jadu tona

Hi
I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.
What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.
It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard
that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get
siddhi is by sex and other bad things.
But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always
believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be
avoided.
Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what
is tantra?

Hi willi!

I was waiting if other knowledgeable persons can give a more
perfect answer. Let me share my thoughts on it.

People say that they are two paths of tantra The left hand
path and the right hand path. People in wordly classify taking of meat,
beer etc. to be followed in left hand path.

Let me share few which i thought over it. Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa has
said that which ever path we may follow in the end its the kundalini
which is to awaken. Now if we look at kundalini and its chakras then we
will find that it can only be awakened by pious acts. Pious acts and vice
versa affects the chakras in positive ways which lead to their awakening.
If we do all these non-pious acts taking meat, wine, etc. then we are
doing just the opposite.

Pujya Gurudev Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwaranandji has said that some
people like Bhayananda and his followers corrupted Tantra in order to
fulfill their selfish acts. He has time and again said that Tantra is all
pure and success on and through this path can only be achieved through all
piousness.

Also enlightment means that we become aware that we are not body, mind or
prana rather we are souls. All these non pious acts such as meat, wine,
drugs, sex etc. take us back to the bondage of body and mind. Then how can
these non-pious acts lead us to enlightment.

Pujya Gurudev has said that Tantra is a specialised way of performing
mantra sadhana. Meaning one kind of restructure the mantra sadhana in such
a way that it becomes more powerful. This restructured mantra sadhana is
called tantra sadhana. Everything else is same in both.


This is all my little bit understanding on this. I hope more knowledgeable
list members will enlighten you.



Best Regards,
Anurag

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527 6108 extn. 4373


On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 willi2131@... wrote:

> Hi
> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.
> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.
> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard
> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get
> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.
> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always
> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be
> avoided.
> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what
> is tantra?
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>

hello skeptic, your doubts can be cleeared by www.siddhasharam.org only, pl
seek their guidance, am sure Gurudev shrimaliji could clear youe mind.
jag
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Subject: [issplist] jadu tona


> Hi
> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.
> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.
> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard
> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get
> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.
> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always
> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be
> avoided.
> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what
> is tantra?
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>

willi i think lack of knowledge is your problem,and i feel pity that we
being indians dont know what is the meaning of tantra where as tantra is
being practised by other countries and they are being benefitted by the
practice.swami vivekananda said in 1899 or 1900 that india should teach the
world religion, yoga and other related things for enlightenment and should
learn science from west,but what i feel that while indian started learning
science from west we forgot our own religion and started taking our own
culture as bad & outdated .
so my answer to your question be indian practically not by birth.
sorry for being rude.
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Subject: [issplist] jadu tona


> Hi
> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.
> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.
> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard
> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get
> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.
> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always
> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be
> avoided.
> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what
> is tantra?
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>
>

Dear Willi,
Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion
has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and
maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected
themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and
rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to
understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed
to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many
centuries.
The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to practise
any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna,
Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe
to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all
holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the
basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned.
Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats
thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg.
Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically
means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or
PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe that
this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You
have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So,
you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money
from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra
anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in
reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing
happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of
lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless.
Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He encouraged
common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in
Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under
Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning to
realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct.
People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas.
So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why
dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for yourself.
There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is
also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals
for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots
of info on this.
Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing.
Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is basically
a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a
chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs
and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them and
started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man
started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The real
good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests
and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting
knowledge due to these petty antics of priests.
Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete
celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from
smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing
Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT
related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc.

In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it has
its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind concentration.
I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual
pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society
concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates
Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very
simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is
probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence
and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow
of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use
Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in
my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things are
interrelated to each other.

All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow
group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views and
theories.
Jay Gurudev,

Knowledge is Power Supreme

dear arvind , am pleased to know that you answered the jadu tuna question
beautifully, there lot of baseless rumours spread by ignorant people and
thus sincere seeker is thwarted in his effort. good person, may gurudev
bless u
jay gurudev
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>
> Dear Willi,
> Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion
> has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and
> maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected
> themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and
> rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to
> understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed
> to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many
> centuries.
> The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to
practise
> any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna,
> Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe
> to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all
> holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the
> basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned.
> Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats
> thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg.
> Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically
> means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or
> PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe
that
> this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You
> have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So,
> you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money
> from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra
> anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in
> reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing
> happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of
> lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless.
> Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He
encouraged
> common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in
> Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under
> Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning
to
> realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct.
> People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas.
> So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why
> dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for
yourself.
> There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is
> also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals
> for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots
> of info on this.
> Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing.
> Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is
basically
> a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a
> chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs
> and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them
and
> started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man
> started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The
real
> good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests
> and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting
> knowledge due to these petty antics of priests.
> Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete
> celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from
> smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing
> Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT
> related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc.
>
> In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it
has
> its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind
concentration.
> I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual
> pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society
> concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates
> Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very
> simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is
> probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence
> and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow
> of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use
> Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in
> my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things
are
> interrelated to each other.
>
> All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow
> group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views
and
> theories.
> Jay Gurudev,
>
> Knowledge is Power Supreme
>
>
>
>
> Jay Gurudev
>
>
>
>
>

In issplist (AT) egroups (DOT) com, willi2131@h... wrote:
> Hi
> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.
> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.
> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard
> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to
get
> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.
> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always
> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be
> avoided.
> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me
what
>
is tantra?
Hello.....
Tantra mantra is kind of hidden power .Like, docter use knife to
save people's life. Same kind of knife can take peples life. It is
depend up to people how people use it.
Yes , that is tru some people misuse tantra and people belive tantra
is bad . Through the tantra and Mantra we can feel real life .We can
activate our Kundalini through tantra and mantra. Onse it activate we
can feel our soul where is it and we will get answer about our
previous life But for all of this thing we have to be power full guru
who is already activate his kundalani.
To say anithing about guru is not good . When time will come and if
there was guru in your previous life you will find out your guru
either your guru will send you hints. But it is depend up to you to
find out .

Ramesh