" published by
MTYV

I could not understand which Banglamukhi Mantra is
correct whether that of "HLEEM" Beej OR "HREEM" Beej
OR both are correct.

Pls guide me Mantra containing which Beej is correct.

If both are correct then Mantra containing "Hreem"
Beej is for which purpose and Mantra containing
"Hleem" Beej is for which purpose.

Regards : Sanjay Dudeja

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06-07-2001, 11:16 PM

JAI GURUDEV
Dear Sanjay,

> I could not understand which Banglamukhi Mantra is
> correct whether that of "HLEEM" Beej OR "HREEM" Beej
> OR both are correct.

Any Mahavidya sadhana must only be performed with Guruji's
permission. Do not perform the Bagalamukhi Sadhana just by reading
the procedure and mantra. It could be deadly. Meet Guruji in this
regard and he'll give you the most suitable mantra.

Once again, do not perform any Mahavidya Sadhana without Guruji's
permission. IT COULD BE DEADLY.

Have a nice day.

Ashish Marathe

06-08-2001, 12:32 AM

Sanjay & Ashish,

Both Beej Mantras are correct. It depends upon what type of Baglamukhi
Sadhana you are doing. Ask Gurudev for further details.

Jay Gurdev,

Pradip Merchant.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanjay Dudeja"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:41 AM
Subject: [issplist] BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA

> Date : 08/06/2001
>
> Jai Gugudev!
>
> Sub.: Baglamukhi Mahavidhya Mantra
>
> Which Beej Mantra either HREEM or HLEEM is to be used
> in Baglamukhi Mantra SINCE
>
> at following places HLEEM beej is used in BAGLAMUKHI
> MANTRA :
>
> 1. Page No. 26 and 57 of Nov.98 issue of MTYV magazine
>
> WHEREAS at following Places HREEM beej is used in
> BAGLAMUKHI MANTRA :
>
> 1. Baglamukhi Picture (which I bought from
> Gurudham Delhi)
> 2. Page No. 135 of "TANTRIK SIDHIYAN" published by
> MTYV
> 3. Page No. 292 of "MANTRA REHASAYA" published by
> MTYV
>
> I could not understand which Banglamukhi Mantra is
> correct whether that of "HLEEM" Beej OR "HREEM" Beej
> OR both are correct.
>
> Pls guide me Mantra containing which Beej is correct.
>
> If both are correct then Mantra containing "Hreem"
> Beej is for which purpose and Mantra containing
> "Hleem" Beej is for which purpose.
>
> Regards : Sanjay Dudeja
>
>
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06-09-2001, 09:05 AM

JAI GURUDEV
Dear Sanjay...

> Then what is the use of publishing Mantras and> Sadhnas in magazine.
In ancient times, mantras were told to worthy disciples by Guru to prevent them
from going into wrong hands. Then, in later ages, people started loosing the
energy and will to perform sadhana. Sadhaks were replaced by cowards who,
hidden in their wives' PALLU, declared sadhana evil and tantra, a way to kill
people. People believed in those lies and lost the glory of their ancestors.

That misery still exists. In order to spread awareness about sadhana without
being declared killers, publishing mantras and sadhanas is necessary. But to
actually perform sadhana, one must follow the rules. One must have a real Guru
and his permission.

When we perform any Mahavidya sadhana, our body's energies rise to an enormous
level. If we have Guruji's permission and blessing, that energy effects us
positively. On the other hand, our bodies might not hold that much energy and
lead us straight to our death. So, once again, I suggest taking Guruji's
permission before starting any Mahavidya sadhana.

Have a nice day.

Ashish Marathe

06-10-2001, 07:27 AM

JAI GURUDEV

> One thing, for we Gurubhais and Gurusisters, nothing wrong can
> happen to us in performing any sadhana as Sat Gurudevji is always
> with us at the time of performing Sadhnas.

Yes. You are right. But, I think, love and devotion for Guruji is the
most important thing. Guru Diksha is a way to connect our soul with
Guruji's soul. If you have love and devotion for him, then the
connection will be established even without Guru Diksha. I have seen
many people who take diksha and expect an instant miracle. When
disappointed, they simply blame Guruji. In such cases, even the most
powerful diksha can't connect the souls. Here, no matter how many
times you perform, the sadhana would be futile. Someone might say
that the sadhana will clean the sadhak's body and soul, I would still
say that unless you have complete faith in Guruji, you won't succeed.

