Re: Gemstones on ebay - mostly cheap junk

03-09-2006, 12:40 AM

Dear Mary,

Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for. Take a one carat
ruby for
example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a 10x loupe then it is
a
desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat enhanced. And then
there's the
question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one carat ruby will cost
over $1,000
per carat up to $7,000 per carat.

So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".

Best rgds,
Richard

--- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary" wrote:
>
> Dear Richard and fellow Members,
>
> I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires, rubies, etc)
> on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could hardly keep
> myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping - till I drop" !
> Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
>
> Mary
>
> PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting Gomati shell in
> gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how those things
> are made. Thank you again!
>

03-09-2006, 01:04 AM

Dear Richard,

thank you, as always, for your kind explanation. I'm such a "virgin"
in the world of gems that your advice is really worth its weight in
gold (or rubies, loupe clean

))!

Kindest regards
Mary

--- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"
wrote:
>
> Dear Mary,
>
> Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for. Take a
one carat ruby for
> example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a 10x
loupe then it is a
> desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat enhanced.
And then there's the
> question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one carat
ruby will cost over $1,000
> per carat up to $7,000 per carat.
>
> So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".
>
> Best rgds,
> Richard
>
> --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Richard and fellow Members,
> >
> > I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires, rubies,
etc)
> > on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> > Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could hardly keep
> > myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping - till I
drop" !
> > Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting Gomati
shell in
> > gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how those
things
> > are made. Thank you again!
> >
>

03-11-2006, 05:02 AM

With my background in Finance and Costing, there must be a huge margin between
the miner's cost and the retail price in a fancy store. My estimate is that it
is close 100 times. Gemstones have arbitary pricing and move mostly on who is
willing to pay and how much. It could be a good idea to look at wholesale
prices. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 3/9/06, Mary <
siga2lind (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Dear Richard,
thank you, as always, for your kind explanation. I'm such a "virgin"
in the world of gems that your advice is really worth its weight in
gold (or rubies, loupe clean

))!
Kindest regards
Mary
--- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"
wrote:
>
> Dear Mary,
>
> Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for. Take a
one carat ruby for
> example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a 10x
loupe then it is a
> desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat enhanced.
And then there's the
> question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one carat
ruby will cost over $1,000
> per carat up to $7,000 per carat.
>
> So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".
>
> Best rgds,
> Richard
>
> --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Richard and fellow Members,
> >
> > I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires, rubies,
etc)
> > on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> > Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could hardly keep
> > myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping - till I
drop" !
> > Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting Gomati
shell in
> > gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how those
things
> > are made. Thank you again!
> >
>
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03-11-2006, 05:24 AM

Sriman Bharatji,

Namaste!!! You mentioned about rich jewelers, and the fact is usually that their
stock and
over head is tied up in funding which means they have huge debts. In reality the
banks
own everything. Even a Benz car usually belongs to the finance company until
paid off.

Just like the normal world the jewelry world dealers are mostly middle class.
Few jewelers
are rich men. The miners are like lower class and work hardest and get the
least. The
wholesale dealers have low overhead, low markup, and depend on sales volume. The
retail
dealers have higher gross profit, but lower net profit because of overheads.

The standard taught in GIA is called "Keystone" and that means double. That is
usually
minimum required to maintain a business. Like with most business, it takes money
to
make money, so after all the banks own most of it.

For a person to ask for wholesale price when only buying ONE item is not
correct.
Wholesale price is based on large volume turnover, like 1000 pieces, but not ONE
piece.
That is retail. And retail has higher overheads to maintain business.

