Sex or Celibacy?

08-20-2001, 09:06 AM

Hi Everyone,

I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
anyhow if you are doing KY daily? Should sex be limited to a certain
length of time and/or to once a week, month or year? I also read
somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually ASSIST
in raising the kundalini. Is there a source for explicit info about
this? And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)? Most of us
heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe it
is. If it is I would like to know why. I also heard that having sex
can unblock the lower chakras so that could be a good thing, right?

Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know
more about using it wisely. Is there anything two people can to
together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the
kundalini? Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it
is. Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things? Do
you think men have more of a problem with this than women?

Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do
have a friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested
in having sex very often at all.

I would like to know how others have/are dealing with this issue.

Thanks for your help,

Steve

08-21-2001, 09:30 AM

Dear Steve,

The short answer is sex not celebacy. Your questions are good and the full
treatment would require a book. Not a bad idea.

KY is one of the few yogic paths that allows sex. Many of the hatha paths
require celebacy.

> I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
anyhow if you are doing KY daily?

The question is how you use your kundalini energy which is also related to
sexual energy. You can actually facilitate the rising of the kundalini
during sex if you use rootlock to raise the energy to the higher chakras.

Should sex be limited to a certain length of time and/or to once a week,
month or year?

Yogi Bhajan has said that if we really did sex right and both partners
raised their energy, we would be satisfied for several weeks.

I also read somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually
ASSIST in raising the kundalini.

This is true. The taoist books are good references on this.

And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)?

The male-female energies do not get balanced.

Most of us heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe
it is. If it is I would like to know why.

It is not that it is wrong. Lost of semen for a man dissipates energy that
takes about 2 days to replace.

I also heard that having sex can unblock the lower chakras so that could be
a good thing, right?

Yes.
>
> Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know more
about using it wisely.

Men need to learn to reduce loss of semen. Depends on the age. Yogi Bhajan
does not recommend as do the taoists that men never ejaculate. YB says that
this practice can cause problems in the prostrate.

Is there anything two people can to
> together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the kundalini?

Yes. Use rootlock and breathing.

Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it is.

Sat kriya and chair pose are for this. This is why we do KY, to channel or
energy upward.

Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things?

Do KY and overtime your energy will rise.

Do you think men have more of a problem with this than women?

Men and women work completely differently. Women do not lose energy in
orgasm. They relax and expand and get in a better mood.

> Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do have a
friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested in having
sex very often at all.

These generalizations are often true.

There are some couples on the list that can offer more information I am
sure.

Sat Nam,

Gururattan Kaur

08-21-2001, 05:15 PM

Dear Gururattan K.Khalsa
Men need to learn to reduce loss of semen. Depends on the age.
I am a young man.How should I learn the loss of semen?
What is more,it there any good exercise I can use tto stop the habit of
masturbation?I do it almost evry day and I REALLY can not resist the
temtation!:-(
Thank you in advance fr your help.
Blessings and Lots-of-Love,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gururattan K.Khalsa"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Kundaliniyoga] Sex or Celibacy?

