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im not speaking for drinking but merely acknowledging that drinking habits has always been there in ancient india . you are certainly free to prove me wrong if you are knowledgable enough !!


do you not understand the bhava of the words when spoken ? i think you do not . when i said buddha i meant the enlightened state or buddhahood .

once again .......your shallow knowledge in hindu spirituality !! ha ha .

it is very much possible to get liberated while living in a body .........although only by rarest of rare individuals . they are called jivanmuktas or one who is liberated even while living . nirvikalpa samadhi which is considered as the highest perfectional stage automatically liberates a soul but he might live in that state for a period not extending 22 days . those few days of his living is also after moksha ......got it ?

ordinary liberation and historical buddha are not the same thing . characters like buddha come once in a millenia . they cannot be compared to many others getting liberated .


ha ha ha !! you are a child . no it is never possible ...... the action of a liberated soul automatically corresponds to the divine will . he doesnt have to try to remain truthfull but his nature is perfected to such a degree that he cannot help but be trutfull . after liberation there is no chance of falling down ever . if someone falls down that prooves that he was never liberated in the first place !!

however there is a class of rare men (whom people like to worship or assign divinity ) who willingly comes back to the material world after liberation to teach people ...


why are you so arrogant .?.....it shows in you writings and i thought we are just discussing !!

can you explain that more sambya

sambya :

And why should I? By keep asking other to prove you to be wrong, you have already believed that you are correct. In such situation, explaining anything to you could be a waste of time.

And what may I ask do you understand by this state of Buddhahood?

Jivanmukta concept could only be found in Advaita Vedanta - which was founded by Adi Shankara. And it is the ONLY school which stated such concept where a person can achieve Moksha even while he still alive.

Jivanmukta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And what happens after the 22 days?

Then you agree that there are other Buddhas who have come and went from the time Gautama Buddha was around to this day?

And there is no such thing as Historical Buddha. The True Buddha is Gautama Buddha ALONE. The next one could be Maitreya Buddha.

Thank you. I shall take that as a compliment.

And you are AFRAID. Why are you afraid?

now your are evading the simple question !! i assure you i am really interested to see the other way of understanding as seen by someone else ! i am eager to know what your views are about vedic culture on drinking !

when you reply to a question with another question ( which you did a lot of times) how can you expect others to reply to your question with an answer ?!! that a bad logic.......

but anyways since i cannot be you , here is what i mean by buddhahood and buddha :

buddhahood or attainment of bodhittva - a perfectional stage of human developement bothe materially and spiritually resulting in realization of the truth and consequent liberation , attained through the practise of deep contemplation and meditation . of course this is a highly inadequate answer , for details might extend into pages .

buddha - the price siddhartha gautama who set froth this exemplary renunciation by quitting his kingdom and famil in search of peace and truth . the person who had brahmajigyasa (spiritual inquisiton) merely by seeing different stages of a human life !! one who lead a austere life and underwent extreme tapasya before realizing and attaining peace and enlightment , drwing around him a group of influential disciples from which came forward the later world faith of buddhism !! this is buddha .

buddhahood and buddha himself are not the same terms ..



stop referring to wikipedia articles filled with mistakes !!

biologically he dies(bodily functions ceases)
spiritually he is liberated(moksha)

are you a buddhist ?

sambya :

I don't see the purpose of me entertaining you in this matter. Have you not walk around stating how Vedic culture have allowed alcohol drinking?

Buddhahood is nothing to do with attaining Bodhivatta. Matter a fact, such belief can only be found in Mahayana Buddhism, which Thervada Buddhism (teachings of Gautama Buddha) do not support.

If your goal is to obtain state of Bodhivatta, then you will not find enlightment and will still fall down to the cycle of rebirth.

That's funny, you usually use Wikipedia to support your claims in the past.

Anyway, as the Wikipedia have stated, ONLY those who believes in Advaita follows the belief of Jivamukti.

Then what is the use of him being alive for 22 days? Might as well that he dies straightaway.

In Thervada Buddhism, Gautama Buddha have achieved Enlightnment but he choose to suspend the final process (which involves physical death) in order to teach Humans about the Truth.

I'm the Serpeant that Guarded the Buddha in His meditation.

so you cannot prove me wrong


i dont know what bodhivatta is . i was reffereing to bodhittva which is a word used in some indian languages meaning the stage or level of buddhahood .



show me where ......!! one isolated case would not do ....





i said " a period not extending 22 days " .

he might die that very moment !!


yes .....and how many ordinary mortals can just do that ?

avoidance ?!!

Sambya :

Proving you to be wrong could not make you into a good person NOR will it make me into a wiser person. I could be wasting my time trying to educate someone who believes that alcohol is good for him.

You speak of words which you do not understand, and expect others to call you wise. Foolish indeed.

The very fact that one isolated case (as you call it) remains shows that you are using Wikipedia even so its contents are doubtful. That is proof enough.

I did not ask you how long he lives, I asked you WHY he should live 22 days?

The Buddhas are ANYTHING BUT ordinary.

Up to you on what you should believe.

i dont belive alcohol is good for me ...........i dont take any such drinks .which i already told in the begining !!



i spoke of bodhittva and i understand the word very well . i dont know what is bodhivatta . it is you who is confusing between the two and refusing to acknowledge the confusion !!

ha ha ha ........ i never used any wikipedia source (to all my remembrance i didnt ) .however i said "isolated case" because i couldnt be 100 % sure ....

anyways you said that "you usually quote wikipedia" . and next you say that one example((show me if you can) is enough . now one example is not 'usual' .......................it is 'exceptional'..................isnt it ?!!



comm'on now......................trying to escape the questions only make discussions lengthy !!

sambya :

He who speaks in behalf of a drunkard are equally at fault as the drunkard themselves. Even those who wish to give up drinking will be spoilt by people like you who defend their drinking attitudes.

Whahahahahaha

You're a person who have no idea whatsoever on what comes out of your mouth. Just like a sawhai person I know of in another forum.

You said you spoke of Bodhivatta and understood the word but you do not know what it is. Then what is the use of knowing the word but not the meaning? Isn't that stupid? Yet, you have guts to come to me and say I'm confused.

You cannot say NEVER and then use words like "couldn't be sure" together, can you? It shows that you do not know what comes out of your mouth and have poor control of your Mind.

what might be my motive behind defending a drunkard ......i certainly did not defend anyone !!

acknowledging that alcohol was widely used in vedic times and encouranging to drink is not the same .

anyways you have still not shown me evidence to the contrary .....im waiting.


once again.....i spoke of bodhittva , not bodhivatta ..............get it corrected !!



now prove it if you can !! find me a text(only one wouldnt do) where i quoted wiki .....do it and then shout as much as you can ..