Best rgds,
Richard

--- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

wrote:
>
> Namaskaar Sri Richard and Sri Mary
>
> I am just wondering how do people dealing in Gemstones get to be soooo rich?
> I know of one Gemstone dealer in Chandni Chowk owning two Mercedes. He does
> not have a big client list.
>
> With my background in Finance and Costing, there must be a huge margin
> between the miner's cost and the retail price in a fancy store. My estimate
> is that it is close 100 times. Gemstones have arbitary pricing and move
> mostly on who is willing to pay and how much.
>
> It could be a good idea to look at wholesale prices.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Bharat
>
>
>
>
> On 3/9/06, Mary < siga2lind@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Richard,
> >
> > thank you, as always, for your kind explanation. I'm such a "virgin"
> > in the world of gems that your advice is really worth its weight in
> > gold (or rubies, loupe clean

))!
> >
> > Kindest regards
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mary,
> > >
> > > Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for. Take a
> > one carat ruby for
> > > example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a 10x
> > loupe then it is a
> > > desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat enhanced.
> > And then there's the
> > > question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one carat
> > ruby will cost over $1,000
> > > per carat up to $7,000 per carat.
> > >
> > > So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".
> > >
> > > Best rgds,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Richard and fellow Members,
> > > >
> > > > I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires, rubies,
> > etc)
> > > > on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> > > > Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could hardly keep
> > > > myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping - till I
> > drop" !
> > > > Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
> > > >
> > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > > PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting Gomati
> > shell in
> > > > gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how those
> > things
> > > > are made. Thank you again!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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03-11-2006, 06:48 AM

Most of the Jewellery business in India is part of the parallel economy and
banks, financial institutions are not involved. I have seen sell a Rs 200
gemstone like Topaz being sold for Rs 5000 as Aquamarine. Even if they were to
give you a genuine gemstone, they could overcharge by upto 10 times. Retail
businesses in India, except for those having fancy showrooms, do not have high
overheads. The wholesalers are now realizign a potential in retail and they are
using different methods including websites on the internet to sell their stuff.
Usually they would charge less than retail and provide you with a certificate
of authencity from a recognized government lab. This is something that can save
a lot of money and get you a genuine gemstone. This is what I am wanting to
convey to Sri Mary too.
I see the Gemstone businesses flourishing and rate of progress is faster than
the volumes that they are attracting. As I said, my background in costing does
not let me close my eyes on a lot of things. Thanks and Regards
BharatOn 3/11/06, Richard Shaw-Brown II wrote:
Sriman Bharatji,
Namaste!!! You mentioned about rich jewelers, and the fact is usually that their stock and
over head is tied up in funding which means they have huge debts. In reality the banks
own everything. Even a Benz car usually belongs to the finance company until paid off.
Just like the normal world the jewelry world dealers are mostly middle class. Few jewelers
are rich men. The miners are like lower class and work hardest and get the least. The
wholesale dealers have low overhead, low markup, and depend on sales volume. The retail
dealers have higher gross profit, but lower net profit because of overheads.
The standard taught in GIA is called "Keystone" and that means double. That is usually
minimum required to maintain a business. Like with most business, it takes money to
make money, so after all the banks own most of it.
For a person to ask for wholesale price when only buying ONE item is not correct.
Wholesale price is based on large volume turnover, like 1000 pieces, but not ONE piece.
That is retail. And retail has higher overheads to maintain business.
Best rgds,
Richard
--- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

wrote:
>
> Namaskaar Sri Richard and Sri Mary
>
> I am just wondering how do people dealing in Gemstones get to be soooo rich?
> I know of one Gemstone dealer in Chandni Chowk owning two Mercedes. He does
> not have a big client list.
>
> With my background in Finance and Costing, there must be a huge margin
> between the miner's cost and the retail price in a fancy store. My estimate
> is that it is close 100 times. Gemstones have arbitary pricing and move
> mostly on who is willing to pay and how much.
>
> It could be a good idea to look at wholesale prices.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Bharat
>
>
>
>
> On 3/9/06, Mary < siga2lind@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Richard,
> >
> > thank you, as always, for your kind explanation. I'm such a "virgin"
> > in the world of gems that your advice is really worth its weight in
> > gold (or rubies, loupe clean