> Dear Steve,
>
> The short answer is sex not celebacy. Your questions are good and the full
> treatment would require a book. Not a bad idea.
>
> KY is one of the few yogic paths that allows sex. Many of the hatha paths
> require celebacy.
>
>
> > I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> > is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> anyhow if you are doing KY daily?
>
> The question is how you use your kundalini energy which is also related to
> sexual energy. You can actually facilitate the rising of the kundalini
> during sex if you use rootlock to raise the energy to the higher chakras.
>
> Should sex be limited to a certain length of time and/or to once a week,
> month or year?
>
> Yogi Bhajan has said that if we really did sex right and both partners
> raised their energy, we would be satisfied for several weeks.
>
> I also read somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually
> ASSIST in raising the kundalini.
>
> This is true. The taoist books are good references on this.
>
> And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> > terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)?
>
> The male-female energies do not get balanced.
>
> Most of us heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe
> it is. If it is I would like to know why.
>
> It is not that it is wrong. Lost of semen for a man dissipates energy that
> takes about 2 days to replace.
>
> I also heard that having sex can unblock the lower chakras so that could be
> a good thing, right?
>
> Yes.
> >
> > Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know more
> about using it wisely.
>
> Men need to learn to reduce loss of semen. Depends on the age. Yogi Bhajan
> does not recommend as do the taoists that men never ejaculate. YB says that
> this practice can cause problems in the prostrate.
>
> Is there anything two people can to
> > together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the kundalini?
>
> Yes. Use rootlock and breathing.
>
> Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> > readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> > because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it is.
>
> Sat kriya and chair pose are for this. This is why we do KY, to channel or
> energy upward.
>
> Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> > over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things?
>
> Do KY and overtime your energy will rise.
>
> Do you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
>
> Men and women work completely differently. Women do not lose energy in
> orgasm. They relax and expand and get in a better mood.
>
>
> > Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> > heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do have a
> friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested in having
> sex very often at all.
>
> These generalizations are often true.
>
> There are some couples on the list that can offer more information I am
> sure.
>
> Sat Nam,
>
> Gururattan Kaur
>
>
> "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"
> - Yogi Bhajan
>
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08-21-2001, 06:12 PM

As a man, and as a former young man, I can relate. What helps a great deal these
days are certain exercises for male potency. They are in the marriage
manuals, the second volume. Maybe you have access, if not, let me know.
Basically, my brother, when our nervous system gets overloaded by our sexual
drive and
our mind starts runnin' off, we're sunk. What these exercises do is lessen the
tensions and tightnesses in our hips, back and chest. and allow an easier
flowing of that energy through our system. This is really wild stuff. You can
get so completely ripped on this if you can just ride the tiger. Another
technique is to simply not scratch the itch. Try simply breathing, not reacting
and allowing the "feeling" to become a total body experience. Just feel
completely and utterly horny as a "box of rabbits". Enjoy it, let it merge with
every point in the cosmos, if you want to go that far. Smile, breath and close
your eyes. It's a weakness in the nervous system that doesn't allow us to
consider other possibilities rather than the same old, same old.
Dharam,
P.S. Pulling the pud creates a pressure in the gray matter of the brain. Yogiji
teaches that there must be another person there to "absorb" the energy. He
goes so far as to say it is better to be with another man than to masturbate.

Dennis Vourtsis wrote:

> Dear Gururattan K.Khalsa
> Men need to learn to reduce loss of semen. Depends on the age.
> I am a young man.How should I learn the loss of semen?
> What is more,it there any good exercise I can use tto stop the habit of
masturbation?I do it almost evry day and I REALLY can not resist the
temtation!:-(
> Thank you in advance fr your help.
> Blessings and Lots-of-Love,
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gururattan K.Khalsa"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Kundaliniyoga] Sex or Celibacy?
>
> > Dear Steve,
> >
> > The short answer is sex not celebacy. Your questions are good and the full
> > treatment would require a book. Not a bad idea.
> >
> > KY is one of the few yogic paths that allows sex. Many of the hatha paths
> > require celebacy.
> >
> >
> > > I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> > > is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> > anyhow if you are doing KY daily?
> >
> > The question is how you use your kundalini energy which is also related to
> > sexual energy. You can actually facilitate the rising of the kundalini
> > during sex if you use rootlock to raise the energy to the higher chakras.
> >
> > Should sex be limited to a certain length of time and/or to once a week,
> > month or year?
> >
> > Yogi Bhajan has said that if we really did sex right and both partners
> > raised their energy, we would be satisfied for several weeks.
> >
> > I also read somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually
> > ASSIST in raising the kundalini.
> >
> > This is true. The taoist books are good references on this.
> >
> > And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> > > terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)?
> >
> > The male-female energies do not get balanced.
> >
> > Most of us heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe
> > it is. If it is I would like to know why.
> >
> > It is not that it is wrong. Lost of semen for a man dissipates energy that
> > takes about 2 days to replace.
> >
> > I also heard that having sex can unblock the lower chakras so that could be
> > a good thing, right?
> >
> > Yes.
> > >
> > > Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know more
> > about using it wisely.
> >
> > Men need to learn to reduce loss of semen. Depends on the age. Yogi Bhajan
> > does not recommend as do the taoists that men never ejaculate. YB says that
> > this practice can cause problems in the prostrate.
> >
> > Is there anything two people can to
> > > together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the kundalini?
> >
> > Yes. Use rootlock and breathing.
> >
> > Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> > > readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> > > because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it is.
> >
> > Sat kriya and chair pose are for this. This is why we do KY, to channel or
> > energy upward.
> >
> > Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> > > over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things?
> >
> > Do KY and overtime your energy will rise.
> >
> > Do you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
> >
> > Men and women work completely differently. Women do not lose energy in
> > orgasm. They relax and expand and get in a better mood.
> >
> >
> > > Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> > > heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> > consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do have a
> > friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested in having
> > sex very often at all.
> >
> > These generalizations are often true.
> >
> > There are some couples on the list that can offer more information I am
> > sure.
> >
> > Sat Nam,
> >
> > Gururattan Kaur
> >
> >
> > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"
> > - Yogi Bhajan
> >
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> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> - Yogi Bhajan
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08-21-2001, 08:09 PM

In a message dated 8/22/2001 5:57:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gordon@... writes:
>
> Try Venus Lock, hands behind your neck.
>

if i was a guy.... and didnt know much about KY, i would think
that a Venus lock with hands behind your neck sounds rather kinky... hehe

finding the thread interesting... i know in the past there have been posts
about child birth, womens "monthly visits" and such so i think something
like this really balances that energy off.... the men have endured alot of
that "women talk"

its also very interesting to note how different religious cultures view
sex and masturbation... whether its "evil" or satanic in one, or used to
build up and
preserve energy in another... all cultures view its results as a "powerful
force" that has to be tamed and handled in one way or another....

interesting....
Sat Nam
Sat Purkh Kaur

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08-21-2001, 11:44 PM

From: "Dennis Vourtsis"

> What is more,it there any good exercise I can use tto stop the habit of
masturbation?I do it almost evry day and I REALLY can not resist the
temtation!:-(

Try Venus Lock, hands behind your neck.
:-)

Sat Nam!
Gordon

08-22-2001, 01:15 AM

wet dreams are natural. we seem to forget we are animials and sex is a
priority for health.

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08-22-2001, 02:38 AM

I don't think men realize how painful it is for women - because men are "out
there" they can at least touch themselves but a woman's desire is to be
penetrated and the anguish when that doesn't happen is more then some women
can bear.

Peace

08-22-2001, 03:39 AM

Sat Nam,

My question is why do men seem to have it so much tougher when it comes to
sexuality? I haven't read anything about orgasm not being recommended for
women aside from general energy raising reasons, which sex can be
potentially helpful for. So if a man and woman were together having sex it
would be ideal for the woman to have many orgasms (which I read in the
marriage manual) and for the man to ejaculate as little as possible. Is
that a double standard or what?