The Gurubhai, whom I was replying, is an apparent newbie. He needs
time to realize Guruji's essence in his soul and I am sure, he would
do that sooner than we might expect. I believe, Tantra is a very
complecated science and there are certain rules everyone must follow.
Any Mahavidya Sadhana, especially Bagalamukhi Sadhana, is not just
another sadhana and no, everyone is not eligible to perform it. You
must first prove yourself worthy, you must perform Guru sadhana, you
must take diksha and you must get Guruji's permission. Read Guruji's
book 'Tantrik Siddhiyan' for more details.

What I have written above is based on my own experience with
Chhinnamasta Sadhana.

Have a nice day.

Ashish Marathe

06-10-2001, 08:11 AM

-

jai GURUDEV
this is from bagkamukhi sadhna by GURUDEV

bhool kar bhi samanya vyakti ko is prakar ki sadhna me nahin baithna
chaiye, kyonki yeh sadhna talwaar ki dhaar ke samaan hai, atah yadi
thori si bhi galti ho jati hai, to sadhna karne wala vyakti hi samapt
ho jata hai. mere anubhav se bina poora gyaan prapt kiye jin logon ne
is sadhna ko prarambh kiya, ve sadhna kaal me hi pagal hote dekhe gaye
hain, aur bari kathinai se unhen samanaya avastha me laya gaya.

...
jo bhi vyakti is sadhna ko sampann karna chahe use chahiye ki vah
yogya guru ke nirdeshan me hi is karya ko sampann kare.
....
sadhna kaal me dhyan rakhne yogya baten..
kisi prakaar ki koi shithilta na barte.

the rules of baglamukhi sadhna are more
strict than any other mahavidya sadhna.

what are you going to do if for example your celibacy breaks? can you
still say that it is fine, i can handle it, Guruji will/should take
care of it. Of course if you go to him eventually he will, but you
will have to learn the lesson the hard way, believe me. Even if you
cannot take diksha, it is always good to inform Him/ or someone
responsible at GURUDHAM of what you are doing and ask if it is Ok.

no, though i disagree about 'all' mahavidya ' sadhnas. Bhuvaneshwari
sadhna for example can be done without any special diksha if
needed--Guruji said this to me when i had asked him. And mistakes in
it do not cause anye harm, maybe even Mahakali-- where there is no
'bandhan' of any kind.

BUT, no not Baglamukhi.
I have grown up worshipping the divine Mother, and believe that my
Mother in any form fierce or sombre can never harm me, and am rather
fearless and daring.
But i have learnt from experience that tantra is different from
bhakti. it produces much faster results than Bhakti, no? Otherwise
whay are we doing sadhnas? And mistakes in it can be costly.
Therefore, if you intend to do any Mahavidya sadhna, be very sure that
you are performing 4 mala GURU 1 mala chetna, 1 mala Gayatri daily
(these are instructions from GURUdham). AND always always
engulf your sadhna in GURU mantra on both sides and perform GURU
aarti.
If you see Sri Siddheshwari sadhna there is a apradh kshama stotra --
Apsraadh sahastraani kriyent...given in the end. This is from Durga
SaptaShati. I recite it atleast once after completion of any form of
worship of Divine mother.
jai GURUDEV
anu

06-10-2001, 06:51 PM

Param Hans Swami Nikhileshwar Bhagwan Ki Jai

Jai Gurudev

It seems that there are still myths about performing Mahavidya Sadhana.

We are proud that we have been blessed by Sat Gurudevji by giving us Guru
Diksha. At the time of giving Diksha, Sat Gurudevji gives us three mantras:
1 Guru Mantra
2 Chaitanya Mantra
3 Gayatri Mantra

Guru Mantra is to establish our atmik (solely) relation with Sat Gurudevji and
Brahmand (universal power). Chaitanya mantra is to awake our each and every
cells of our Brain which are either dead or in sleepy condition. Gayatri
Mantra helps us in lessening our attachments with worldly/materialistic things.

In short, Sat Gurudev in the beginning itself equips us for walking on the
sadhana path. It is Sat Gurudevji ony who is just like a protection shield in
the difficult sadhana path. When we have faith in Sat Gurudevji nothing wrong
can be happened to us in performing any Sadhana given by HIM either in Patrika
or personally or thru cassettes.

