Death Penalty

12-14-2005, 09:56 AM

Namah Shivayah,

Hard to believe an Amma devotee believes in the death penalty?
We are ALL under the death penalty here, in case we haven't
noticed. Mr. William's victims recieved theirs suddenly 25 years
ago. Mr. Williams received his recently. Mine and yours are
in the future. In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and
here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya.

Any way you look
at it modern day criminals get more "life penalty" than the
people whose lives they take. In Mr. William's case, it was
25 more years. Were there 2 or 4 victims? That makes
either 50 or 100 years. I doubt that Amma would have blown them
away either. But Amma says that she doesn't grieve for people
who die, as they go to the Paramatman. So, is life or death better?
Who knows? We all die, so presumably it's not too bad.

Sorry to be so blunt,
Jyotsna

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12-14-2005, 10:04 AM

on 12/14/05 4:56 PM, E. Lamb at jyotsna2@... wrote:

> We all die, so presumably it's not too bad.
>
Many of those who have near death experiences say they didn't want to come
back and they're looking forward to the real thing.
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12-14-2005, 10:15 AM

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "E. Lamb" wrote:
>
> Namah Shivayah,
>
> In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and
> here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya.
>
> Sorry to be so blunt,
> Jyotsna

Hi Jyotsna,

What does this mean? I am taking it literally, so step in and tell me
if I got it wrong.

and if the literal statement is true, do you mind sharing details?
Offline sharing is also fine.

Jai Ma!

12-14-2005, 11:19 AM

Namah Shivayah,

I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind of
penalty is it
to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison would
be more
of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as punishment....they
are not
around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show em.
What is it
based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future incarnations
with
possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes no
sense.

I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that
causes the death
penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the
body"...then what penalty
would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they can
stand as
indicators for the collective consciousness of our world.

It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical body.
Jesus was very
aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to merge
with God.
Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most
important part of
the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it reminded
me of the
parallel between this and things like the death penalty.

Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies, there
will always be
things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means when she
says
that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all
suffering. Without
the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty
serve...or
murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless.

Jai Ma!

Ananthasree

http://www.ammaschildren.com

12-14-2005, 11:34 AM

Well the government is secular, and therefore the end of life is and has
been considered the ultimate punishment (Even in ancient cultures, execution
has always been the final method). Though I think today they could come to
the conclusion that lifetime imprisonment is even worse.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ananthasree"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: [Ammachi] Re: "Death Penalty"

> Namah Shivayah,
>
> I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What
> kind of penalty is it
> to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison
> would be more
> of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as
> punishment....they are not
> around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show
> em. What is it
> based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future
> incarnations with
> possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes
> no sense.
>
> I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that
> causes the death
> penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the
> body"...then what penalty
> would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they
> can stand as
> indicators for the collective consciousness of our world.
>
> It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical
> body. Jesus was very
> aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to
> merge with God.
> Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most
> important part of
> the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it
> reminded me of the
> parallel between this and things like the death penalty.
>
> Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies,
> there will always be
> things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means
> when she says
> that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all
> suffering. Without
> the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty
> serve...or
> murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless.
>
> Jai Ma!
>
> Ananthasree
>
> http://www.ammaschildren.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

12-14-2005, 12:31 PM

i don't get it either. you kill someone to show that killing is wrong
go figure...

Ananthasree wrote:
> Namah Shivayah,
>
> I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind of
penalty is it
> to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison
would be more
> of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as
punishment....they are not
> around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show em.
What is it
> based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future incarnations
with
> possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes no
sense.

--
"Naan Amme Snehikkunnu"
Be Love,
Egyirba
http://www.egyirba.net

12-14-2005, 07:38 PM

IT ALL DEPENDS ON A PERSONS DISPOSTION.SOME OF MOTHERS CHILDREN AND ALSO
CHRISTIANS WHO ARE ALSO AMMAS CHILDREN NEED TO FOCUS ON A FORM(BODY).IT
HELPS TO PUT YOUR ATTENTION THERE ,DISTRACTING YOU FROM ALL OF THE
DISTRACTIONS OF THE WORLD.WE ARE ALL ON DIFFERENT LEVELS .NON BETTER ,NON
WORSE.WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO STAY STUCK ON THE PHYSICAL BODY ,HOWEVER IT IS
STILL GROWTH AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.THE MORE WE PARTICIPATE IN
THE SPIRTUAL PRACTICES ,THE GREATER OUR AWARENESS BECOMES AS FAR AS AMMA AS
THE FORMLESS PURE-CONSCIOUSNESS IS CONCERNED.

AMMA HAS SAID THAT ATTACHMENT TO THE GURUS FORM IS ATTACHMENT TO GOD AND
ATTACHMENT TO GOD IS DETACHMENT FROM THE WORLD.

SHE HAS ALSO SAID THAT THINKING THAT SHE IS ONLY THE BODY CAN CAUSE ONE TO
SUFFER.SHE SPEAKS ABOUT THIS ON TWO DIFFEREBNT OCCASIONS TO TWO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE.

AS FAR AS KILLING GOES. AMMA HAS SAID THAT WE DONT CREATE LIFE SO WE HAVE
NO RIGHT TO TAKE LIFE.

AND AS FAR AS JESUS GOES.THESE PEOPLE DONT HAVE AND ENLIGHTENED BEING IN
FRONT OF THEM.THEY HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ON THE PULPIT THAT ARE LIVING
IN IGNORANCE THEMSELVES,BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE MAKING SOME EFFORT TO PURSUE
TRUTH.AS YOU SAID THEY ARE ON THE JOURNEY AS WE ALL ARE AND THAT IS WHAT
REALLY COUNTS.

