Siddha Ashram Philosophy

12-10-2000, 07:19 PM

Dear Brothers.

I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.
What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I recently
spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider that Krisna is
the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of Krisna and the
impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are aspects of Krisna. This
form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What does the Siddha Ashram
worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this vaisnava philosophy.

The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare Krisnas
is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly you would
worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that also this
worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for realising god
directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the Vedas.

Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

Regards

Greg Moeliker

12-11-2000, 04:52 AM

Dear Greg,
We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by
either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout
the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and Shaivite.
The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim Lord
Shiva is supreme.
We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy
trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all. The
universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means
knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If
knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,
Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient
scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru is
the source of all divinity.
So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing one
deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For
example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants
all knowledge.
I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the
highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.
However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example
Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide
riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But
each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper
into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this
process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of
these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the
supreme.
Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas
wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods want
to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The
Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of
universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death
cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest
pinnacle of spirituality.
>From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into the
physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the
populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar to
now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in
seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord
Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has
different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very
highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg. Rishi
Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed using
Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).
Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that was
the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.
However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It was
a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims
invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.
But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a translation
of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting "Hre
Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly
(for example). God only helps those who help themselves.

So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra
Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and
Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's advice
and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving
success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and
deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and one
starts experiencing supreme bliss.
The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain
it in more detail.

One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a
medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship the
deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus generated,
and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,
during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong
path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal
pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from these
pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path. If
you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new
rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep
slope, brittle rocks etc.

You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's
material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.
You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull
down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner peace
if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after
achieving material benefits.

Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in saying
all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly
ignorant.

Jai Gurudev

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Dear Brothers.

I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.
What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I
recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider
that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of
Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are
aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What
does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this
vaisnava philosophy.

The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare
Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly
you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that
also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for
realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the
Vedas.

Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

Regards

Greg Moeliker

Jay Gurudev

12-11-2000, 05:31 AM

Dear Arvind!

It was heart filling to read the explanation from your side.
Yes GuruTattav is said to be the highest. As is said by Kabir Das too

Guru Gobind Doun Khare Kake Lagun Paanv|

i always forget the second part

. Meaning Guru (Spiritual teacher) and
Lord are standing before me and i am engulfed in a confusion of whose feet
should i touch first. Then disciple says its the Guru who made me one with
Lord thats why i touch the Holy Feet of Guru first.

luv,
Anurag

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 arvind_sharma@... wrote:

>
> Dear Greg,
> We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by
> either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout
> the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and Shaivite.
> The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim Lord
> Shiva is supreme.
> We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy
> trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all. The
> universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means
> knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If
> knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,
> Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient
> scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru is
> the source of all divinity.
> So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing one
> deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For
> example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants
> all knowledge.
> I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the
> highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.
> However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example
> Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide
> riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But
> each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper
> into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this
> process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of
> these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the
> supreme.
> Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas
> wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods want
> to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The
> Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of
> universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death
> cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest
> pinnacle of spirituality.
> >From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into the
> physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the
> populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar to
> now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in
> seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord
> Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has
> different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very
> highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg. Rishi
> Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed using
> Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).
> Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that was
> the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.
> However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It was
> a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims
> invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.
> But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a translation
> of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting "Hre
> Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly
> (for example). God only helps those who help themselves.
>
> So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra
> Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and
> Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's advice
> and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving
> success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and
> deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and one
> starts experiencing supreme bliss.
> The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain
> it in more detail.
>
> One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a
> medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship the
> deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus generated,
> and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,
> during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong
> path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal
> pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from these
> pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path. If
> you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new
> rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep
> slope, brittle rocks etc.
>
> You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's
> material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.
> You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull
> down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner peace
> if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after
> achieving material benefits.
>
> Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in saying
> all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly
> ignorant.
>
> Jai Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > il.com.au> To:
issplist (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> cc:
> 11/12/00 08:19 Subject: [issplist]
Siddha Ashram Philosophy
> Please respond to
> issplist
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brothers.
>
> I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.
> What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I
> recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider
> that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of
> Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are
> aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What
> does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this
> vaisnava philosophy.
>
> The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare
> Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly
> you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that
> also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for
> realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the
> Vedas.
>
> Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg Moeliker
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>

12-11-2000, 05:37 AM

Dear Anurag :

balihari Guru Aapki, Govind Diyo Milaay

meaning. I am gratefula and thankful to you, Gurudev, for making me meet my
Lord.

Jai Gurudev

Anurag Goel

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Dear Arvind!

It was heart filling to read the explanation from your side.
Yes GuruTattav is said to be the highest. As is said by Kabir Das too

Guru Gobind Doun Khare Kake Lagun Paanv|

i always forget the second part

. Meaning Guru (Spiritual teacher) and
Lord are standing before me and i am engulfed in a confusion of whose feet
should i touch first. Then disciple says its the Guru who made me one with
Lord thats why i touch the Holy Feet of Guru first.

luv,
Anurag

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 arvind_sharma@... wrote:

>
> Dear Greg,
> We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by
> either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout
> the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and
Shaivite.
> The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim
Lord
> Shiva is supreme.
> We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy
> trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all.
The
> universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means
> knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If
> knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,
> Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient
> scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru
is
> the source of all divinity.
> So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing
one
> deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For
> example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants
> all knowledge.
> I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the
> highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.
> However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example
> Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide
> riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But
> each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper
> into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this
> process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of
> these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the
> supreme.
> Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas
> wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods
want
> to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The
> Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of
> universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death
> cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest
> pinnacle of spirituality.
> >From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into
the
> physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the
> populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar
to
> now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in
> seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord
> Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has
> different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very
> highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg.
Rishi
> Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed
using
> Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).
> Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that
was
> the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.
> However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It
was
> a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims
> invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.
> But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a
translation
> of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting
"Hre
> Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly
> (for example). God only helps those who help themselves.
>
> So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra
> Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and
> Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's
advice
> and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving
> success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and
> deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and
one
> starts experiencing supreme bliss.
> The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain
> it in more detail.
>
> One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a
> medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship
the
> deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus
generated,
> and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,
> during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong
> path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal
> pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from
these
> pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path.
If
> you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new
> rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep
> slope, brittle rocks etc.
>
> You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's
> material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.
> You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull
> down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner
peace
> if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after
> achieving material benefits.
>
> Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in
saying
> all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly
> ignorant.
>
> Jai Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > il.com.au> To:
issplist (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> cc:
> 11/12/00 08:19 Subject:
[issplist] Siddha Ashram Philosophy
> Please respond to
> issplist
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brothers.
>
> I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response
yet.
> What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I
> recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider
> that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence
of
> Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are
> aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism.
What
> does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction
this
> vaisnava philosophy.
>
> The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare
> Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly
> you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And
that
> also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for
> realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the
> Vedas.
>
> Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg Moeliker
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>

Jay Gurudev