Sat Gurudevji is always there. The saying of doing Mahavidya Sadhana without
permission may be deadly, is only for those who have not taken Guru Diksha from
Sat Gurudevji. For we Sidhasharam Sadhak Parivar brothers/sisters, we have a
privilege of performing any Sadhana without fear provided we take samagri from
Gurudham and mantra either from Sat Gurudevji personally or from MTYV Patrika/
Sat Gurudevji's book or from cassetts of Sat Gurudevji.

If one perform the Mahavidya Sadhana without the physical permission from Sat
Gurudevji, the result will either be zero or success in sadhana subject to his
elevation in sadhnatmak field. It is also depending upon our Karma or last
births also. There are cases who have performed Mahavidya Sadhnas from Patrika
itself and they got the success in one go. It is for the benefit and for we
shishyas only Gurudev is publishing different different sadhnas and also makes
provision that we brothers living in far off places can get the sadhna samagri
by post. In another words, it is the Sat Gurudevs advice that we should do
sadhanas regularly by reading patrika also as it is not feasible for every one
and at all times to attend Shivirs and meet Gurudevji so frequently.

It would be better, if one takes the physical permission from Gurudevji for
performing any Sadhana. Physical Permission means we should take Shaktipaat
Diksha also before performing Sadhanas. Otherwise at the time of performing
Sadhana we always take mansik permission from Sat Gurudevji assuming that HE is
present in front of us and pray for HIS blessing for success in sadhana. But if
we are determined and have will power to perfom sadhana with full
capacity/concentration, then we may get success in one go also. However, in
every case Sat Gurudevji is always with us the time of performing sadhanas.

One thing, for we Gurubhais and Gurusisters, nothing wrong can happen to us in
performing any sadhana as Sat Gurudevji is always with us at the time of
performing Sadhnas. We may not get the visible success in one go in doing
Mahavidya Sadhana also, but definitely repeating that sadhana will definitely
get us the visible difference. We should take out the fear of any sort from
our mind as Sat Gurudevji is always with us.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashish Marathe
To: Sanjay Dudeja
Cc: issplist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [issplist] Re: BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA
JAI GURUDEV
Dear Sanjay...

> Then what is the use of publishing Mantras and> Sadhnas in magazine.
In ancient times, mantras were told to worthy disciples by Guru to prevent them
from going into wrong hands. Then, in later ages, people started loosing the
energy and will to perform sadhana. Sadhaks were replaced by cowards who,
hidden in their wives' PALLU, declared sadhana evil and tantra, a way to kill
people. People believed in those lies and lost the glory of their ancestors.

That misery still exists. In order to spread awareness about sadhana without
being declared killers, publishing mantras and sadhanas is necessary. But to
actually perform sadhana, one must follow the rules. One must have a real Guru
and his permission.

When we perform any Mahavidya sadhana, our body's energies rise to an enormous
level. If we have Guruji's permission and blessing, that energy effects us
positively. On the other hand, our bodies might not hold that much energy and
lead us straight to our death. So, once again, I suggest taking Guruji's
permission before starting any Mahavidya sadhana.

Have a nice day.

Ashish MaratheJay GurudevYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

06-11-2001, 08:08 AM

JAI GURUDEV
Dear Mohan,

I must say, your faith in Guruji is respectable. You have my best
wishes for keeping it up and getting success in any sadhana you may
perform.

While replying, please quote only what is necessary. Not everyone
would enjoy receiving giant sized mails.

> Moreover powerful dikshas means shaktipaat and it does not go
> futile. Its result may not be seen at once, but definitely it
> works.

Diksha is a complex form of energy transfer which increases
positivity and it is purely scientific though a Physics book might
not explain it. On 1st January '96, during Rajyog Diksha Shivir,
Guruji said that this positive energy fades away and need constant
recharging.

> Actually sadhana means to perform anusthans

Sadhana means tuning your body and reviving connection with your
soul. Anushthan is one of many ways of doing it.

> You need to analyse yourself.

Thanks for the advise. I would surely analyze myself more as it is
part of my daily routine.

