Re: Demystifying Spiritual phrases - 1 - Beyond all qualities

it means, we are reaching beyond anything known. we are willing to
leave it all. so instead of even adoring a quality, we wish to go to
that which is beyond quality. since god is all qualities he/she cannot
be limited by any singular quality, even though we consider that
divine qualities also lead to god, and indeed, that god can be
experienced. it should stump us, the very idea is to
foil the mind. the most important thing to retain is, the ability to
master this level of knowledge yet also retain, not leave behind,
positive human qualities as described in scriptures.

so, the human level is cared for at one place, which includes moral
qualities. then there is the facing of that which is unknown, or at
least the attempt to. they are 2 separate activities, although the
improvement of a stable mind and benign personality supports the
ability to increase one's attempts to focus into the eternal.

--- In Devi_Mandir (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> There are some aspects of spirituality (notably Vedanta and its
> close cousins non-duality and Advaita ) that frankly stump me.
>
> Something like - do seva to the Guru, earn his compassion and
> grace ... now THAT I can understand.
>
> Fall in love with the Goddess - do the sadhana out of that love and
> inspiration ... now THAT I can connect with and sigh over ...
>
> But ... any talk of non-duality, "beyond all qualities" , etc just
> terrify me and leave me vaguely uneasy and a wish to be elsewhere.
>
> So this is where I am enlisting the support of you ... my extended
> satsang family ... to help out a gal that is trying to demystify
> some aspects of spirituality.
>
> For a start ... Verse 59 of the Guru Gita says "He strives after
> that which is beyond all qualities"
>
> What does that mean ? What does it mean to be beyond all qualities
?
> Can one know the meaning without actually experiencing the state of
> being beyond all qualities ? Can someone give an example from a
book
> or the life of a saint or even their own lives where this phrase
> applies ?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Jai Guru
> Nanda

Namaste Bhen Devi.

The universe is founded on qualities.

Some examples:

The qualities of Two: (aka: opposites)
1. Good and evil
2. Hot and cold
3. Pleasure and pain
4. Right and wrong
5. Day and night

The qualities of Three:
1. Rajas (active), Tamas (inactive), Satva (believed peace)
2. Mother, Father, Child
3. Sun, Moon, Earth
4. Past, Present, Future

The qualities of Four:
1. The four percieved directions in space (X, Y, Z, and Time)

The qualities of Five:
1. Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Ether

The qualities of Twelve:
1. The signs of the zodiac

This is a very short list. The real list is almost as infinite as the
universe, for everything in the universe is unique, thus there are
practically infinite qualities to describe everything, to insure that it
is unique.

These qualities are part of the framework of Maya, created by Mother so
she can play with herself while forgetting that it is she who is playing
and she who is being played with. We forget because we want to!!! Its
sooo much fun to forget!!! And so much fun to remember!!!!!!

It gives a whole new meaning to the child's phrase, "Can Nanda come out
and play?"

Mother herself is without quality, she made the qualities to create the
universe within herself, but she herself cannot be described by them.

Here's an analogy:

Imagine that I was all powerful within myself (actually I am, but thank
heavens I don't realize that yet, I'd miss out on so much fun) and I
decided to give one of the cells within my body the ability to think and
feel on its own. I make it self aware.

This cell has qualities that make it a red blood cell, delivering oxigen
to my body. So it has qualities and can identify itself with those
qualities. It can swim and carry oxigen when red and remove carbon
dioxide while its blue, and it lives for three months and then dies and
gets flushed after god pees. Oh my, have I gone too far with that
analogy or what?

But ask yourself, "Can that two month old red blood cell (whose blue
half the time) realize who I am?"

As a perceived piece of the whole, of course not.

We are that cell. A cell of mothers that she granted intelligence and
consciousness to. We are an aware element of the machinery of her
creation. We are aware of ourselves and that awareness itself is what
limits us, binds us, and ultimately frees us. That's why Durga is the
confusion, the remover of confusion and the confused, oh my another
quality of three...

