Are Sikhs,Buddhists and Jains Hindus? - Page 7

govindrajaa · 09-07-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hin

Guesto, of course you are going to stick up for the Brahmin caste, you are a Brahmin. Your caste has caused so much death and destruction that it is not even funny. We all know that Muslims and Christians are bad but guess what kid? Brahmins are in the same boat. No different then violent and opressive Muslims and Christians other then the fact that Brahmins, since they are cowardly by nature opressed people spiritually via a harsh caste system.

How did you come to a conclusion that Muslims and christans are bad, just by looking at the new papers and watching news, Even RSS people burnt lot of muslims and chirstians alive they didnt even spare a priest in the church
for that sake even gandhi was killed by an hindu, indra gandhi was killed by so called shiks, rajiv gandhi was killed by hindus
this is not the question of cast it is the question of what type of human you are.

riih.qarojamahoamaan · 09-10-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by govindrajaa

Brahmin will better take birth as a dog rather than a pious man. I hate Brahmins from the bottom of my heart

HOW DO YOU NOW THAT YOU WERE NOT A BRAHMIN IN YOUR PREVIOUS LIFE? IT SEEMS YOU FORGET YOU WERE A BRAHMIN, AND NOW YOU WERE BORN IN A DIFFERENT CASTE SO YOU CORRECT THE MISTAKES YOU DID AS A BRAHMIN. WHEN YOU WERE A BRAHMIN YOU TAUGHT WRONG THINGS. NOW YOU MUST TEACH THE RIGHT WAY.
YOUR FATE IS TO LEAD A REVOLUTION TO MAKE INDIA A HAPPY COUNTRY WITH A HAPPY POPULATION. BRAHMINS ARE ONLY 3% OF INDIA'S POPULATION; BRUSH THEM ASIDE! YOU LEAD THE 97% RISE IN A REVOLUTION TO MAKE A DIFFERENT INDIA WITH ALL PEOPLE HAPPY IN JUSTICE!

BY THE WAY, NOBODY HAS ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS:
The Bible says that when Qain murdered his brother Abel, God put a mark on him so that people seeing Qain could not attack him, then Qain emigrated and traveled eastward from Eden, until he reached the land written in 3 letters "n-u-d".
1) Now, can someone say which was the land of "n-u-d" where Qain settled?
2) What was the mark that Qain got for his safety?
3) Can there be any descendant of Abel in the world?
4) Can there be anyone in the world who is NOT Qain's descendant?
5) Qain was envious when his brother Abel got success by means of correct sacrifices. What can someone do when he envies someone else's sacrifices?

PiyushNirawala · 09-20-2007, 11:28 AM

jains are not at all hindus.. nor hindus are jains.. both the rligions are age old religions.. so old that its difficult to say that both the religions are one and the same..
jains dont accept the vedas as their holy granthas, so tehy are not vedic.. jains belive in JINA.. and the followers of JINA is called as jain..
jain is a religion propogated by jain tirthankara..
how can one religion be a subsect of other religion...?
there are evidences of the jain idols found in the ruins and excavations of HADDAPPA and MOHANDE JADO..
jianism existed well before the times of mahaveer swami.. mahaveer swami ie the 24th tirthankara .. he is not the founder of jains..
the first jain tirthankara is the AADINATH or RISHABHNATHA....
even if hindus consider aadinath as one of the avtaras of vishnu.. jains consider AADINATH as the independent soul.. not the avtara of any deity or god..
the concept of world is totally different in both the religions..
hindus consider that brahma vishnu and mahesh are the ones, who look after this world..
it is the belief of the hindus that the world is controlled by these deities..
where as jains consider that there is no god to control the world..
every thing in this world has its own laws, similarly the world has its own laws of existance...
no one is the creator and the destroyer of this world..
this is the firm belief of jains...
there are separate holy books for jains as there are pooranas for hindus..
the holy books of jains are called as the AAGAMS..
the literature in the AAGAM is said to be the tirthankara waani.. the teachings of tirthankaras..
in jain tradition,,, the complete VEETARAG state of an individual is worshipped..
this state is not worshipped in vedic tradition.
the acharyas and the dharmagurus vary in both the religions a lot...
we find a lot of difference of practices in the hindu dharmaguru and the jain dharmaguru...
even it has been declared by the supreme court that jains are not hindus..
even so much so that a non jain is not at all supposed to visit the jain temple... as a jain temple is a place of worship for the jains and not the non jains...
there are lot more things that are even common in both the religions,, but i want to point out that jains are not at all hindus , and hindus are not jains..

