If Krishna knows

02-05-2003, 11:08 PM

If Krishna knows everything you have done in the past, everything you are doing and everything you are going to do in the future does that mean even the times in your life you felt like you made the wrong decision is it ultimately the will of Krishna?

paul108 · 02-05-2003, 11:16 PM

That's pretty much the way I see it.

Hare Krishna

xxvvii · 02-06-2003, 12:53 AM

Everyone longs for unexpected help, but this is a gamblers'world: both right & wrong decision with free will is to indicate the right way. Please entrust your future to careful choices more than too much help that disturbs the game.

theist · 02-06-2003, 02:09 AM

Ever want to do something but you know its wrong, and you wrestle with that deep down voice of consciece that is trying to talk you out of it, trying to influence you to take the high road, but you do it anyway?

Was that voice Supersoul?

livingentity · 02-06-2003, 03:22 AM

What about when you are trying to decide whether or not to do something (not necessarily wrong) and you keep flip flopping - yes no yes no - I know the ultimate decision is the Supreme Lord's but what is the decision battle about?

theist · 02-06-2003, 03:27 AM

I think that may just be the mind. It's nature is to accept and reject. Not sure though.

livingentity · 02-06-2003, 03:39 AM

Very true. The mind can be our friend and our enemy.

02-06-2003, 09:34 AM

more mistakes=more learning

All glories to RadheKrsna!

Joy

paul108 · 02-06-2003, 06:11 PM

When I can't decide about something relatively trivial, I often flip a coin. If I can't decide about something more important, I still may flip a coin, but with the option of overruling the coin. A non-binding coin toss can easily raise my awareness of the decision I want to make when it's not always clear at first.

Hare Krishna

02-06-2003, 07:54 PM

I think mistakes are the result of our own spiritual entanglement and not anything Krishna has imposed. I think Krishna is pleased if we learn from our mistakes but isn't planning on watching us repeat them. Krishna does not make the decision to apply one's self for us, so we are left to fend for ourselves until we reach the enlightened plateau where he is waiting.

02-08-2003, 08:49 AM

Just like we know the seasons of a year ahead, the Lord too knows about the future. But whether the living entity is going to surrender to the Lord or not is still open and that is freedom is still in the hands of the individual soul.

02-08-2003, 08:52 AM

Just like we know the seasons of a year ahead, the Lord too knows about the future. But whether the living entity is going to surrender to the Lord or not is still open and that is freedom is still in the hands of the individual soul. The proof for this is there In Prabhupada's teachings.
K. Jayavel.
jayavel_k2000@yahoo.co.in

02-08-2003, 09:17 PM

If Krishna knows everything that is going to happen then he surely knows who is going to surrender to him and who is not doesn't he. So even if you end up surrendering to him it is still his will isn't it?

02-08-2003, 10:45 PM

Knowledge of an event and willing that event to take place are not the same thing.

Priitaa · 02-11-2003, 07:13 PM

Freewill is always part of the decision making process IMHO. We can't blame Krsihna if we make a poor choice, even if He has the ability to know ahead of time which way we shall go. If Krishna didn't want us to have freewill, He would have kept us, by force, in the Spiritual world. Who would want to live in a word devoid of genuine freedom in the first place? Lack of freedom is not really spiriutal. Therefore we are given opportunity to learn how to correctly utilize that freedom, getting repeated chances to choose between Krishna or Maya -- with what appears as some grey area's in between, tho ultimately they are not.

I agree the mind plays a role in this too, but even that boils down to freewill. Krishna could force our mind to make a certain choice, but He lets us grow, as we let our children grow up. Thru our successes and mistakes we learn, we get purified, we make better spiriutal choices next time and maintain the good ones. This is my understanding, anyway. Thanks for loaning an ear.

YS,
Prtha dd

02-12-2003, 12:20 AM

If Krsna knows what is going to happen in future, then it does not prove that He willed it. But it does prove that it has to happen and nobody can stop it.

02-12-2003, 12:20 AM

If Krsna knows what is going to happen in future, then it does not prove that He willed it. But it does prove that it has to happen and nobody can stop it.

Avinash

Priitaa · 02-12-2003, 12:17 PM

I don't know that anything "has" to happen, because Krishna does give freewill. Unless you are speaking about karma. Though as devotees of Krishna, if we are following, Prabhupada explained we have unplugged the karmic fan and it is merely winding down. This isn't even regular karma, it is called "Krishna Karma." [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] So we get a little slap on the hand when we should have had our hand cut off, had it been our full or regular karma in action. As devotees not only is our karma drastically decreased, but we are more attentive and knowledgeable about the lessons it is trying to show us. Anyway, we always get to choose between Maya and Krishna. This is my understanding, for what its worth. Haribol.

YS,
Prtha dd

Priitaa · 02-12-2003, 06:17 PM

Someone just sent this to me in an email and I thought it related to the topic here regarding how choices, karma, and especially Krishna karma, is trying to show us various life lessons and spiriutal lessons in order to advance. While it may not be perfect as a representation of Krishna consciousness, it runs a close second. Hope the devotees on this forum like it. YS, Prtha dd

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BEAUTIFUL PRAYER

I asked God to take away my habit.
God said, No.
It is not for me to take away, but for you to give it up.

I asked God to make my handicapped child whole.
God said, No.
His spirit is whole, his body is only temporary

I asked God to grant me patience.
God said, No.
Patience is a byproduct of tribulations;
it isn't granted, it is learned.

I asked God to give me happiness.
God said, No.
I give you blessings; Happiness is up to you.

I asked God to spare me pain.
God said, No.
Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares
and brings you closer to Me.

I asked God to make my spirit grow.
God said, No.
You must grow on your own!,
but I will prune you to make you fruitful.

I ask God to help me LOVE others, as much as He loves me.
God said...Ahhhh, finally you have the idea.

May God Bless You.

Avinash · 02-12-2003, 11:53 PM

If somebody knows everything that is going to happen, then we can not have free will. Of course we feel that we have free will, but that is not the same as really having free will.