One of the games that mother likes to play. In fact the game that she
loves the most (in my opinion) is the game, "Do you know who I am?" or
restated, "Do you know who you are?" or to complete the trinity, "Do you
know what this is surrounding you?"

In order for the cell to realize the whole body, it must become the
whole body, it must therefore rise above its qualities and stop
identifying with them. It must accept that it is not a two month old red
blood cell (that's feeling a little blue in this moment), but is in
reality the whole body and not just the body, but the energy and
consciousness driving the body.

This is what the masters mean when they say we must become without quality.

It seems a bit overwhelming to think that we must give up our
identities, but what we give up is nothing compared to what we realize.

You ask wonderful questions.

JAI NANDAJI!

JAI MAA!

Nanda wrote:

>
>
> Dear All,
>
> There are some aspects of spirituality (notably Vedanta and its
> close cousins non-duality and Advaita ) that frankly stump me.
>
> Something like - do seva to the Guru, earn his compassion and
> grace ... now THAT I can understand.
>
> Fall in love with the Goddess - do the sadhana out of that love and
> inspiration ... now THAT I can connect with and sigh over ...
>
> But ... any talk of non-duality, "beyond all qualities" , etc just
> terrify me and leave me vaguely uneasy and a wish to be elsewhere.
>
> So this is where I am enlisting the support of you ... my extended
> satsang family ... to help out a gal that is trying to demystify
> some aspects of spirituality.
>
> For a start ... Verse 59 of the Guru Gita says "He strives after
> that which is beyond all qualities"
>
> What does that mean ? What does it mean to be beyond all qualities ?
> Can one know the meaning without actually experiencing the state of
> being beyond all qualities ? Can someone give an example from a book
> or the life of a saint or even their own lives where this phrase
> applies ?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Jai Guru
> Nanda
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Dear Shiva,

Tuff question but I'll give it a shot. If you have ever seen sub-
atomic particles through a microscope you know you can see the
electrons moving back and forth in a rapid movement. There is some
kind of energy that causes this movement and that energy is in
everything, from a rock to a human. That energy is the energy of
God, Divine Energy, Conciousness, whatever you want to call it. No
matter the qualities of an object that energy is inherent within the
object. To only identify with that energy and not the object itself
is to "be beyond all qualities." So I suppose your Guru Gita quote
Verse 59, is talking about striving to see only the energy(God) that
all things have in common and to not see things in terms of their
relation to each other. Just a guess on my part.

Or you can do Neem Karoli Baba said, "It's better to see God in
everything than to try to figure it out."

As far "really" knowing the meaning without actually experiencing
the state, let me experience it and I'll tell you. Hope this helps.

Ram

--- In Devi_Mandir (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> There are some aspects of spirituality (notably Vedanta and its
> close cousins non-duality and Advaita ) that frankly stump me.
>
> Something like - do seva to the Guru, earn his compassion and
> grace ... now THAT I can understand.
>
> Fall in love with the Goddess - do the sadhana out of that love
and
> inspiration ... now THAT I can connect with and sigh over ...
>
> But ... any talk of non-duality, "beyond all qualities" , etc
just > terrify me and leave me vaguely uneasy and a wish to be
elsewhere.
>
> So this is where I am enlisting the support of you ... my extended
> satsang family ... to help out a gal that is trying to demystify
> some aspects of spirituality.
>
> For a start ... Verse 59 of the Guru Gita says "He strives after
> that which is beyond all qualities"
>
> What does that mean ? What does it mean to be beyond all
qualities ?
> Can one know the meaning without actually experiencing the state
of
> being beyond all qualities ? Can someone give an example from a
book
> or the life of a saint or even their own lives where this phrase
> applies ?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Jai Guru
> Nanda

In a message dated 2/1/05 10:30:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, chandimaakijai (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

Namaste Dear Nanda,
For a start ... Verse 59 of the Guru Gita says "He strives after that
which is beyond all qualities" What does that mean ? What does it
mean to be beyond all qualities ?
Non judgemental. As a parent to a child.

Om Namah Sivaya

Kanda