Namaste,

I think if one is going to follow any kind of Indian or Vedic
teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it all.

The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita, attributed to
Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. " Meat can never be
obtained without injury to living creatures. Let one therefore shun
the use of meat., Having well considered the disgusting origin of
flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let
one entirely abstain from eating flesh."

So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this subject and the
spiritual tradition continues on from there, with contradiction or
rationalisation....ONS..Tony

--- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Tony OClery" <aoclery@y...>
wrote:
> Namaste,
>
> I think if one is going to follow any kind of Indian or Vedic
> teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it all.
>
> The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita, attributed to
> Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. " Meat can never
be
> obtained without injury to living creatures. Let one therefore
shun
> the use of meat., Having well considered the disgusting origin of
> flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings,
let
> one entirely abstain from eating flesh."
>
> So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this subject and the
> spiritual tradition continues on from there, with contradiction or
> rationalisation....ONS..Tony

That should be without contradiction or rationalisation of course.
In the Gita 5:18 Krishna talks of equality, so how can one treat
another being without equality.....ONS..Tony

Like this:

11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, together
with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona, and
Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well,
enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible mouths,
frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between Thy
teeth, their heads crushed to powder.

11:28. As the many torrents of the rivers rush toward
the ocean, so do the heroes of the mortal world rush
into Thy fiercely flaming mouths.

11:29. As moths rush swiftly into a blazing fire to
perish there, even so do these creatures swiftly rush
into Thy mouths to their own destruction.

11:30. Thou lickest Thy lips, devouring all the
worlds on every side with Thy flaming mouths. Thy
fiery rays fill the whole universe with their radiance
and scorch it, O Vishnu!

11:31. Tell me who Thou art that wearest this
frightful form. Salutations to Thee, O God Supreme!
Have mercy. I desire to know Thee, who art the Primal
One; for I do not understand Thy purpose.

11:32. The Lord said: I am mighty, world-destroying
Time, now engaged here in slaying these men. Even
without you, all these warriors standing arrayed in
the opposing armies shall not live.

11:33. Therefore stand up and win glory; conquer your
enemies and enjoy an opulent kingdom. By Me and none
other have they already been slain; be an instrument
only, O Arjuna.

11:34. Kill Drona and Bhishma and Jayadratha and
Karna, and the other great warriors as well, who have
already been killed by Me. Be not distressed by fear.
Fight, and you shall conquer your foes in the battle.

Signed,

KRSNA

--- Tony OClery <aoclery@...> wrote:
> --- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Tony OClery"
> <aoclery@y...>
> wrote:
> > Namaste,
> >
> > I think if one is going to follow any kind of
> Indian or Vedic
> > teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it
> all.
> >
> > The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita,
> attributed to
> > Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. "
> Meat can never
> be
> > obtained without injury to living creatures. Let
> one therefore
> shun
> > the use of meat., Having well considered the
> disgusting origin of
> > flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying
> corporeal beings,
> let
> > one entirely abstain from eating flesh."
> >
> > So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this
> subject and the
> > spiritual tradition continues on from there, with
> contradiction or
> > rationalisation....ONS..Tony
>
> That should be without contradiction or
> rationalisation of course.
> In the Gita 5:18 Krishna talks of equality, so how
> can one treat
> another being without equality.....ONS..Tony
>
>

--- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Michael Bowes
<rmichaelbowes@y...> wrote:
> Like this:
>
> 11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, together
> with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona, and
> Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well,
> enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible mouths,
> frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between Thy
> teeth, their heads crushed to powder.

Namaste M,

Quoting me the Mahabharata etc as an argument about Himsa indicates
that you haven't fully understood the whole epic.
Kurukshetra or field of battle is the body itself, it is all
symbolic. Yes there was a battle many years ago and the lesson was
that there was no time and that everything is karma or
Krishna/Sakti. That the actions had to be performed but not be
attached to them. So surrender to the Lord. There are different
types of revelation in India, Vedas, Puranas, Samhitas etc etc.
Just try and stick with what one Mukta said---Ramana don't eat
meat..........ONS..Tony.

--- Tony OClery <aoclery@...> wrote:
> --- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Michael Bowes
>
> <rmichaelbowes@y...> wrote:
> > Like this:
> >
> > 11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra,
> together
> > with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona,
> and
> > Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well,
> > enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible
> mouths,
> > frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between
> Thy
> > teeth, their heads crushed to powder.
>
> Namaste M,
>
> Quoting me the Mahabharata etc as an argument about
> Himsa indicates
> that you haven't fully understood the whole epic.
> Kurukshetra or field of battle is the body itself,
> it is all
> symbolic.


Is the violence that is manifest in nature symbolic
too Tony? You see, one of the reasons that people do
not feel free is because they are willing to accept
certain manifestations of the LIFE; but they are
unwilling to accept other manifestations that they do
not understand.

11:31. Tell me who Thou art that wearest this
frightful form. Salutations to Thee, O God Supreme!
Have mercy. I desire to know Thee, who art the Primal
One; for I do not understand Thy purpose.

What persons do not understand they do not want to
accept. Some reject out right what their mind cannot
process and they want to go on a crusade.

Last week Tony you were "railing" against "do-gooders"
and "polyannas". This week its the meat eaters and
violence.

But the liberated find nothing to accept and nothing
to reject. The liberated live their lives in perfect
peace and freedom. They need not "understand". And
they need not crusade against one aspect the LIFE that
they can't "compute".

> Yes there was a battle many years ago and
> the lesson was
> that there was no time and that everything is karma
> or
> Krishna/Sakti. That the actions had to be performed
> but not be
> attached to them. So surrender to the Lord. There
> are different
> types of revelation in India, Vedas, Puranas,
> Samhitas etc etc.
> Just try and stick with what one Mukta said---Ramana
> don't eat
> meat..........ONS..Tony.
>
>

Dear Tony,
I place no man above myself for that is bondage. But
I listen to what men say, and I practice what seems
efficacious.

Beyond that I trust the true guru that is within and
without and everywhere at once.

Love,

michael

--- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Michael Bowes > >
> >
>
> Dear Tony,
> I place no man above myself for that is bondage. But
> I listen to what men say, and I practice what seems
> efficacious.
>
> Beyond that I trust the true guru that is within and
> without and everywhere at once.
>
> Love,
>
> michael

Namaste,

I suggest listen harder, you might find the guru is actually your
own mind talking to you. For unless you have purified your Buddhi to
some extent then what you hear may not be enlightened enough and
just a replaying of your own ideas..........ONS..Tony