> you are right. This sadhana is not for anybody. But our
> Gurubhais/Gurusisters are not 'samanya vyakti'. When we take
> Guru Diksha our spiritual level arises and we are not samanya
> vyakti because Sat Gurudevji is with us.
> Our Patrika contains all such knowledge, if one is regular in
> reading it.
> Patrika is a Guru Vani and Guru Vani is always OK.

In many books, written by Guruji, I have read that one must not start
a sadhana on his own just by reading books. Even Shashtriji has
confirmed it. Ain't that also 'Guru Vani'?

Have a nice day.

Ashish Marathe

06-11-2001, 06:29 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashish Marathe
To: issplist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: [issplist] Re: BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA
JAI GURUDEV> One thing, for we Gurubhais and Gurusisters, nothing wrong can>
happen to us in performing any sadhana as Sat Gurudevji is always> with us at
the time of performing Sadhnas.Yes. You are right. But, I think, love and
devotion for Guruji is the most important thing. Guru Diksha is a way to
connect our soul with Guruji's soul. If you have love and devotion for him,
then the connection will be established even without Guru Diksha.
* In general, when we talk about sadhana by Gurubhais/Gurusisters, it is for
those only who have faith in Sat Gurudevji and are devoted. Otherwise there is
no meaning of doing any sadhana because without faith and devotion it is not
called sadhana. Moreover, Guru Diksha is must as Our Sat Gurudevji has said
that all of you had been my shisyas in past birth also but in this life also
you are to take Guru Diksha to revive the connection.

I have seen many people who take diksha and expect an instant miracle. When
disappointed, they simply blame Guruji. In such cases, even the most powerful
diksha can't connect the souls. Here, no matter how many times you perform, the
sadhana would be futile. Someone might say that the sadhana will clean the
sadhak's body and soul, I would still say that unless you have complete faith
in Guruji, you won't succeed.
* You are right that without faith in Sat Gurudevji, one cannot succeed in
sadhanas.
One thing I want to mention that if a person repeats a sadhana many times, he
cannot do it until he has faith in Sat Gurudevji. Casual person does sadhana
for once only just to check it and he cannot sit for sadhana again because he
does not have any thing which persudes him to do it again after seeing the
failure in first chance. It is only faith in Gurudevji which makes a
sadhak/shisyas to repeat sadhanas because Sat Gurudevji says that one can get
success in sadhanas. Moreover powerful dikshas means shaktipaat and it does
not go futile. Its result may not be seen at once, but definitely it works.
* The meaning of sadhana has also different interpretation. For new comers,
if he does 5-11 rosaries daily, it is sadhana for him. Actually sadhana means
to perform anusthans within a limited and predecided time. Such determination
to perform sadhana within a very limited time, is possible only for a regular
practisers and when one achieves success in sitting for 2-3 hours at a stretch,
his psychology definitely changes and negativity of that person starts reducing.
This decreasing negativity helps him to come on track and Sat Gurudevji, if he
has taken diksha, takes care and make him to achieve success in sadhanas.
The Gurubhai, whom I was replying, is an apparent newbie. He needs time to
realize Guruji's essence in his soul and I am sure, he would do that sooner
than we might expect. I believe, Tantra is a very complecated science and there
are certain rules everyone must follow. Any Mahavidya Sadhana, especially
Bagalamukhi Sadhana, is not just another sadhana and no, everyone is not
eligible to perform it.

* Of course everyone is not eligible to perform Bagalamukhi sadhana but Our
Gurubrothers/Sisters can do it who have taken Diksha from Sat Gurudevji. Sat
Gurudevji has not differentiated at the time of giving Diksha. It is we who do
not do daily pujan/mala as per HIS instructions, creates differences. Moreover,
if one has will and wants to perform Bagalamukhi sadhana, he can do it. I have
firm belief that performing any sadhana by our Gurubhais/Gurusisters cannot
become deadly to us. Sadhana is a pariksha and when you do even Guru Sadhana
also, you can fall in great difficulties. It is only a testing of one's will
power and sincerity towards sadhana and Sat Gurudevji.

You must first prove yourself worthy, you must perform Guru sadhana, you must
take diksha and you must get Guruji's permission. Read Guruji's book 'Tantrik
Siddhiyan' for more details.

