Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!


> You need to explain why my use of the term physical presence is fuzzy but
> not Srila Prabhupada's use of the term.

You did not explain whether by physical presence you mean physical presence
in the same universe, planet, country, town, or room.


> If physical presence is not important, as Srila Prabhupada states, then
> why on earth do you contradict him and claim it is vital to delivering
> disciples?

You wrote that Srila Prabhupada's physical presence in the material universe
is required:

"We must have a physical guru who appears physically in the material
universe." (Yaduraja, Nov 16, 2006)

So I can ask you the same question.


> And if a guru is not physically present how can you physically meet him?

Currently I am physically meeting you through the Internet although I am not
physically present in your town.


> You are so confused you even now challenge the very point made in your OWN
> evidence (letter to JPS) in which Srila Prabhupada states he remains in
> the material universe to deliver disciples:

In his later letter to Brahmananda wherein he explicitly referred to himself
Srila Prabhupada wrote "to come back from Goloka Vrindaban".


> What do you understand Srila Prabhupada means by the term ‘physical
> presence’ in each and every quote I gave that you claim is not fuzzy?

Why are you talking about physical presence if you don't know what it means
and have to ask me?


Now please have the decency to answer my questions:

What do you mean by "physical guru"? Do you mean "physically present in the
same universe"? And what do you mean by "physically present for his
disciples"? Do you mean "physically present in the same room"?

Why did Srila Prabhupada go to New York and other cities, if his physical
presence was not required there to initiate and deliver disciples?

How can we go to a physical spiritual master if we don't know where he is
(when he is not physically present on this planet)?

Why does Srila Prabhupada have to come back to this material universe, if he
remains within this material universe in the form of books etc. that are
sufficient to guide all ISKCON members?

How can Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur deliver his disciples who
took birth again on the earth, if he does not initiate them (as you claim)?


ys Ramakanta dasa