))!
> >
> > Kindest regards
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mary,
> > >
> > > Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for. Take a
> > one carat ruby for
> > > example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a 10x
> > loupe then it is a
> > > desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat enhanced.
> > And then there's the
> > > question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one carat
> > ruby will cost over $1,000
> > > per carat up to $7,000 per carat.
> > >
> > > So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".
> > >
> > > Best rgds,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Richard and fellow Members,
> > > >
> > > > I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires, rubies,
> > etc)
> > > > on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> > > > Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could hardly keep
> > > > myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping - till I
> > drop" !
> > > > Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
> > > >
> > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > > PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting Gomati
> > shell in
> > > > gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how those
> > things
> > > > are made. Thank you again!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > 9;s eye<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=9;s+eye&w1=9;
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03-11-2006, 07:56 AM

Dear Sriman Bharat ji,

Namaste!!! Yes, I know the reality of business in India. It is a
madhouse. Most are asking over price, and arguing. And many are honking
and making noise. If they want to get Rs. 50. then they ask Rs. 5,000
it is the world's most insane gem market. Many Indian dealers come to
sell in Bangkok, and the ones who prospor here are civilized, because
outside India the only businesses that can remain in business, are the
ones who are reasonable and fair.

Although I love Bharat, in Kali Yuga It is too "BUSY" to say the least. And
people want to argue, from Bhangi to Sannyasi, many people want to
argue, and speak loudly. For those who live outside modern India it is
really an ordeal to visit there.

Please don't misunderstand, dear brother, I once lived 7 years in India
and I knew the street barber and I knew India's President (VV Giri),
and everyone in between, personally. And I was involved in establishing
two still running schools in Vraja mandala. So India is my mother!!!

But modern India is really "BUSY" - too much for most gem dealers. So
India is known for "cheap" junk stones, like in Jaipur, or cheap
diamond cutting in Mumbai. They sell junk rubies from Hyderabad, not
even clear stones, for $10 per carat. That is the price for junk. I
think that by carefully shopping around that buyers can find out enough
to choose a good quality gem at a fair price.

For example, once I was in Kambhat, and a dealer had a yellow sapphire
wrapped in a cloth. He was asking 3 lakhs for the gem!??? After a few
hours of listening to his lies, I finally bought the whole gem for $30.
He he ha!!!

Most important is that the Indian gem market is traditional. And it
belongs to the rich already. There are plenty of great gem dealers who
are fair and helpful, as I learned my self from Raj Roop Tank in Jaipur
(1974) who was expert and selfless teacher of gem wisdom.

But there are plenty of cheaters, in EVERY COUNTRY, so one must shop around and
never be pressued into buying anything. They should search the market and get
what is best. I think that Jyotishis who recommend gems should also
give directon where to obtain the gem at fair price in right quality.
If they take % of sales is normal business practice, although not all
astrologers will accept commissions.

Hai Hind!!!