* You are right. Guru Diksha is must for doing any type of sadhanas.
Gurujis permission in essential. But it is a matter of belief also that one
does not feel the presence of Guruji at his home. I am not emphasising that
one should not take physical permission of Sat Gurudevji. But if one is far
away and it is not feasible for him to meet personally, it does not come in the
way in performing any sadhana with the samagri from Gurudham otherwise Sat
Gurudevji may not have published all Mahavidya Sadhanas in MTYV Patrika and
must not have made provision to send the samagri by post.
What I have written above is based on my own experience with Chhinnamasta Sadhana.

* You need to analyse yourself. I am sure it will come out that it was a
pariksha of your will power irrespective of the sadhana you were performing. I
am also sure that nothing wrong could have taken place even if you (I am not
sure) have performed sadhana without the physical permission from Sat
Gurudevji.* FIRM BELIEF IN SATUGURUDEV CAN MAKE A NEWLY JOINED GURUBHAI
ELEVATE HIS SPIRITUAL LEVEL QUITE HIGH THAN A GURUBHAI WHO IS A MEMBER OF
SIDDHASHRAM SADHAK PARIVAR FOR YEARS. -jai GURUDEVthis is from bagkamukhi
sadhna by GURUDEVbhool kar bhi samanya vyakti ko is prakar ki sadhna me nahin
baithna chaiye, kyonki yeh sadhna talwaar ki dhaar ke samaan hai, atah yadi
thori si bhi galti ho jati hai, to sadhna karne wala vyakti hi samapt ho jata
hai. mere anubhav se bina poora gyaan prapt kiye jin logon ne is sadhna ko
prarambh kiya, ve sadhna kaal me hi pagal hote dekhe gaye hain, aur bari
kathinai se unhen samanaya avastha me laya gaya.
* you are right. This sadhana is not for anybody. But our
Gurubhais/Gurusisters are not 'samanya vyakti'. When we take Guru Diksha our
spiritual level arises and we are not samanya vyakti because Sat Gurudevji is
with us...jo bhi vyakti is sadhna ko sampann karna chahe use chahiye ki vah
yogya guru ke nirdeshan me hi is karya ko sampann kare....
* When one performs sadhana by reading MTYV Patrika or Guruji's Books, there
is clear instruction given in it and such sadhanas are given for we
Gurubhais/Gurusisters by Sat Gurudevji. Hence Guruji's nirdesh are there.
sadhna kaal me dhyan rakhne yogya baten..kisi prakaar ki koi shithilta na
barte.the rules of baglamukhi sadhna are more strict than any other mahavidya
sadhna.
* Such instructions are clearly given by Sat Gurudevji in MTYV Patrika also
and Sat Gurudevji has given knowledge to all of us that which type of sadhana
requires what sort of precautions. Our Patrika contains all such knowledge, if
one is regular in reading it.
what are you going to do if for example your celibacy breaks? can you still say
that it is fine, i can handle it, Guruji will/should take care of it.

* During Sadhana I am of the view that one should live a Rishi life.
Understand the interpretation of Sadhana and Prayog.

Of course if you go to him eventually he will, but you will have to learn the
lesson the hard way, believe me. Even if you cannot take diksha, it is always
good to inform Him/ or someone responsible at GURUDHAM of what you are doing
and ask if it is Ok.
* I believe that your meaning of taking Diksha is Shaktipaat Diksha. Yes it
is always good to inform Him. Performing any sadhana as per MTYV Patrika, if
he understands well the instructions contained in it, I believe that it is
always OK. Patrika is a Guru Vani and Guru Vani is always OK.

no, though i disagree about 'all' mahavidya ' sadhnas. Bhuvaneshwari sadhna for
example can be done without any special diksha if needed--Guruji said this to
me when i had asked him. And mistakes in it do not cause anye harm, maybe even
Mahakali-- where there is no 'bandhan' of any kind.BUT, no not Baglamukhi.I
have grown up worshipping the divine Mother, and believe that my Mother in any
form fierce or sombre can never harm me, and am rather fearless and daring.But
i have learnt from experience that tantra is different from bhakti. it produces
much faster results than Bhakti, no? Otherwise whay are we doing sadhnas? And
mistakes in it can be costly.