AMMA HAS SAID THAT IT IS NOT THE RESOLVE OF THE DIVINE FOR EVERYONE TO BE
ENLIGHTENED.IF IT WAS ,EVERYONE WOULD BE.JUST THINK OF HOW DRY OUR EXISTENCE
WOULD BE IF WE DIDNT HAVE THE ASPIRATION TO SAVE THIS WORLD.THE WORLD IS
SAVED WHEN YOU ARE SAVED.THE WORLD BECOMES ENLIGHTENED WHEN WE BECOME
ENLIGHTNED.THIS WORLD WILL BE SAVED THROUGH OUR HEARTS.WHEN WE CAN SEE
EVERYONE AS DIVINE REGARDLESS OF THE FLUCTUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THEN THIS
WORLD WILL BE SAVED.

AMMA HAS ALSO SAID THAT SHE BOWS TO OUR ESSENCE NOT OUR EGOS.ISNT IT A
DIVINE THOUGHT THAT EVEN IN THE MOST CRUEL PERSON AMMA CAN STILL SEE PASSED
THAT TO THE DIVINE.THAT IS A GREAT GOAL TO STRIVE FOR.

ALL THE MAHATMAS SAY THE SAME THING."SEE GOD IN EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.THAT
AWARENESS DOESNT TAKE PLACE IN THE WORLD BUT IN OUR VERY OWN
HEARTS.AMMMAAMMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAAAAAAAAA AALOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE MAAAAAAAAAA..............

>From: "Ananthasree"
>Reply-To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: [Ammachi] Re: "Death Penalty"
>Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:19:02 -0000
>
>Namah Shivayah,
>
>I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind
>of penalty is it
>to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison
>would be more
>of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as
>punishment....they are not
>around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show
>em. What is it
>based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future
>incarnations with
>possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes
>no sense.
>
>I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that
>causes the death
>penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the
>body"...then what penalty
>would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they can
>stand as
>indicators for the collective consciousness of our world.
>
>It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical
>body. Jesus was very
>aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to
>merge with God.
>Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most
>important part of
>the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it
>reminded me of the
>parallel between this and things like the death penalty.
>
>Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies,
>there will always be
>things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means
>when she says
>that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all
>suffering. Without
>the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty
>serve...or
>murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless.
>
>Jai Ma!
>
>Ananthasree
>
>http://www.ammaschildren.com
>
>
>

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12-15-2005, 07:33 AM

IN INDIGINOUS CULTURES ALL OVER THE WORLD ,IT IS TRUE THAT DEATH IS NOTHING
BUT A GATE INTO A GREATER EXISISTENCE.YOU ARE ALSO TRUE WHEN YOU SAY THAT
THE DIVINE DOESNT GRIEVE,AMMAs son believes this as well.AMMAS sons only
suggestion is that you pick up the video tape and check out ,the way AMMA
poured HE ENTIRE BEING INTO EXPERIENCING THE PAIN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LOST
LOVED ONES AND WERE SUFFERING THROUGH THE TSUNAMI.

AMMA SAYS THAT A GREAT SOUL CAN POUR THERE ENTIRE BEING INTO A SITUATION AND
THEN DETACH AT WILL.
ITS EASY TO SAY THAT ITS ALL MAYA,BUT TO TO OTHERS IT IS REAL AND THAT IS
WHERE COMPASSION COMES IN.

AMMA SAYS "SHE RENOUNCED EVERYTHING BUT THE LOVE OF HER CHILDREN."IT IS HER
LOVE FOR US THAT KEEPS HER DOWN ON THIS PLANE.

JESUS SAYS"GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON(AN
INCARNATION". WE SAY THAT IT IS ALL MAYA,BUT IS IT INTELLECT, OR TRUE
EXPERIENCE?AMMA DOESNT GRIEVE ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH
ANYTHING?THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE HAVE MISSED THE POINT.THE POINT IS AND IS
ALWAYS THE MAIN POINT ,HOW CAN WE LOVE AND SERVE.

AMMA SAYS THAT MAYA(ILLUSION)DOESNT MEAN THAT WHEN WE BECOME ENLIGHTENED
THAT THE WORLD IS GOING TO DISAPEAR.AMMA SAYS THAT HOW WE PERCIEVE IT WILL
CHANGE.

IT IS EASY TO MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE "LIFE OR DEATH,WHO NOWS WHICH ONE IS
BETTER".BUT WILL YOU BE THAT DETACHED WHEN IT IS SOMEONE CLOSE TO
YOU.DETACHMENT IS A STATE OF BEING,IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS EXPRESSED
THROUGH OUR INTELLECTS.WE SHOULD CONSTANTLY TRY TO PUT OURSELVES IN THE
SHOES OF OTHERS.THAT IS WHAT AMMAs son believes and to this child ,that is
greater then all of the philosophical stuff.OM NAMAH SHIVAYA.

>From: "E. Lamb"
>Reply-To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: [Ammachi] "Death Penalty"
>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:56:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>Namah Shivayah,
>
> Hard to believe an Amma devotee believes in the death penalty?
> We are ALL under the death penalty here, in case we haven't
> noticed. Mr. William's victims recieved theirs suddenly 25 years
> ago. Mr. Williams received his recently. Mine and yours are
> in the future. In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and
> here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya.
>
> Any way you look
> at it modern day criminals get more "life penalty" than the
> people whose lives they take. In Mr. William's case, it was
> 25 more years. Were there 2 or 4 victims? That makes
> either 50 or 100 years. I doubt that Amma would have blown them
> away either. But Amma says that she doesn't grieve for people
> who die, as they go to the Paramatman. So, is life or death better?
> Who knows? We all die, so presumably it's not too bad.
>
> Sorry to be so blunt,
> Jyotsna
>
>
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