Best rgds,
Richard

--- Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Richard
>
> The reality is very different in India. Chandi Chowk Businesses are
> not run
> on Bank Money. They are being run by generations in the same shop.
> However,
> earlier there was a strict code of conduct and margins. These are
> fast
> disappearing. Nowadays, any price that comes on the Jeweller's mind
> is
> passed as a "genuine" price of the Gem. Some of the high priced
> Gemstones
> are sold on a type of consignment basis.
>
> Most of the Jewellery business in India is part of the parallel
> economy and
> banks, financial institutions are not involved. I have seen sell a Rs
> 200
> gemstone like Topaz being sold for Rs 5000 as Aquamarine. Even if
> they were
> to give you a genuine gemstone, they could overcharge by upto 10
> times.
>
> Retail businesses in India, except for those having fancy showrooms,
> do not
> have high overheads.
>
> The wholesalers are now realizign a potential in retail and they are
> using
> different methods including websites on the internet to sell their
> stuff.
> Usually they would charge less than retail and provide you with a
> certificate of authencity from a recognized government lab. This is
> something that can save a lot of money and get you a genuine
> gemstone. This
> is what I am wanting to convey to Sri Mary too.
>
> I see the Gemstone businesses flourishing and rate of progress is
> faster
> than the volumes that they are attracting. As I said, my background
> in
> costing does not let me close my eyes on a lot of things.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Bharat
>
> On 3/11/06, Richard Shaw-Brown II wrote:
> >
> > Sriman Bharatji,
> >
> > Namaste!!! You mentioned about rich jewelers, and the fact is
> usually that
> > their stock and
> > over head is tied up in funding which means they have huge debts.
> In
> > reality the banks
> > own everything. Even a Benz car usually belongs to the finance
> company
> > until paid off.
> >
> > Just like the normal world the jewelry world dealers are mostly
> middle
> > class. Few jewelers
> > are rich men. The miners are like lower class and work hardest and
> get the
> > least. The
> > wholesale dealers have low overhead, low markup, and depend on
> sales
> > volume. The retail
> > dealers have higher gross profit, but lower net profit because of
> > overheads.
> >
> > The standard taught in GIA is called "Keystone" and that means
> double.
> > That is usually
> > minimum required to maintain a business. Like with most business,
> it takes
> > money to
> > make money, so after all the banks own most of it.
> >
> > For a person to ask for wholesale price when only buying ONE item
> is not
> > correct.
> > Wholesale price is based on large volume turnover, like 1000
> pieces, but
> > not ONE piece.
> > That is retail. And retail has higher overheads to maintain
> business.
> >
> > Best rgds,
> > Richard
> >
> > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard and Sri Mary
> > >
> > > I am just wondering how do people dealing in Gemstones get to be
> soooo
> > rich?
> > > I know of one Gemstone dealer in Chandni Chowk owning two
> Mercedes. He
> > does
> > > not have a big client list.
> > >
> > > With my background in Finance and Costing, there must be a huge
> margin
> > > between the miner's cost and the retail price in a fancy store.
> My
> > estimate
> > > is that it is close 100 times. Gemstones have arbitary pricing
> and move
> > > mostly on who is willing to pay and how much.
> > >
> > > It could be a good idea to look at wholesale prices.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > Bharat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/9/06, Mary < siga2lind@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Richard,
> > > >
> > > > thank you, as always, for your kind explanation. I'm such a
> "virgin"
> > > > in the world of gems that your advice is really worth its
> weight in
> > > > gold (or rubies, loupe clean

))!
> > > >
> > > > Kindest regards
> > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Mary,
> > > > >
> > > > > Apart from blind dumb luck, we normally get what we pay for.
> Take a
> > > > one carat ruby for
> > > > > example. If it is 100%-85% free of flaws when viewed with a
> 10x
> > > > loupe then it is a
> > > > > desirable gem, clarity wise. Still, it probably is heat
> enhanced.
> > > > And then there's the
> > > > > question of color, pink, red, or dark. A top quality one
> carat
> > > > ruby will cost over $1,000
> > > > > per carat up to $7,000 per carat.
> > > > >
> > > > > So all these cheap prices you see on eBay are for "junk".
> > > > >
> > > > > Best rgds,
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sacred-objects (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Mary"
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Richard and fellow Members,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just happened to look at gemstones (such as sapphires,
> rubies,
> > > > etc)
> > > > > > on ebay (my very first time) and I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!
> > > > > > Such low prices, so many stones to pick from! I could
> hardly keep
> > > > > > myself from plunging right in and "shop-shop-shopping -
> till I
> > > > drop" !
> > > > > > Is it really possible that the stones are for real?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mary
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS. Thank you, Richard, for your explanation on setting
> Gomati
> > > > shell in
> > > > > > gold! It's much appreciated - I have always wondered how
> those
> > > > things
> > > > > > are made. Thank you again!
> > > > > >
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