* mistake in sadhana can be costly to a samanya vyakti. If any of our
gurubrother/gurusister happens to make mistake in such sadhana, he will not get
the desired result of sadhna but Believe it that nothing wrong can happen to
him.
Therefore, if you intend to do any Mahavidya sadhna, be very sure that you are
performing 4 mala GURU 1 mala chetna, 1 mala Gayatri daily (these are
instructions from GURUdham). AND always alwaysengulf your sadhna in GURU mantra
on both sides and perform GURU aarti.
*You are right. Even if one does not perform sadhana, he should do daily Guru
Pujan and 4+1+1 mala daily. For we grihasth, it is Guru Mantra only which
makes a pavement of our success in any sadhana.

If you see Sri Siddheshwari sadhna there is a apradh kshama stotra -- Apsraadh
sahastraani kriyent...given in the end. This is from Durga SaptaShati. I recite
it atleast once after completion of any form of worship of Divine mother.
* It is an intelligence of you. We have been taught that even after Guru
Pujan, we seek appology from Sat Gurudevji for any mistakes in Guru Pujan. And
in Sadhana, I am sure that none of our Grihasth Gurubhais/Gurusisters can
perform Sadhana in a perfect manner, it is compulsory that we should seek
kshama and if we recite such kshama stotra it increases the chances of our
success in the sadhana.

PARAM HANS SWAMI NIKHILESHWAR BHAGWAN KI JAI
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06-11-2001, 07:17 PM

Jay Gurudev,

Dear Mohanbhai

I AM DEPAK PANDYA FROM AHMEDABAD, I THINK U R FROM JAMNAGAR OR JUNAGADH. BECAUSE
I READ U R NAME IN OLD MTYV BOOK 1985.

DEEPAK
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [issplist] Re: BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashish Marathe
To: issplist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: [issplist] Re: BAGLAMUKHI MAHAVIDHYA MANTRA
JAI GURUDEV> One thing, for we Gurubhais and Gurusisters, nothing wrong can>
happen to us in performing any sadhana as Sat Gurudevji is always> with us at
the time of performing Sadhnas.Yes. You are right. But, I think, love and
devotion for Guruji is the most important thing. Guru Diksha is a way to
connect our soul with Guruji's soul. If you have love and devotion for him,
then the connection will be established even without Guru Diksha.
* In general, when we talk about sadhana by Gurubhais/Gurusisters, it is for
those only who have faith in Sat Gurudevji and are devoted. Otherwise there is
no meaning of doing any sadhana because without faith and devotion it is not
called sadhana. Moreover, Guru Diksha is must as Our Sat Gurudevji has said
that all of you had been my shisyas in past birth also but in this life also
you are to take Guru Diksha to revive the connection.

I have seen many people who take diksha and expect an instant miracle. When
disappointed, they simply blame Guruji. In such cases, even the most powerful
diksha can't connect the souls. Here, no matter how many times you perform, the
sadhana would be futile. Someone might say that the sadhana will clean the
sadhak's body and soul, I would still say that unless you have complete faith
in Guruji, you won't succeed.
* You are right that without faith in Sat Gurudevji, one cannot succeed in
sadhanas.
One thing I want to mention that if a person repeats a sadhana many times, he
cannot do it until he has faith in Sat Gurudevji. Casual person does sadhana
for once only just to check it and he cannot sit for sadhana again because he
does not have any thing which persudes him to do it again after seeing the
failure in first chance. It is only faith in Gurudevji which makes a
sadhak/shisyas to repeat sadhanas because Sat Gurudevji says that one can get
success in sadhanas. Moreover powerful dikshas means shaktipaat and it does
not go futile. Its result may not be seen at once, but definitely it works.
* The meaning of sadhana has also different interpretation. For new comers,
if he does 5-11 rosaries daily, it is sadhana for him. Actually sadhana means
to perform anusthans within a limited and predecided time. Such determination
to perform sadhana within a very limited time, is possible only for a regular
practisers and when one achieves success in sitting for 2-3 hours at a stretch,
his psychology definitely changes and negativity of that person starts reducing.
This decreasing negativity helps him to come on track and Sat Gurudevji, if he
has taken diksha, takes care and make him to achieve success in sadhanas. The
Gurubhai, whom I was replying, is an apparent newbie. He needs time to realize
Guruji's essence in his soul and I am sure, he would do that sooner than we
might expect. I believe, Tantra is a very complecated science and there are
certain rules everyone must follow. Any Mahavidya Sadhana, especially
Bagalamukhi Sadhana, is not just another sadhana and no, everyone is not
eligible to perform it.

