Proof that Swaminarayan is the supreme Lord? - Page 2

07-25-2007, 06:38 PM

will everyone stop these insults .........please.......

i dont have the best of memory but if it serves me right srila prabhupad did mention once that to lord hanuman .... lord ram only will be the supreme diety......

and he talked about the avataras as flowers like rose ,or sunflower or lotus ........now some may think rose is the best and others may think lotus or sunflower is best ........

lord swaminarayan himself claimed that krishna was the supreme diety ...but then he again said that .. just at the devotees during krishna's time started worshipping krishna and not Ram once they recognized krishna as god incarnate .. so also one must worship god in the form he reaveals to them as the supreme......

as far as the authenticity of lineage is concerned followers of ramanuja dont recognize swaminarayan any more or less than followers of madhavaharya recognize hare krishnas......

for the madhavas vrindavan was the supreme place .. for the hare krishnas goloka is the supreme place in the centre of vrindavan.... and for the followers of swaminarayan akshardham is the supreme place in the middle of goloka.........

it to best to follows one's owns gurus instructions and mantras ....whatever one believes .....i have associated with devotees and saints form both the swaminarayan and harekrishna sects and i have witnessed divinity in both.....

so everyone please stop these insults ..........

PS according to swaminarayan .. ishwar means (devas)shiva ganesh etc.....

ram, krishna etc are the parabrahman the avatars of god...... and the most recent incarnation of god is the avtari(source of all previous avatars )...for examples ram displayed 12 divine qualities ....krishna displayed 16 ..and swaminarayan displays 24 ...... krishna was the source of all avatars before him and swaminarayan is the source of all incarnations before him .....

and here is the most important statment that i think swaminarayan made
"one must always understand that whatever god (swaminarayan) says or does is for for the good of devotees"

all this i have said is what i recollect from memory as i read vachanamrut and gita long time ago.....

07-25-2007, 06:47 PM

i will be convinced that lord swaminarayan is the supreme or lord krishna is supreme the day lord hanuman says so...

in the mean time i agree 100 percent with what lord chaitanya and lord swaminarayan have to say......

07-26-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

Also 99.9% semi-Narayan followers are Patels. Once a person joins this cult they throw away the statues of other gods in their home saying they are inferior. I have witnessed this myself.

lol, that is so not true, there are many Punjabis and South Indian followers. We do not through away the deities of Devas, but we do not worship them out of respect for Lord Swaminarayan.

Jai Swaminarayan

celina12 · 07-26-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by swaminarayanaya_namaha

Jai Swaminarayan Akshar.

My Name is Kishan. I am A Kishore at the BAPS mandir in Portland, OR. What Mandal are you from?

I have read your posts and i do agree with you. Although when you say that Krishna Avtaar didn't make India a better place to live, thats not true. It did because that avtaar killed Paapi's like Kamsa, Duryodhan, Shakuni, and others. When Maharaj Came on the Earth, he Made it a better Place to live by NOT killing, but By changing there Aasurik Tatvo's and Making Them Good things. He Destroyed there Evil Ways, NOT them Thats somthing the Other Avtars DIDN'T do. so yeah.

if you don't mind, then i would like to call you and do some Goshti on this matter.

Jai Swaminarayan
Pramukh Swami Maharaj Ni JAI!!!!
BAPS Shatabdi Mahotsav Ni JAI!!!

Hey Kishan. I agree with you comments. Lord Swaminarayan was different(AND SUPREME) because of his powerful words.

07-26-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

Also 99.9% semi-Narayan followers are Patels. Once a person joins this cult they throw away the statues of other gods in their home saying they are inferior. I have witnessed this myself.

when? quit spouting lies. Swaminarayan followers do keep deities of the Devas.

And kindly do not INSULT Lord Swaminarayan.

