OM NAMAH SIVAYA

i agree with you except for the last sentence. one of my favorite
yogic sayings is "as you think so you become." by changing the way
we look at things the things we look at change. start trying to see
things for what they all have in common(Divine Energy) and you will
eventually cease to see the differences. then you will "really know"
it and you will also experience it. because you are what you think.

JAI MA

--- In Devi_Mandir (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "ramavihs11" <ramavihs11@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear Shiva,
>
> Tuff question but I'll give it a shot. If you have ever seen sub-
> atomic particles through a microscope you know you can see the
> electrons moving back and forth in a rapid movement. There is
some
> kind of energy that causes this movement and that energy is in
> everything, from a rock to a human. That energy is the energy of
> God, Divine Energy, Conciousness, whatever you want to call it.
No
> matter the qualities of an object that energy is inherent within
the
> object. To only identify with that energy and not the object
itself
> is to "be beyond all qualities." So I suppose your Guru Gita
quote
> Verse 59, is talking about striving to see only the energy(God)
that
> all things have in common and to not see things in terms of their
> relation to each other. Just a guess on my part.
>
> Or you can do Neem Karoli Baba said, "It's better to see God in
> everything than to try to figure it out."
>
> As far "really" knowing the meaning without actually experiencing
> the state, let me experience it and I'll tell you. Hope this
helps.
>
> Ram
>
>
>
> --- In Devi_Mandir (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > There are some aspects of spirituality (notably Vedanta and its
> > close cousins non-duality and Advaita ) that frankly stump me.
> >
> > Something like - do seva to the Guru, earn his compassion and
> > grace ... now THAT I can understand.
> >
> > Fall in love with the Goddess - do the sadhana out of that love
> and
> > inspiration ... now THAT I can connect with and sigh over ...
> >
> > But ... any talk of non-duality, "beyond all qualities" , etc
> just > terrify me and leave me vaguely uneasy and a wish to be
> elsewhere.
> >
> > So this is where I am enlisting the support of you ... my
extended
> > satsang family ... to help out a gal that is trying to demystify
> > some aspects of spirituality.
> >
> > For a start ... Verse 59 of the Guru Gita says "He strives after
> > that which is beyond all qualities"
> >
> > What does that mean ? What does it mean to be beyond all
> qualities ?
> > Can one know the meaning without actually experiencing the state
> of
> > being beyond all qualities ? Can someone give an example from a
> book
> > or the life of a saint or even their own lives where this phrase
> > applies ?
> >
> > I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Jai Guru
> > Nanda