* Of course everyone is not eligible to perform Bagalamukhi sadhana but Our
Gurubrothers/Sisters can do it who have taken Diksha from Sat Gurudevji. Sat
Gurudevji has not differentiated at the time of giving Diksha. It is we who do
not do daily pujan/mala as per HIS instructions, creates differences. Moreover,
if one has will and wants to perform Bagalamukhi sadhana, he can do it. I have
firm belief that performing any sadhana by our Gurubhais/Gurusisters cannot
become deadly to us. Sadhana is a pariksha and when you do even Guru Sadhana
also, you can fall in great difficulties. It is only a testing of one's will
power and sincerity towards sadhana and Sat Gurudevji.

You must first prove yourself worthy, you must perform Guru sadhana, you must
take diksha and you must get Guruji's permission. Read Guruji's book 'Tantrik
Siddhiyan' for more details.

* You are right. Guru Diksha is must for doing any type of sadhanas.
Gurujis permission in essential. But it is a matter of belief also that one
does not feel the presence of Guruji at his home. I am not emphasising that
one should not take physical permission of Sat Gurudevji. But if one is far
away and it is not feasible for him to meet personally, it does not come in the
way in performing any sadhana with the samagri from Gurudham otherwise Sat
Gurudevji may not have published all Mahavidya Sadhanas in MTYV Patrika and
must not have made provision to send the samagri by post.
What I have written above is based on my own experience with Chhinnamasta Sadhana.

* You need to analyse yourself. I am sure it will come out that it was a
pariksha of your will power irrespective of the sadhana you were performing. I
am also sure that nothing wrong could have taken place even if you (I am not
sure) have performed sadhana without the physical permission from Sat
Gurudevji.* FIRM BELIEF IN SATUGURUDEV CAN MAKE A NEWLY JOINED GURUBHAI
ELEVATE HIS SPIRITUAL LEVEL QUITE HIGH THAN A GURUBHAI WHO IS A MEMBER OF
SIDDHASHRAM SADHAK PARIVAR FOR YEARS. -jai GURUDEVthis is from bagkamukhi
sadhna by GURUDEVbhool kar bhi samanya vyakti ko is prakar ki sadhna me nahin
baithna chaiye, kyonki yeh sadhna talwaar ki dhaar ke samaan hai, atah yadi
thori si bhi galti ho jati hai, to sadhna karne wala vyakti hi samapt ho jata
hai. mere anubhav se bina poora gyaan prapt kiye jin logon ne is sadhna ko
prarambh kiya, ve sadhna kaal me hi pagal hote dekhe gaye hain, aur bari
kathinai se unhen samanaya avastha me laya gaya.
* you are right. This sadhana is not for anybody. But our
Gurubhais/Gurusisters are not 'samanya vyakti'. When we take Guru Diksha our
spiritual level arises and we are not samanya vyakti because Sat Gurudevji is
with us...jo bhi vyakti is sadhna ko sampann karna chahe use chahiye ki vah
yogya guru ke nirdeshan me hi is karya ko sampann kare....
* When one performs sadhana by reading MTYV Patrika or Guruji's Books, there
is clear instruction given in it and such sadhanas are given for we
Gurubhais/Gurusisters by Sat Gurudevji. Hence Guruji's nirdesh are there.
sadhna kaal me dhyan rakhne yogya baten..kisi prakaar ki koi shithilta na
barte.the rules of baglamukhi sadhna are more strict than any other mahavidya
sadhna.
* Such instructions are clearly given by Sat Gurudevji in MTYV Patrika also
and Sat Gurudevji has given knowledge to all of us that which type of sadhana
requires what sort of precautions. Our Patrika contains all such knowledge, if
one is regular in reading it.
what are you going to do if for example your celibacy breaks? can you still say
that it is fine, i can handle it, Guruji will/should take care of it.

* During Sadhana I am of the view that one should live a Rishi life.
Understand the interpretation of Sadhana and Prayog.