Paru.Sha · 09-28-2007, 08:25 PM

I do believe that Sikhs, Jains, and Buddhists can be Hindus, but not that they have to be. Hinduism is the creator which sprouted all of these other religions, but a Buddhist may not want to be a Hindu, or a Jain may disagree with some of Hinduism's teaching, as well as a Sikh may say the same.

But I personally do see myself as more than one religion. I am a Hindu (firstly) and Sikh as well. I wear the Sikh kara and don't cut the hair on my head.

niranjan · 09-29-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PiyushNirawala

jains are not at all hindus.. nor hindus are jains.. both the rligions are age old religions.. so old that its difficult to say that both the religions are one and the same..
jains dont accept the vedas as their holy granthas, so tehy are not vedic.. jains belive in JINA.. and the followers of JINA is called as jain..
jain is a religion propogated by jain tirthankara..
how can one religion be a subsect of other religion...?
there are evidences of the jain idols found in the ruins and excavations of HADDAPPA and MOHANDE JADO..
jianism existed well before the times of mahaveer swami.. mahaveer swami ie the 24th tirthankara .. he is not the founder of jains..
the first jain tirthankara is the AADINATH or RISHABHNATHA....
even if hindus consider aadinath as one of the avtaras of vishnu.. jains consider AADINATH as the independent soul.. not the avtara of any deity or god..
the concept of world is totally different in both the religions..
hindus consider that brahma vishnu and mahesh are the ones, who look after this world..
it is the belief of the hindus that the world is controlled by these deities..
where as jains consider that there is no god to control the world..
every thing in this world has its own laws, similarly the world has its own laws of existance...
no one is the creator and the destroyer of this world..
this is the firm belief of jains...
there are separate holy books for jains as there are pooranas for hindus..
the holy books of jains are called as the AAGAMS..
the literature in the AAGAM is said to be the tirthankara waani.. the teachings of tirthankaras..
in jain tradition,,, the complete VEETARAG state of an individual is worshipped..
this state is not worshipped in vedic tradition.
the acharyas and the dharmagurus vary in both the religions a lot...
we find a lot of difference of practices in the hindu dharmaguru and the jain dharmaguru...
even it has been declared by the supreme court that jains are not hindus..
even so much so that a non jain is not at all supposed to visit the jain temple... as a jain temple is a place of worship for the jains and not the non jains...
there are lot more things that are even common in both the religions,, but i want to point out that jains are not at all hindus , and hindus are not jains..

Jainism is indeed a sect of HInduism, and we consider the Jains as Hindus as well.

I have interacted with a lot of Jains and they have stated themselves to be Hindus.

i had a Jain room partner, and I found the pictures of Hanuman and Vishnu and Hindu gods whom he used to worship along with Mahavira.

Jain concepts like soul, rebirth, karma, nibbana or moksha are in Hinduism as well and to ignore all this is real stupidity.

Mahavira himself was a Hindu prince.

I had a Jain female colleague of mine, who stated that she wore the tilak during rakshabandhan in her family.

Rakshabandhan is a hindu custom, in case u don't know.

Jain names are also Hindu . There is really not much difference at all between the 5 million Jains and the more than 1 billion Hindus.

dvteeofKrsna · 10-08-2007, 04:33 PM

Guest... please conduct ur research into Vedic Culture properly. Your absurd claim that the Vedas were written by the Brahmins is absoloutely incorrect. The Vedas were directly emnated by the Lord.. and out of Srila Vysadeva's mercy he compiled the Vedas into written form for our benefit.

hindu12 · 10-08-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dvteeofKrsna

Guest... please conduct ur research into Vedic Culture properly. Your absurd claim that the Vedas were written by the Brahmins is absoloutely incorrect. The Vedas were directly emnated by the Lord.. and out of Srila Vysadeva's mercy he compiled the Vedas into written form for our benefit.

actually I was guest and i had a lot of anger by reading many things that were written by anti-hindu sites. it wasn't until i did proper research did i find that the truth.

you are right the vedas were from God and caste was flexible society back then.

i have apologized earlier for my remarks. and i want to come out in the open for showing what an idiot I was. I hope those who had my views can learn that Hinduism is not what the anti-hindus make it seem.

the caste system is not a part of hinduism it is a malfunction by greedy people. all religions have problems. I have realizing that blaming Hinduism is wrong as it does not support this.

shivaji2000 · 10-09-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hindu12

actually I was guest and i had a lot of anger by reading many things that were written by anti-hindu sites. it wasn't until i did proper research did i find that the truth.

you are right the vedas were from God and caste was flexible society back then.

i have apologized earlier for my remarks. and i want to come out in the open for showing what an idiot I was.

Great modesty and humility.

We all make mistakes, but admitting it and rectifying it takes a lot of courage and character.

Thank you for this great personal example in wisdom and right conduct.