True Believer

01-16-2006, 06:36 PM

Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since
1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the
answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as
the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean
that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just
want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore.
Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.

01-19-2006, 01:11 AM

Dearest True Believer,
what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or what
do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since they
are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned
from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The more we
repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and
importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that you
can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or
judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are
generated from outside of your own mind?
peace
ovasoul

--- In Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "true_believer_7"
wrote:
>
> Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since
> 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the
> answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as
> the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean
> that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just
> want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore.
> Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.
>

02-07-2006, 05:02 PM

Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were
generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer,
I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and
see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a
persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude.

Thank you and Peace and light be with you.

--- In Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "ovasoul" wrote:
>
> Dearest True Believer,
> what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or
what
> do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since
they
> are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned
> from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The
more we
> repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and
> importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that
you
> can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or
> judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are
> generated from outside of your own mind?
> peace
> ovasoul
>
> --- In Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "true_believer_7"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M.
since
> > 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been
seeking the
> > answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization
that as
> > the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I
mean
> > that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I
just
> > want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them
anymore.
> > Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.
> >
>

02-08-2006, 08:52 AM

Dearest True Believer,
let me preface this post by saying I do not know your thoughts or
their nature, other than the fact that you do not approve of them. It
is good to know that we all have thoughts that wander into what we
consider unsavory territory at times. We are, after all...and before
all, human

If we can know our thoughts, if we bring consciousness
to them, we can avoid acting on them unconsciously and behaving as,
and becoming, what we despise, avoid and judge.

>From my perspective - others may have different ones - meditation is
about coming to know ourselves as a whole rather than losing ourselves
or becoming other than we are. (Regular meditation will change us and
deepen us but meditation is about being present and in the process not
achieving goals. Transformation is a by-product of being and if we
cannot simply be we will never be transformed by meditation.) Once we
truly know ourselves we can consciously choose which thoughts and
feelings we feed and act upon. What we feed grows, we can feed
thoughts and emotions through added attention and energy or through
using extra energy to repress them. Thoughts we repress tend to
resurface more strongly and run the risk of becoming obsessive. If we
can just watch the river of thoughts and feelings that flow through us
as we meditate, without becoming attached to them and mistaking our
fleeting thoughts and feelings for our eternal being, we can come to
know who we truly are.

May the salesmen stop knocking at your door once you've checked out
their wears. It is always your choice as to whether you invest energy
in what they're selling

blessings
ovasoul

--- In Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "true_believer_7"
wrote:
>
>
> Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were
> generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer,
> I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and
> see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a
> persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude.
>
> Thank you and Peace and light be with you.
>

>

02-08-2006, 10:51 PM

True Believer:

You are right. The thoughts running around your mind aren't yours.

You make them yours by delving on them, by worrying about them, by fighting
them, etc.

So your approach of dealing with thoughts "Kind of like not looking at a
persistent salesman until they leave you alone type of attitude" may work. I
prefer the image of dealing with them like clouds. It is less judgmental.
See the judgment in "persistent salesman" sounds like you have an attachment
to those thoughts as you see them a certain way, as though they want
something from you. Even that is a thought. and it is giving energy to the
other thoughts.

Blessings,
Awtar Singh
Rochester, NY

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