option 2- letter to JPS

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP!
You ask:

moment they are initiated?>

When you use phrases such as ‘moment they are initiated’ and ‘the time of
initiation’ what ‘moment’ or ‘time’ are you referring to and where are they
mentioned by Srila Prabhupada? You already said you were not talking about the
ceremony (which is what I had assumed when making my argument). Why will you
never tell us?

You say:
..


The letter to JPS does not contain the following injunction:

“Srila Prabhupada cannot initiate the delivery of disciples on this planet
without being present (incarnated) on this planet.”

I shall wait until you either agree with me or prove it does contain your
injunction before moving to the next piece of evidence. If you do neither then
I shall assume you are ‘dropping out’ of the debate.
Best wishes
Ys
Yadu



----- Original Message ----
From: Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)

To: Initiations in ISKCON
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:30:00 AM
Subject: I offer three options


Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!


> It was clear I was about to point out what I perceived to be the absurd
> repercussions of a position that APPEARED to assert that disciples were
> transferred back to the spiritual sky at the moment they are initiated;
> not put forward a theory I personally believed.

What is absurd if disciples are transferred back to the spiritual sky at the
moment they are initiated? If you cannot tell us, then your reductio ad
absurdum failed.


> but I still have no idea what you mean by phrases such as ‘the time of
> initiation’, ‘the initiation’ or ‘initiate the delivery’.

Then there is no use to discuss it.


> Of course you are free at any time to give up and drop out of the debate,
> but my three options are still on the table if you want to try and prove
> your claim or withdraw it:

I chose 2). But you will have to do it without any input from me.


> In which case I shall happily, and with great relish dismember your latest
> challenge.

You will not.


ys Ramakanta dasa

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