07-26-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ---

will everyone stop these insults .........please.......

i dont have the best of memory but if it serves me right srila prabhupad did mention once that to lord hanuman .... lord ram only will be the supreme diety......

and he talked about the avataras as flowers like rose ,or sunflower or lotus ........now some may think rose is the best and others may think lotus or sunflower is best ........

lord swaminarayan himself claimed that krishna was the supreme diety ...but then he again said that .. just at the devotees during krishna's time started worshipping krishna and not Ram once they recognized krishna as god incarnate .. so also one must worship god in the form he reaveals to them as the supreme......

as far as the authenticity of lineage is concerned followers of ramanuja dont recognize swaminarayan any more or less than followers of madhavaharya recognize hare krishnas......

for the madhavas vrindavan was the supreme place .. for the hare krishnas goloka is the supreme place in the centre of vrindavan.... and for the followers of swaminarayan akshardham is the supreme place in the middle of goloka.........

it to best to follows one's owns gurus instructions and mantras ....whatever one believes .....i have associated with devotees and saints form both the swaminarayan and harekrishna sects and i have witnessed divinity in both.....

so everyone please stop these insults ..........

PS according to swaminarayan .. ishwar means (devas)shiva ganesh etc.....

ram, krishna etc are the parabrahman the avatars of god...... and the most recent incarnation of god is the avtari(source of all previous avatars )...for examples ram displayed 12 divine qualities ....krishna displayed 16 ..and swaminarayan displays 24 ...... krishna was the source of all avatars before him and swaminarayan is the source of all incarnations before him .....

and here is the most important statment that i think swaminarayan made
"one must always understand that whatever god (swaminarayan) says or does is for for the good of devotees"

all this i have said is what i recollect from memory as i read vachanamrut and gita long time ago.....

NO parabrahm is only semi narayan, read the book Akshar Purshottam Upasana by the BAPS.

07-26-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MEME1

when? quit spouting lies. Swaminarayan followers do keep deities of the Devas.

And kindly do not INSULT Lord Swaminarayan.

All the seminarayan followers i know only keep pictures of seminarayan and their gurus, several of them followed Lord Siva or Krsna and now their murties are disposed of by throwing in water.

07-26-2007, 07:05 PM

why are the murties of our Lord Sri Krsna or Vishu bhagwan so small in seminarayan mandirs compared to their guru and false god's statue?

07-26-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

why are the murties of our Lord Sri Krsna or Vishu bhagwan so small in seminarayan mandirs compared to their guru and false god's statue?

lol, you are quite ridiculous mate. Lord Swaminarayan is LORD SUPREME. So of course in his temples his murti is the biggest. He is avatari(the source). No need to worship other deities. Peace

Quit saying Seminarayan, you know it's SWAMINARAYAN, grow up!

07-26-2007, 11:03 PM

Nar narayan dev was in badrikashram. u lot heard the story of him being cursed by rishi dhurvasa? Swaminarayan was nar narayan incarnate himself.
if you do not want to believe it dont, but dont stop others and mis guide them in any way ok?
because swaminarayan followed the teachings of ramanuj acharya. Ramanand swami was incarnate of udhavji. Hence he swaminarayan sampraday was once called udhav sampraday. what he did no ordinary man could do.
Krishna himself has declared that he is ever present on the earth, if not as himself then his saints are. Lord swaminarayan re established the vedic rituals and practices that were being abolished at the time. God is said to come whenever there is unrightousness. he will protect the vedas and saints and re establish religion. he did this. Read the vachanamrut! it is divine. Lords words himself. A true gnani. it makes life so peaceful. it reads about brahm (purush), jiva (soul), ishawar (vairat narayan), maya (prakruti) and par brahm (vasudev narayan). and how to love the lord and fill yourself with bhakti. the lord created many a miracles and up lifted society. along with the creations of millions of brahmands through maya and pradhan purush.

Do not just insult the lord. be happy. god comes in many forms. and as a vaishnav we should understand this. even the vedas cannot describe hari and his leela and his various forms, so who are we to discriminate?

fill yourself with Bhakti and love for krishna. He is source of all. You will begin to even treat mere souls as god and see god in them all. and have that love for them.