Love Always,
littlebird Leslie
AKA Guru Chiter Kaur

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dharam Singh [mailto:dharam@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:46 AM
> To: Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Subject: Re: [Kundaliniyoga] Sex or Celibacy?
>
>
> The kriya I made mention of is also in "Sexuality and
> Spirituality" by Gururattan Kaur, page 41. It's called Guruka
> Kriya. The first exercise is
> the "Silver Bullet." No more "running around the block", or cold
> showers or "lifting bumpers" (it sort of works). Do that first exercise
> regularly, as in every morning and evening and whenever you are
> feeling that itch. It will release tensions in the pelvic bowl. A
> few months ago
> the "urge to merge" was so strong that I was just tossing and
> turning in my bed. In my resolve not to "pull the pud", I tried
> that "silver bullet"
> exercise and the experience was nearly orgasmic. I just sort of
> melted and it was very pleasurable. I think women have it easier
> because their
> genitalia is located inside their bodies and that allows for much
> more integration of these energies. Whereas us guys are really
> out there on our
> own. Anatomically and psychologically we really need to be
> "contained" and we are impotent without the feminine aspect in our life.
> All in all, sexuality is our path home. It's a gift and our right
> to "Rightness" in life. Use it well.
> Dharam
>
> supertriangel@... wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> > is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> > anyhow if you are doing KY daily? Should sex be limited to a certain
> > length of time and/or to once a week, month or year? I also read
> > somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually ASSIST
> > in raising the kundalini. Is there a source for explicit info about
> > this? And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> > terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)? Most of us
> > heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe it
> > is. If it is I would like to know why. I also heard that having sex
> > can unblock the lower chakras so that could be a good thing, right?
> >
> > Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know
> > more about using it wisely. Is there anything two people can to
> > together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the
> > kundalini? Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> > readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> > because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it
> > is. Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> > over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things? Do
> > you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
> >
> > Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> > heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> > consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do
> > have a friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested
> > in having sex very often at all.
> >
> > I would like to know how others have/are dealing with this issue.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"
> > - Yogi Bhajan
> >
> > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the YahooGroups Member
> Center (My Groups), or send mail to
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08-22-2001, 03:45 AM

The kriya I made mention of is also in "Sexuality and Spirituality" by
Gururattan Kaur, page 41. It's called Guruka Kriya. The first exercise is
the "Silver Bullet." No more "running around the block", or cold showers or
"lifting bumpers" (it sort of works). Do that first exercise
regularly, as in every morning and evening and whenever you are feeling that
itch. It will release tensions in the pelvic bowl. A few months ago
the "urge to merge" was so strong that I was just tossing and turning in my bed.
In my resolve not to "pull the pud", I tried that "silver bullet"
exercise and the experience was nearly orgasmic. I just sort of melted and it
was very pleasurable. I think women have it easier because their
genitalia is located inside their bodies and that allows for much more
integration of these energies. Whereas us guys are really out there on our
own. Anatomically and psychologically we really need to be "contained" and we
are impotent without the feminine aspect in our life.
All in all, sexuality is our path home. It's a gift and our right to "Rightness"
in life. Use it well.
Dharam

supertriangel@... wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> anyhow if you are doing KY daily? Should sex be limited to a certain
> length of time and/or to once a week, month or year? I also read
> somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually ASSIST
> in raising the kundalini. Is there a source for explicit info about
> this? And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)? Most of us
> heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe it
> is. If it is I would like to know why. I also heard that having sex
> can unblock the lower chakras so that could be a good thing, right?
>
> Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know
> more about using it wisely. Is there anything two people can to
> together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the
> kundalini? Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it
> is. Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things? Do
> you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
>
> Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do
> have a friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested
> in having sex very often at all.
>
> I would like to know how others have/are dealing with this issue.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Steve
>
> "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"
> - Yogi Bhajan
>
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08-22-2001, 05:05 AM

--- In Kundaliniyoga@y..., Dharam Singh wrote:

It's called Guruka Kriya. The first exercise is the "Silver Bullet."

Thank you. Could someone explain HOW to do this Silver Bullet
Kriya and how long it should be done. Do you do it daily or just
when you need to move the sexual energies?

08-22-2001, 05:07 AM

SAT NAM ALL

Ok - Now what about "wet dreams"? Apologies if this is a slightly crude way
of putting it - words fail me at the moment

Thanx for a superb group!!