Of course if you go to him eventually he will, but you will have to learn the
lesson the hard way, believe me. Even if you cannot take diksha, it is always
good to inform Him/ or someone responsible at GURUDHAM of what you are doing
and ask if it is Ok.
* I believe that your meaning of taking Diksha is Shaktipaat Diksha. Yes it
is always good to inform Him. Performing any sadhana as per MTYV Patrika, if
he understands well the instructions contained in it, I believe that it is
always OK. Patrika is a Guru Vani and Guru Vani is always OK.

no, though i disagree about 'all' mahavidya ' sadhnas. Bhuvaneshwari sadhna for
example can be done without any special diksha if needed--Guruji said this to
me when i had asked him. And mistakes in it do not cause anye harm, maybe even
Mahakali-- where there is no 'bandhan' of any kind.BUT, no not Baglamukhi.I
have grown up worshipping the divine Mother, and believe that my Mother in any
form fierce or sombre can never harm me, and am rather fearless and daring.But
i have learnt from experience that tantra is different from bhakti. it produces
much faster results than Bhakti, no? Otherwise whay are we doing sadhnas? And
mistakes in it can be costly.

* mistake in sadhana can be costly to a samanya vyakti. If any of our
gurubrother/gurusister happens to make mistake in such sadhana, he will not get
the desired result of sadhna but Believe it that nothing wrong can happen to
him.
Therefore, if you intend to do any Mahavidya sadhna, be very sure that you are
performing 4 mala GURU 1 mala chetna, 1 mala Gayatri daily (these are
instructions from GURUdham). AND always alwaysengulf your sadhna in GURU mantra
on both sides and perform GURU aarti.
*You are right. Even if one does not perform sadhana, he should do daily Guru
Pujan and 4+1+1 mala daily. For we grihasth, it is Guru Mantra only which
makes a pavement of our success in any sadhana.

If you see Sri Siddheshwari sadhna there is a apradh kshama stotra -- Apsraadh
sahastraani kriyent...given in the end. This is from Durga SaptaShati. I recite
it atleast once after completion of any form of worship of Divine mother.
* It is an intelligence of you. We have been taught that even after Guru
Pujan, we seek appology from Sat Gurudevji for any mistakes in Guru Pujan. And
in Sadhana, I am sure that none of our Grihasth Gurubhais/Gurusisters can
perform Sadhana in a perfect manner, it is compulsory that we should seek
kshama and if we recite such kshama stotra it increases the chances of our
success in the sadhana.

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06-11-2001, 09:33 PM

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mohan ji,
thank you for your mail. when i read it i rememebered some lines
from a devi bhajan
jitni bhavan dil me hai rakhta yahan
utni shakti se le jati hai mei ma.
you have tremendous faith in Gurudev. That is commendable.

I agree that in a sadhna a sadhak should maintain a rishi's life.
But if baglamukhi sadhna is the first sadhna you are doing, you
have not tested your resolves gained before.

so maybe it is better to performa 125000 ka GURU mantra anusthan
before with the same resolves. A person would then gain tremendous
energy, and feel more confident. And be more sure that they will not
break in Baglamukhi sadhna.
I have the NOV 98 issue with me Mahavidya visheshank. And it also says
--is sadhna me baithne se poorva sadhak ko GURUJI se Baglamukhi
Deeksha prapt karni chahiye.
You are right when you quote cases of people who performed the sadhna
without even taking GuruDeeksha, by just mentally accepting Guruji as
their GURU and got succes in the first time. .

So perhaps the ultimate truth is that we are all very different, with
different capabilities and different past life histories.
but faith in guru, faith in deity, faith in sadhna and confidence in
ourself, strong will power are the key to success. either you have
them beforehand or you gain them slowly.
what i think is that if a sadhak- lacking in any of these qualities-
starts the regime of guru poojan and 4+1+1 mala, he will notice
changes in his attitude and his mistakes will be corrected.
And then success and failure depend on Guruji, our duty following
Gita is to make a very honest attempt and be sincere in our efforts.

Our purpose was concern for this Gurubhai.Without quoting actual
instances i have found things have gone wrong in my life (seemingly?)
if i have fooled around with some Mahavidya sadhnas. maybe the reason
could be that i do not have your kind of faith in Guru +deity.
but then my conclusion was
that i am very new in many ways and need time to imbibe
the Guru tatva in me. And so should anybody else who is new before he
takes up a high level sadhna.
And yes, i do self analysis and self correction.
jai Gurudev

anu

passionate-freak · 06-11-2007, 01:15 AM

Om Shree Guru Charan Kamalebhyo Namah:
Jai Gurudev,
nothing is useful untill and unless there's someone to guide you thoroughly...
Jai Gurudev