Jay shri krishna, jay swaminarayan. jay dwarika deesh. sab santan ki jay!

07-26-2007, 11:09 PM

Lord Swaminarayan says, "God is sakar - forever with a form. God is full of divinity, free from all evil and the reservoir of all bliss. He is extremely radiant, extremely pleasant, extremely glorious and divine. The Lord’s divine abode Akshardham is conscious and divine light. And the God residing at the center of the light is Me. I am Paramatman, the God Supreme."

07-27-2007, 08:12 AM

I think the person that stated that Swaminarayan followers throw away all other statues chat pure rubbish. Simply because in most Swaminarayan Mandirs, there are murtis (not statues) of other Gods. Visit Swaminarayan Akshardham New Delhi, visit London Swaminarayan Mandir, visit ANY mandir in fact and you will see murtis of other devas and great heroes of Hinduism. In fact, in Swaminarayan Akshardham, there are 48 different murtis of Ganesh just on the monument, let alone inside the monument. So get your facts right mate before you come here and try to insult Swaminarayan followers. So what if they throw other murtis away? That's not what is taught by Swaminarayan. Swaminarayan sais to respect all Gods and those people are just stupid if they throw away other murtis.

Also, please do not call the gurus false - there are many people whom that would hurt. Clearly, you don't have any mahima for Lord Swaminarayan or the Gurus - thats fine but do not insult them as that would hurt many Swaminarayan followers who have a lot of faith in these Gurus.

07-27-2007, 02:59 PM

First of athere is a orthodox Satsang which has not changed in terms of philosophy since Bhagwan Swaminarayan established it. Then there are sects liek BAPS who have laid down there new philosophies which differ from the orthodox one.

Now to generalise between the two would be a foolish thing to do. Truth is that Swaminarayan is Bhagwan Purshottam Himself. Now to hold Him as an Ishtadev would mena that you would be focussing on worshipping Him devoutly. This would mean that you wouldnt hold as much love for His previous incarnations as you would with Him. This is common. For example Gosvami Tulsidas had darshan of Shri Krishna is Vrindavan and then he said Show me yourself with the Bow and arrow and Shri Bhagwan did. Then He bowed down and worshipped Bhagwan.

This was because Shri Raam was Tulsidasjis Isthadev. Now to have the other avtaars at all in the Swaminarayan Mandirs is a great thing. As many other Upasya devs mandirs do not even have that. For example is a Shivalay you would see only the Shivji's Ling or Shiv Kutumb.

So its time people stopped pointing fingers and advanced in their own paths and ways of Bhakti instead.

Jay Swaminarayan
Nar Narayan Dev Ni Jay

07-28-2007, 01:12 AM

what did lord krishna said to arjuna, that you do gayatri jap? say hanuman chalisa? worship lord rama? but he said all are true lord rama, shiva, gayatri, but hey arjuna i am krishna i am standing in front of u, so come to my sharana. i will save u.
so like wise lord swaminarayan is pragat within saints , and like wise in hinduism and other religions all worship only one god. pativrata bhakti. so we do. if one's wife says that all men are same to me then what? so the people who are saying this quote has no knowledge about dharma and shaashtras so they blame and spoils the name of religion.
Jai Swaminarayan[/quote]

07-28-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest01

lol, you are quite ridiculous mate. Lord Swaminarayan is LORD SUPREME. So of course in his temples his murti is the biggest. He is avatari(the source). No need to worship other deities. Peace

Quit saying Seminarayan, you know it's SWAMINARAYAN, grow up!

99 percent of hindus don't even recognize seminarayan as god, let alone god supreme. There is no proof in any authentic VEDIC scriptures, this does not includes your own cult's scriptures. All people who have joined seminarayan movement have thrown away other god's murties.