SAT NAM

Patwant Singh

-----Original Message-----
From: Dharam Singh [mailto:dharam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:46 PM
To: Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Kundaliniyoga] Sex or Celibacy?

The kriya I made mention of is also in "Sexuality and Spirituality" by
Gururattan Kaur, page 41. It's called Guruka Kriya. The first exercise is
the "Silver Bullet." No more "running around the block", or cold showers or
"lifting bumpers" (it sort of works). Do that first exercise
regularly, as in every morning and evening and whenever you are feeling that
itch. It will release tensions in the pelvic bowl. A few months ago
the "urge to merge" was so strong that I was just tossing and turning in my
bed. In my resolve not to "pull the pud", I tried that "silver bullet"
exercise and the experience was nearly orgasmic. I just sort of melted and
it was very pleasurable. I think women have it easier because their
genitalia is located inside their bodies and that allows for much more
integration of these energies. Whereas us guys are really out there on our
own. Anatomically and psychologically we really need to be "contained" and
we are impotent without the feminine aspect in our life.
All in all, sexuality is our path home. It's a gift and our right to
"Rightness" in life. Use it well.
Dharam

supertriangel@... wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> anyhow if you are doing KY daily? Should sex be limited to a certain
> length of time and/or to once a week, month or year? I also read
> somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually ASSIST
> in raising the kundalini. Is there a source for explicit info about
> this? And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)? Most of us
> heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe it
> is. If it is I would like to know why. I also heard that having sex
> can unblock the lower chakras so that could be a good thing, right?
>
> Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know
> more about using it wisely. Is there anything two people can to
> together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the
> kundalini? Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it
> is. Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things? Do
> you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
>
> Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do
> have a friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested
> in having sex very often at all.
>
> I would like to know how others have/are dealing with this issue.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Steve
>
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> - Yogi Bhajan
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08-22-2001, 06:44 AM

I have wet dreams more often when I am run down emotionally or have over
extended my self, though. I also will have them when I have sublimated my
feelings of arousal to the point where I am not even aware of them. That's where
my need for release ends up coming out in my dreams. It's a
release, no doubt and I have to say it feels good but I'd rather own those
feelings in daytime consciousness and have fullfilling sex or at least
expressions of it.
Maybe I'll move to Jamaica, Puerto Rico or Greece where such expressions are
more culturally exceptable, albeit "sexist". Sometimes simply talking
about it and having an open-hearted rapport (tears and laughter included) can
make all the difference. Ya gotta express yourself. Even if all you
say is Wahe Guru.
I once was around Yogiji when he was waiting for students to settle in at a
course in NYC. There were some very beautiful women there in leotards
and whatnot. I was sitting watching it all and watching Yogiji watch it all. Now
here I am thinking "you gotta be noticing all this, right?" Well,
when he finally spoke, the first words out of his mouth were, and I quote "God
makes us all beautiful, but some he takes a little extra time"
BAM! That's my teacher! He acknowledged the obvious.

Still wrestling with "The Bull"!
Dharam

TAMMALOO69@... wrote:

> wet dreams are natural. we seem to forget we are animials and sex is a
> priority for health.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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08-22-2001, 07:00 AM

Regarding conservation of resources and "double standards". If I can transmute
the energy I deserve my orgasm. Having a loving experience of the
energy where it moves my emotions and circulates throughout my body and being is
a rich experience. I need to do that before I lose my seed
because with each orgasm a man loses his drive while a woman can actually get
more and more arroused until she actually just needs to sleep. No
double standard. Man loses nutrients but if he does it right he gets a little of
her "Yin Essence"( and she gets some of his "Yang Essence"). He
(I) feels full of life and ready to take on life. Man needs that exchange.
Dharam

littlebird108 wrote:

> Sat Nam,
>
> My question is why do men seem to have it so much tougher when it comes to
> sexuality? I haven't read anything about orgasm not being recommended for
> women aside from general energy raising reasons, which sex can be
> potentially helpful for. So if a man and woman were together having sex it
> would be ideal for the woman to have many orgasms (which I read in the
> marriage manual) and for the man to ejaculate as little as possible. Is
> that a double standard or what?
>
> Love Always,
> littlebird Leslie
> AKA Guru Chiter Kaur
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dharam Singh [mailto:dharam@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:46 AM
> > To: Kundaliniyoga (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > Subject: Re: [Kundaliniyoga] Sex or Celibacy?
> >
> >
> > The kriya I made mention of is also in "Sexuality and
> > Spirituality" by Gururattan Kaur, page 41. It's called Guruka
> > Kriya. The first exercise is
> > the "Silver Bullet." No more "running around the block", or cold
> > showers or "lifting bumpers" (it sort of works). Do that first exercise
> > regularly, as in every morning and evening and whenever you are
> > feeling that itch. It will release tensions in the pelvic bowl. A
> > few months ago
> > the "urge to merge" was so strong that I was just tossing and
> > turning in my bed. In my resolve not to "pull the pud", I tried
> > that "silver bullet"
> > exercise and the experience was nearly orgasmic. I just sort of
> > melted and it was very pleasurable. I think women have it easier
> > because their
> > genitalia is located inside their bodies and that allows for much
> > more integration of these energies. Whereas us guys are really
> > out there on our
> > own. Anatomically and psychologically we really need to be
> > "contained" and we are impotent without the feminine aspect in our life.
> > All in all, sexuality is our path home. It's a gift and our right
> > to "Rightness" in life. Use it well.
> > Dharam
> >
> > supertriangel@... wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I don't see too much info on this but I am wondering how important
> > > is it to abstain from sex for the kundalini to rise. Or will it rise
> > > anyhow if you are doing KY daily? Should sex be limited to a certain
> > > length of time and/or to once a week, month or year? I also read
> > > somewhere that if you don't climax that it could actually ASSIST
> > > in raising the kundalini. Is there a source for explicit info about
> > > this? And is masturbation worse or equal to sex with another in
> > > terms of dissapating the energies (or any other reasons)? Most of us
> > > heard that masturbation was wrong from childhood I think. Maybe it
> > > is. If it is I would like to know why. I also heard that having sex
> > > can unblock the lower chakras so that could be a good thing, right?
> > >
> > > Clearly, sexual energy is a powerful force so I would like to know
> > > more about using it wisely. Is there anything two people can to
> > > together during sex to raise and/or enhance the raising of the
> > > kundalini? Also, what does YB say about all of this? What do other
> > > readers think/do about it? Often the sexual urge is just so annoying
> > > because it demands to be released and stays on your mind until it
> > > is. Is it better to try and resist that or just give in and get it
> > > over with so that your mind is free to move on to other things? Do
> > > you think men have more of a problem with this than women?
> > >
> > > Maybe some people are challenged more by this than others. I have
> > > heard that people with Mars in a fire sign have stronger and more
> > > consistant sexual impulses. I do not know if that is true but I do
> > > have a friend with Mars in Virgo who says he is not really interested
> > > in having sex very often at all.
> > >
> > > I would like to know how others have/are dealing with this issue.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"
> > > - Yogi Bhajan
> > >
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> > Kundalini Yoga & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs.
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08-22-2001, 08:29 AM

Dear Guru Chiter Kaur,
> My question is why do men seem to have it so much tougher when it comes to
> sexuality? I haven't read anything about orgasm not being recommended for
> women aside from general energy raising reasons, which sex can be
> potentially helpful for. So if a man and woman were together having sex
it
> would be ideal for the woman to have many orgasms (which I read in the
> marriage manual) and for the man to ejaculate as little as possible. Is
that a double standard or what?

You are going to have to talk to God about that. We are made completely
different. The law of polarities strikes again. We can achieve union
though if we both master our own essence and balance masculine and feminine
energies within ourselves.

Sat nam,

Gururattan Kaur