07-28-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

99 percent of hindus don't even recognize seminarayan as god, let alone god supreme. There is no proof in any authentic VEDIC scriptures, this does not includes your own cult's scriptures. All people who have joined seminarayan movement have thrown away other god's murties.

Firstly its Swaminarayan you Shastra illiterate fool.

Secondly, there is alot of proof. read the Skand Puran the Visvaksen Samitah the Vishnu Dharmottar etc. before coming here with your drivel. Anyway which scripture mentions every single avtaar? There have been thousands upon thousands in this Universe. Which shastra mentions all of them? Even Nar Narayan Bhagwan stated this to Naradji in the Vasudev Mahatmyam.

Thirdly, 200 years after Bhagwan Shri krishna left 99 percent of hindus didnt recognise Him as God either. Does this mean that He wasnt God? For if this is how God is judged in this way then whatever next~? You make a lousy Vaishnav if thats what you are. Truth is the Swaminarayan Sampraday is flourishing as each day goes by. Jealousy and your ego will not get you anywhere my friend.

Its time you sorted your own moksh out before interfering in the paths of others.

Jay Swaminarayan.

07-28-2007, 09:35 PM

tell me what shastra has said that seminarayan is god supreme above Krishna, other than your own. Which shastra says that all the other avatars will die during mahapralaya and are under maya.

Jai Seminarayan

07-29-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

tell me what shastra has said that seminarayan is god supreme above Krishna, other than your own. Which shastra says that all the other avatars will die during mahapralaya and are under maya.

Jai Seminarayan

First of all no authentic Swaminarayan scriptures, its authentic saints, bhakts or Acharyas state that other avtaars are lower then Swaminarayan Bhagwan nor that they die during Mahapralay.

That is utter nonesense. Not only that but those who believe such will go to hell. All avtaars are of Purshottam Narayan and Purshottam Narayan is all His avtaars. Only BAPS followers would come out with such dhong. WHere on earth did you hear it from? Next time find out the truth for yourself from real scriptures instead of coming on here with your drivel.

Secondly, read Vasudev Mahatmyam in the Skand Puran from Shloka 42 onwards. Then tell me what you think. Thats just one reference. I will give you them after realising your thoughts about it.

JAY SWAMINARAYAN.

dharmesh mistry · 07-30-2007, 12:26 AM

hey. is ur marriage is fixed before ur birth? before knowing whether ur male or female. like wise the supreme lord narayan himself had not came to earth, how can any one know about him. before lord swaminarayan , only awtaars had born. but he is awtaari. in gita also krishna said to arjuna , that i, we, and all goes to the sharana to the purshotttam. and that's purshottam is lord swaminarayan. so swaminarayan is not a new god, but the vaishnavs whom they call krishna(awtaar) is the ansh of purshottam swaminarayan. so donot waste time in reading scriptures. bcos if today god comes to u and says i am god, will u waste time in finding scriptures whether it is written in it that god will come to me.

dharmesh mistry · 07-30-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Guest

First of all no authentic Swaminarayan scriptures, its authentic saints, bhakts or Acharyas state that other avtaars are lower then Swaminarayan Bhagwan nor that they die during Mahapralay.

That is utter nonesense. Not only that but those who believe such will go to hell. All avtaars are of Purshottam Narayan and Purshottam Narayan is all His avtaars. Only BAPS followers would come out with such dhong. WHere on earth did you hear it from? Next time find out the truth for yourself from real scriptures instead of coming on here with your drivel.

Secondly, read Vasudev Mahatmyam in the Skand Puran from Shloka 42 onwards. Then tell me what you think. Thats just one reference. I will give you them after realising your thoughts about it.

JAY SWAMINARAYAN.

hey u , lord swaminarayan had said not to insult any god then why ur are insulting baps. did u know that pramukh swami had only spread the name of the lord swaminarayan world wide. other wise till date we might have been worshiping only narnarayan, laxminarayan, and what swaminarayan want to tell us will be there only and lord swaminarayan had to come on earth again to fulfill his message.